Which male idols do you think are gay?

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22 minutes ago, Melany said:

Are you serious? do people not go with their gf and friends on a trip? Like my brother go everytime travelling with his friend and her bf. 

They're saying that using that as proof that they dated is the same as saying he is dating any of the other people he was with, not that people don't go on vacation with their significant others.

Obviously none of us know if they dated or not, but we don't really have any proof that they did. Them hanging out is only a big deal because she is a woman, and it's scandalous for a male idol to hang out with an "alternative" looking woman like her. And as for the back hug, a reporter said the whole CCTV footage showed him hugging  everyone there, but obviously the people that leaked those photos wanted to create drama so they took a pic of the most scandalous moment.

And regardless, JK and Mijoo could've dated, or they could be dating still, but that doesn't erase his attraction towards men if he has some? He could be bi, and I'm leaning more towards bi when it comes to him anyway. Using rumors of a 15 year old JK having a girlfriend doesn't disprove anything either.

In my opinion, he is very obviously attracted to men (such as Hobi and Namjoon). I don't understand using his "reactions" to women performing as proof? That never achieves anything. And you could use him not reacting to that iconic Hwasa moment as proof that is not interested in women, so it works both ways.

I think a better proof of his attraction to (and possible relationship with) men is what rumored sasaeng and confirmed scammer headlined said about him:

I'm pretty sure she is a sasaeng since she was apparently hanging out with a Tae sasaeng, so if true she knows more about JK than all of us together. He needs to find "a proper girl" to get over his "mental sickness". I don't know, sounds pretty homophobic to me. And the original OP that translated this said that she also used derogatory language generally used towards women or gay men.

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3 minutes ago, Melany said:

then why she talked about him having to "hold it" i think he is single and she was just angry at him, korean use " mental ilness" a lot when they want insult someone. She meant that maybe he will be less annoying if he get a gf. like when you get angry at someone and say " you are annoying because you are single, maybe you should date". 

Seems pretty gay coded to me, but agree to disagree 

 

4 minutes ago, Melany said:

fanservice just like vkook and jikook

Everything could be fanservice. Him saying he likes apples could be fanservice for the fans that like apples. We can only use the information that they're willing to show us, unless you straight up want to make shit up.
Namjoon saying that the first thing JK ever said to him was "woah thighs" is hardly fanservice. The same way Yoongi told Tae to stop flirting with the photographer isn't really fanservice, it's just friends teasing each other. I never said "namkook real" or "hopekook real", I'm saying he has shown attraction towards them.

 

8 minutes ago, Melany said:

He turned his head to watch it on a bigger screen. Also him reacting like that show that he was afraid to show reaction, if he was gay he would just watch it with no reaction. he would not turn his head

I never said he didn't look at her, I said he didn't react to her. Obviously they're schooled to not react all that much, that's exactly my point. You can't use their reactions to people performing on stage as proof to show either side of the argument because after all, it's just

 

10 minutes ago, Melany said:

fanservice just like vkook and jikook

 

9 minutes ago, Sugasweet said:

Don't bother, everytime Jungkook is discussed, these kind of users pop up to claim that JK cannot be anything but straight, and they will keep repeating the same arguments over and over ("b-but he's dated a girl when he was 14. Bisexuality and gay people dating women is only a concept when I allow it") until they slowly wear you down lol

Yeah I've noticed, I've been lurking on here for some time. I don't understand why they are so stubborn when it's a thread about speculating about people we'll never meet. It's a thread about which idols we think are LGBT, not about rehashing the same two arguments of "it's just fanservice when it's towards men" and "it can't be fanservice when it's towards women" to every single person that wants to discuss the topic at hand. Unless it's some misguided "but my oppa couldn't possibly be gay", I suggest you take into consideration that this thread is about people's opinions, us saying he could be gay or bi doesn't mean he'll magically become those things if he isn't, and he sure as hell won't become straight just because you repeatedly say he is if that's not his real sexuality.

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52 minutes ago, Josaline said:

The video does not work. About Headliner, she's a sasaeng as you said, and she probably knew Jungkook's relationship with Rennis long before we did. According to another sasaeng leaking, the relationship between the two actually started in early 2019, but we found out in August. Looking at Rennis, she's a pretty marginal woman for many Koreans, and I'm not surprised Headliner wanting Jungkook to "find a proper girl". 

Sorry, it worked until just a little while ago. It's just BTS' reaction to Hwasa at the 2019 Golden Disk Awards. I didn't use it to prove anything, so it's not entirely relevant. I used it to prove that you can have a host of different reactions to attractive women performing but it doesn't mean anything. 

Maybe you're reading "sasaeng" twitter accounts, I don't know and I wouldn't trust them because they're just international fans looking to make money off of desperate stalker fans (and also because why on earth would you support a sasaeng), but the only "proof" is a woman in the background of BTS' Summer Package who has hair similar to Rennis', except, not the Rennis of early 2019. So it really doesn't prove anything. The translated conversation between headliner and someone else (not the kkt) is from earlier than that I think, but the tweet has been deleted so I can't check. Now her original instagram account is gone, but I'm pretty sure she wasn't even in Korea in early 2019.

And he still could be bi or even gay even if they're secretly married, him having/having had a girlfriend doesn't mean he's straight.

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2 hours ago, Josaline said:

Rennis was in Australia in 2018 but returned in early 2019. It is certain that they met before May because the first rumors began to appear on sasaeng accounts this time around. Headliner is actually known among fandoms as someone who can't stand her idol dating someone and doesn't hesitate to create a scandal. So I linked her words to Rennis, but I don't remember when happened. It was Jimin fansite who leaked the Headliner's texts, and she did it right on Jungkook's birthday. So the talks must have happened before September.

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Headliner was previously Infinite Myungsoo's fansite. If I remember correctly Myungsoo had his dating “scandal” in 2013, Headliner announced a period of rest and she was the one who sparked the rumors first but then she came back after not much time as if nothing happened. Her fan site for him was called " lkimfannet " back then didn’t close off till June 2016. Around the time Headliner closed off, 6 fan sites of Infinite closed too. Two Myungsoo fansites closed down but he was not the only one, Sunggyu had 3 fansites closed down around the same time and everyone else had one closed down too. But anyway, it’s not wonder she left because she wasn’t liked at all in the fandom and people were accusing her of scamming people. The rumor by that time was that she left because the opened a new fansite for another idol, which we all know it’s indeed truth. She announced she was closing Myungsoo’s fansite on June 6 and then the Headliner twitter account was created on June. Inspirits used to call her Rena.

 

 

The kakao talks are from his birthday, the other photo is from another situation I believe. But regardless, I don't give credibility to rumor and prediction accounts anyway. I shouldn't have brought up headliner, I just mentioned her because of how homophobic it sounds. 

 

2 hours ago, Melany said:

You are quit hypocritical since if i would have just said he is straight, you would ask "okay show arguments then" you can't say he is straight without explaining why. But now that i did , im apparently derailing the thread because i don't fit with your jungkook is gay, lgbt, sjw genderfluid she/them/they theory. 

 

Where is this coming from? Jungkook did actually say that he thinks clothes should be worn regardless of the gender they're targeted towards. Are you denying that he said that? This thread has always (or at least lately) had people posting things about people being open minded, unless you want to say that isn't an open minded statement for an idol to make? Nobody here is arguing that he's genderfluid because he wore a velvet shirt sold to women and I don't even think people here are arguing that he's gay because he said he wants to wear it.

What doesn't fit your narrative of edgy fuckboy Jungkook is him saying he wants to paint his nails, or douse himself in Victoria Secret's perfume, which, as far as I'm aware, is the narrative of reality.  

I don't know why you proport this fanon narrative of muscle pig JK that only has eyes for IU and call him edgy and try-hard for expressing himself however he wants. He's not even an eboy, that's just what some twitter stans that like that aesthetic say he is. He just likes the color black, he literally doesn't fit any of the eboy characteristics. And lately he hasn't even been dressing like that at all. Even if he were an eboy why is that edgy? There are grown ass adults who like wearing lolita costumes, what's wrong with that? You don't grow out of your sense of identity just because you hit a certain age.

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3 hours ago, Lollitta said:

i'm with you on this lol

Can we talk more about the boyz instead of jungkook? They have some members that are very sus and they are so loud about their support to our community.
And Kevin, Younghoon, Jacob and Chanhee are the ones that are not straight imo.
 

I don't know if it's extreme fanservice or like at least half of them are LGBT. I find them very sus but I need to dive deeper into some content. I do love how supportive they've been so far.

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35 minutes ago, Melany said:

never said that, it's you who is actually assuming straight= fuckboy . "who only have eyes for IU" also never said that you should reread my post before quoting me. I didn't even use IU as argument of him being straight, i said i didn't think he liked her in a romantic way. He just likes her music like troye music or ariana. I used her as an example after a person said him liking Justin bieber is not straight. 

Sorry, I wasn't saying you said that, I was saying what you're saying fits into the narrative of him being a straight fuckboy (who in this case happens to like IU)

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2 hours ago, lighterxx said:

So, ugh completely unrelated to fight going atm, but I saw Jun's best friend's letters again after a very long time, I think they were never shared here. 

They feel... Very much like forgotten love letters from best friend to Jun, they are just beautiful and I always cry whenever I read them, I thought you guys would be able to comment on it better than me. 

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Full thread;

 

 

Maybe I am wrong to comment on feelings of a friend, but I honestly thought they had some type of relationship back in day, I still feel like it, maybe someone here can comment better than me. Btw support Junhui pls thx

Oh this is so sweet He sounds majorly in love with Jun, can't blame him tho.

Jun gives me gay vibes, but it's not based on anything more than my intuition and his flirtiness. He can be a bit more reserved on camera as opposed to his members, but when he joins in on the conversations and the shenanigans he gives me baby gay energy, somehow even a couple years in as we are now.

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1 hour ago, lighterxx said:

Tbh he is one of the members you really really need to observe lol, just like how Seungkwan is always noticeable even if he does nothing, Jun is kind of talented at blending in while also being funny af

To my view, he is very gay as well, not as feminine behaviours etc don't get me wrong, but its just his vibe, his talking style, his everything. Like you said tbh. Rather than being reserved on camera, he got alot of comments on his accent, so he is not as confident as to speak and sing in Korean, even now. Still you will always see him doing some weird thing behind the scenes lol

Also yes bf... I hope he opened up? Tho it must be hard to do so in China with expectation of continuing the family line. Still, his letters truly feel like love letters, he described Jun so vividly, not gonna lie I think I'm bit of in love with him too now o.o

Yeah I love when the members tease him about being more jokey and lively before they started filming. If we could see that Jun I'm sure we'd see his more chaotic side.

Honestly the letter makes me feel some sort of way, like I'm seeing Jun in a different light

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1 hour ago, Bushi said:

Looking back at my original post I did quote Melany, but not in a way to take issue with the argument of who is gay or not, but because Dispatch was referenced and I wanted to frame my thoughts about Rennis against it. 

The rest of that post was a general expansion of my thoughts on the wider issues arising from public perceptions of idols and Jungkook's choice of friends. The fact Melany didn't take issue with that post reinforces my point that there was nothing in it to challenge the OP at that time as it never elicited a response and was not intended to anyway. It was general and neutral and tbh I can't remember who I quoted. But the point about Dispatch was, and is, of interest to me because I find them sneaky, like all entertainment outlets. 

It doesn't negate that Melany is still a very disruptive person who hates the spirit of this thread, is totally taking advantage of it and doesn't know when to stop battering it with cyclical arguments about heterosexuality. Which I maintain you can go to any thread and pore over outside this one. 

We know you think Jungkook is straight. But you're on a Gay thread, so unless you want to spend a lifetime of policing it every time Jungkook is mentioned, understand where you've landed. 

It's probably best not to reply to someone who obviously isn't interested in actually hearing what you're saying and instead repeats the same 2-3 things for almost 4 pages. Like you said, you can discuss those 2-3 things anywhere else but they obviously aren't relevant in a thread where we discuss idols being potentially LGBT, not potentially straight, which is practically every other thread besides this one.

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54 minutes ago, liya18 said:

Can somebody tell me why people make a big deal for jungkook to wear a shirt with colorful butterflies.?

 

Sounds like a typical twitter shipper.

 

45 minutes ago, raspberry84 said:

1. Heterosexual is a sexuality, not a type of relationship. Describing every relationship between opposite sex partners as a "heterosexual relationships" is dated and encourages bierasure. 

2. The world can also be sexist, racist & homophobic. It doesn't mean we excuse those things and participate in them.

3. It's not at all recent, especially depending on where you live in the world. And it doesn't need to involve sex, which was your original argument.

4. Wow this transphobia ain't a cute look. (To clarify: you are stating a trans man and cis man dating is a heterosexual relationship because...vagina?)

5. Heterosexual means you are only attracted to the opposite sex. A bisexual man can have sex with a women, it doesn't make him heterosexual. Again, see biphobic/bi-erasure.

If you actually are part of the LGBT community you really need to educate yourself because you are saying some really bigoted things here.

Edit: Honestly I was gonna let this go but I feel like this has really crossed a line involving with their statements about bisexuals, pansexuals and trans men. Biphobia and transphobia shouldn't have a place in this thread.

Everything they said is so heteronormative and bigoted, I don't understand how someone can claim to be a part of the LGBT community and hold these beliefs. Why even come to a thread discussing gay idols if you don't have respect towards the community.

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10 hours ago, Inherited Light said:

Is Jaehyun from nct gay? 

He's done things that have made me raise an eyebrow, like being so casual when Doyoung tells him to stop flirting with his brother. I can't find a clip but you can see it here

It's one of the NCT 127 Limitless Room episodes on vlive.

Unless he drops his perfect prince persona I don't think we'll see that many things that indicate an attraction towards men.

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1 hour ago, Tixy said:

Sure, but some idols are significantly more genuine than others, while some are blatantly playing a company created character. Mingyu, for example, 100% is just pretending that he's like a feminine housewife, and the purpose there is to create a gap between his traditional masculine appearance and how he supposedly acts which is meant to be cute (see: gap moe).

I mean Mingyu is definitely playing it up, just like every idol ever, but 100% just pretending? If that's true he should win some award for how consistently he stays in character. I find it hard to believe that that isn't his real personality, just amped up for the cameras. He obviously enjoys cooking for example if you look at videos where they cook, he is always careful and and thoughtful about it, and also with the cleanliness aspect of the "housewife".

1 hour ago, Tixy said:

 I think that, coupled with Wonwoo shipping sometimes, has led a lot of people to believe that Mingyu is gay. 

People take the Meanie stuff way too seriously I think, either believing that they are in love or that they absolutely hate each other because they got more awkward together after they debuted and people started shipping them together.

So if you believe the former, they're obviously gay but if you believe the latter they couldn't possibly be gay. They could not be interested in each other but still be interested in other men.

1 hour ago, Tixy said:

Did have a good chuckle when it was outed that Kyla said that Wonwoo had been dating the same girl for years since predebut lol.

Also, was this confirmed? Not confirmed that he is dating but confirmed that Kyla actually said that?  I didn't really follow that drama all that closely, it got confusing what was real and what was not. 

1 hour ago, liberalitea said:

I don't think Wonwoo is straight (he is polarising for most though) but I'd love to hear everyone else's opinions! For me, really only him and Joshua are confusing

If Wonwoo is straight then I will retire any gaydar I ever claimed to have. I find it hard to believe that Wonwoo isn't attracted to men to some capacity at least.

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4 minutes ago, plutto said:

Can we f*cking ban the transphobes please

yes pls

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21 minutes ago, Tixy said:

Alexa, play Jeonghan dragging Mingyu by saying "He doesn't cook and clean at all, it's all just an image." I mean, if I was in front of cameras cleaning, I'd look like I was having the time of my life too. I wouldn't exactly like to see people call me nasty cause I looked like I hated cleaning lol, and if I was media trained for years and acting like a housewife was part of my image, I'd do what's being demanded of me as it is my job. I'm not saying he's being completely fake all the time, a lot of the time he's just being an ordinary person, but stuff like that live where he randomly shows up and starts doing members' hair (he literally did nothing too, just fiddled aimlessly with it for a while lmao king) is image maintenance.

I mean, Wonwoo also said that it's not that Mingyu is a particularly good cook, it's just that he's the only member that does cook, if we take everyone at their word. And Jeonghan loves to stir shit up (which also, shockingly, is probably mostly a persona). Who knows if what he says is true or he's just teasing his members.

And I don't see how this adds to him being gay vs. straight, I think it's just to build up his perfect boyfriend status. I've never seen someone say he's gay because he doesn't like living in your stereotypical filthy bachelor pad, but I've seen many people say that that makes him boyfriend material, and they're mostly fangirls.

21 minutes ago, Tixy said:

It was confirmed that Kyla shared with multiple people that Woozi and Pinky dated very briefly predebut, they had evidence for that. Other stuff they said they didn't have receipts for cause according to them, Kyla would randomly drop the info during actual audio calls, but I consider them reputable regardless, up to you if you feel the same or not. Other stuff about who was mean to her/bullying her I don't have an opinion on since that's personal and they didn't go into details about that, but I'm pretty sure that Kyla would know whom her fellow members (and labelmates to some degree) dated.

Oh I see, thank you. But people started saying that Kyla said all sorts of things and it all got lost in the deliberate trolling and misinformation. I don't think someone who would volunteer this kind of potentially career ending information is someone to be trusted. There's no real reason to believe it, even if it is confirmed that she said it, but obviously that's up to you to decide. If it is true that Wonwoo has been dating the same girl for 5+ years since he was a teenager, then that's very sweet and I am happy for him.

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10 hours ago, Taecoholic said:

This is interesting...

Stupid expectation when the shipping community is so big, but also double stupid because Bighit queerbaits them so much, especially in the BU.

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33 minutes ago, reiichi said:

Not a stupid expectation, they just don't want the platform to be overtaken by shippers, and if they didn't forbid it that's what would have happened.

Also I suppose that moderation will be somewhat automated and largely based on user reports ; if they allowed shipping content, there would have been mass reporting anyway because of ship wars. So this is a way of keeping typical twitter drama off the game.

It's stupid to expect that people won't make stories about their favorite ships when they foster that by capitalizing on the most popular ship at the time in every VCR, music video and even who they pair up for vlives. It's not stupid to want them to not be shipped, but it's stupid to expect that.

 

13 minutes ago, Josaline said:

lol

 

Hahahahahahahahh there's no way this is in the actual BU stories. This is amazing.

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18 minutes ago, reiichi said:

They don't expect fans to stop making stories about their ships, they just want to stop people from making them public through their platform, which is quite different.

 

Again, I wasn't talking about what is reasonable for them to want, I was talking about what is reasonable to expect.

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1 hour ago, reiichi said:

My point is that they expect that shippers would want to make that game their playground, but they don't want it to happen, so they wrote that rule down.

I understand, and I agree. I just think it's next to impossible to enforce it 

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1 hour ago, MicrowavedTeaforYourSoul said:

Uhm, did you guys hear about DY and TY bought couple rings together. DY even want TY to talk about it on VLIVE for everyone to know

 

This?

The way Taeyong rips his hand away from Doyoung ahahahahahah

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13 hours ago, lighterxx said:

These are old but I can't remember whether I shared them here or not, in any case I will put them under spoiler!!

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Last one is Joshua in case you can't tell!!

 

 

Hoshi is such a sweetheart, I love him so much

But what is this "inside joke" with Joshua?

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1 hour ago, lighterxx said:

We have couple of inside jokes for him, I assume it's one about him being incredibly gay (there is even saying Joshua is not gay, he is Californian) , so OP was surprised he acknowledged the flag and cheered for it when it can drive his fans even more crazy o.o

I saw couple of old tweets about it too, 

This whole thread confirms they were indeed doing those reactions to pride flag ^^^

 

Oh I see, thank you ^^ I didn't connect it to that meme

35 minutes ago, LostChild said:

I don't question him being closer with Chenle than with other members at all. It's obvious they care a lot about each other. I just don't think their relationship is more than platonic. All of the things they do together are things i do with my close friends. 

Yeah I agree with you that that Kun is closer to Chenle, but it really does seem like a big/little brother dynamic. I doubt there's anything more than that going on, especially given their age gap. He can be gay and not be in a relationship, I don't think there's many receipts here to be found.

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5 hours ago, Chika Chika said:

Things is that most of these Sasaeng info mostly contradict each other or are just something that is very obvious like "Stray Kids are getting overworked" anyone who follows stray kids will know they are getting overworked. "NCT have crushes and some of them are dating" It's obvious that some of them might be dating or atleast trying to date, nothing new. Out of the 10000 things that these infos give us only one comes true.

Also as I have said multiple times it is almost impossible to find out if a kpop idol is gay or not like Soobin and Daehwi are close everyone sees them as being friends maybe they hang out a lot and the sasaengs that follow them too must be seeing them hanging out but maybe they are in a serious relationship and only both of them and their members know.

100%. If I wanted to I could also make a twitter account or a quora account and talk shit about whatever I want. If they are actually sasaengs they won't just give away information, they stalk idols so that the feel closer to them, they know things that nobody else knows about them. 99% of it is complete bullshit, 0.9999% is true but only because it happened by coincidence or it was easy to predict (like stray kids being overworked). 

To use your example of Soobin and Daehwi, their stalkers can only know that they are together, as in physical proximity. Unless they make out in the middle of the street, they won't find out what happens behind closed doors. They could be just hanging out, they could be fighting or they could be in a relationship and we'd never know unless they're not being careful. Same goes for male/female idol relationships. It's probably hard for idols to have friends of the opposite sex because if people see them together they immediately think they're dating.

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2 hours ago, BYULTENHWALL said:

 feel like stans forget the community is still a pretty big minority. Especially in more conservative communities, where people dont have more space to explore themselves. 

Even if you don't "explore yourself" you're still whatever sexuality you are. You can be gay even if you've never been with someone of the same sex, and you can be bi even if you've only been with one sex. People on here talk about whether they think an idol is closeted or questioning all the time.

And as for the fact that it's a minority, until the world is completely accepting of non cishet people we won't know what the true percentage is. That being said, there's a lot of idols. There's over 500 active groups right now, even with it being a small percentage, that's still a lot of people.

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5 hours ago, BYULTENHWALL said:

You completely missed my point. I'm not talking about being with the same sex or whatever but, there are alot of people going through life thinking theyre 100% straight but if something different happened in their life, lets say meet that one person that made them realise otherwise or they werent confined in heteronormativity and dismiss an attraction to "boy crush" or "i want to be like him", then they wouldnt be straight. Being closeted means you know youre gay, questioning means you think you might be gay, but internal homophobia and heteronormativity are far more promininent in conservative countries that people often dismiss these feelings. The fact that 90 year olds can discover at their old age that they are attracted to the same sex, what about people that die before that and live their life thinking they were 100% straight.

Sexuality is a born trait, but becaue of how far heteronormativity is ingrained in our society, we are often forced to "realise" it, go through a bunch of self discovery, questioning, being in the closet and then coming out. Most of us thought we were straight at first until we discovered otherwise. Some people find out earlier in their life, some people find out later. 

There are over 500 groups in the industry, so whats the likelyhood of there being 1 or more lgbt person in everygroup. So i dont get why thinking theres no lgbt person in some groups is a problem

I think you missed my point, not the other way around. What I was saying is that it wouldn't matter if the idols themselves "realize" they're gay, this topic discusses people that we simply think are lgbt, regardless of whether they realize it or not, are comfortable with it or not, or are out in their private life or not. I know even in my personal life there are people that have been "sus" to me and when they later came out and we discussed it they said they hadn't realized it at that point - so to me, from an outside perspective, it was more obvious than it was to them.

You can be as internally homophobic as you want, but it wouldn't change the fact that you're gay.

As for your last point, obviously there are groups with only straight members, but bringing up statistics (or rather how rare it is to be lgbt) isn't going to make your opinion seem any more credible. Because 1) like I already mentioned we don't have proper statistics as of right now on the subject and 2) statistics don't work like that anyway, you can't just apply them to any situation regardless of the variables. 

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To be honest I was always convinced Taehyung was gay, not just attracted to men, but gay, until he played a demo of a song he wrote where he's singing about a girl.

If it were a BTS song I wouldn't really pay any attention to it, but given that it's something he presumably wrote himself it seems like he'd only write about things he wants. This is the same man that wanted to record a love song with Jimin, after all.

So I guess I have to concede that he probably is interested in women after all.

Oh and I don't see myself seeing JK as straight though, because I've seen it mentioned these past few days a couple of times.