Which male idols do you think are gay?

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I have to say, really disappointed in heechul. I always thought he was a nice gay man, but this whole news changes perspective. The whole creating his gay rumors so girls will be comfortable with him is bad but his attraction to young girls, sohee when she was 16 and he was 26 and now momo who hes known since she was 16 and has been talking about how he likes her since when she was 18/19. Its all just weird. Shes of age sure, but its creepy and grooming. Also the power imbalance is wrong

Male idols I'm confident is gay

Jokwon

Sehun

Key

Ten

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7 minutes ago, Bushi said:

 

Hmm...He's no Jimin, but I persoanlly think he has quite a noble history of showing interest in males. Army tend to put it down to him being a starry-eyed youngster for professional photographers, artists, elders, cameramen, over the years. He may be straight (and ergo a convincing actor), but as to him being a 'womaniser', I have seen all manner of rumour about Taehyung, including him spending time hanging out at clinics (also Jk gets this one, coincidentally the two really popular maknaes), bedhopping, dating every female idol out there, dating civilian females, changing girlfriends every five minutes, and being a criminal. Oh and having an American girlfriend, and a boyfriend. How does he find time to do any work I wonder? But then he kind of automatically elicits fandom cray, sexual frustrations and jealousies simply by existing. 

Mind you this is the same fandom that does backflips to explain away Jimin in Malta (TM), two lots of bi-coloured flags in MVs (whilst also telling the world how proud of RM's 148 IQ and street smarts they are), Jungkook's Golden Closet with a treasured rainbow light, and Yoongi deadpan saying 'Andy' when asked, by Andy, who his celebrity crush is. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Tae i think is bi. But he seems really traditional and I feel he will marry a woman regardless cause of society and family. I have a theory he was in love with a guy before but homophobia came in the way. It could have been what inspired stigma. Tae has shown attraction to women, theres a video where hes in a workout show and he kept staring at the woman's butt and sneaking glances at her shape. Bts do too much fanservice, the whole jikook, taekook is a mess. If you noticed bh focuses on a certain ship depending on the audience and where they are at. I never see their stage antics as anything but pure fanservice. I think tae and yoongi are the only queer members.

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40 minutes ago, Gerimolda said:

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 Never heard of beards? People in this thread used to laugh at We Got Married calling it We Got a Beard. Think of Heechul X Momo as some advanced WGM. Even better, they will probably be zero interactions till they break up at some point this year. Many people didn't believe when Heechul gave public statements denying his homosexuality, why is this any different when we have zero proof of their relationship except their agencies' words? Fans don't believe kpop agencies' shit regarding so many topics except for this one. Agencies statement often contain lies, so in critic cases like this, I'll have to hear it from their own mouths. Also, it really shows when you people insist so much on him being a predator, a groomer, a Japanese fetishist and what not because 1. You believe the official version as if kpop companies never lie or 2. you are more comfortable with him being a predator than with him being gay. Sohee, Momo, Hani, etc always have seemed to me the female friends that a gay man has, and he adores and fanboys over them. Many people who are interested on shitting on him bc of that really want to see the last Suju member that was considered non-problematic fall. I'm can already see a Momo section in Heechul's part in the next Twitter thread titled "Suju members are problematic and toxic af" or something like that.

Famous gay people have gotten beards since ever. Common gay people get beards and lie since always. I don't know why it's such a difficult concept to understand. As many lgtb ppl in hostile environments, he's probably scared.

And I don't know why users react badly when I say that they're going to break up eventually. No matter if I believe in the revealed idol couples against their will or not, they're going to announce their break up sooner or later. Because it's always the same story, and the same reason for the break up. "schedule problems". 

 

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Umm except this is obviously not a beard. Heechul has liked momo since, people have exposed heechul for dating women alot, he was seen with her in japan in 2017. The news first broke last year but agencies denied, came back again but it took them several hours to confirm. There have been lots of dating rumors where pictures werent exposed. Its delusional to see this as a beard especially when it's a twice member and a woman much younger than him. This doesnt seem like a beard situation at all.

This is such a reach and lowkey delusional, I liked him, I thought he was gay. He did exhibit predatory behaviours. Why would I feel uncomfortable calling someone gay when I'm gay, like gay idols and want gay representation

 

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3 hours ago, persuasions said:

I thought some more about Heechul and Momo's relationship, and is the hate and attention worth it for anyone involved?!

He had to say he is sorry on yt channel and Momo wrote a long apology letter too. Plus at least 2 Twice members Jihyo and Mina have mental health issues to the point they can hardly perform, Jihyo even wrote a letter about it. So Twice need not to be brought to public's attention with another dating scandal right now while the only one that is in a known relationship is doing that badly! Like make it make sense to me.

Why did they do it now if it is not true and if they needed to cover something else, how does this controversial news help when no one truly cared for Heechul or Momo being gay any more than before. Anyway if someone outs them as gay with proofs, this news does not help at all, quite the contrary. If there is another hetero couple, why not make that couple public? In the end, if they needed beards right now and to give news agencies some clicks, why not make another story with another person closer in age that brings less hate to both of them?

All I know is Twice need a real break and people to leave them alone and this dating scandal does not help any or at all. It does not make a lot of sense unless it is true and they chose to come up front with it before Dispatch after they denied it in August.

At this point, it is more logical for them to be in a longer term relationship and to be forced to make it public than for them covering up something else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NOW, can we leave this subject once and for all? Thanks

 

 

 

I agree. That's why im 100% certain it's not a beard. Not much ppl thought momo was gay apart from ifans who thought she was. Heechul has had gay rumors but he and his friends debunked it. They're getting so much hate especially momo and her family, a "beard" is not worth all this

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18 hours ago, persuasions said:

  

 

I am the one that mentioned the delulu shippers in the comments that dream of jk. My mistake. The delulu shippers were just for lols, I was trying to point out Jimin checking out a male and saying it is a male. I cannot bother to edit videos myself so if I find one where he checks a male out and acts flirty with him while not on stage to where most of all are supposed to do blatant fanservice/queer baiting, I am going to share it.

Anyway Jimin with a bi tattoo on their new photo

 

That's an intersex symbol

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Heechul and momo have been dating for a while since fans spotted them in japan together. It makes no sense for it to be a beard, heechul has never cared for the gay rumors, its never affected him or his career. Alot of his friends have talked about him dating women, snsd even said he made up the gay rumor himself so he can date lots women and he said hes a man with gay rumors to defend himself. Hes talked about the female idols he had crushes on and hes had a crush on momo since. If sm wanted to get him a beard they would get one from sm since they support intercompany dating more, they wouldn't get a beard from the biggest gg too. I dont have any reason or proof yet to believe they're not dating.

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7 minutes ago, persuasions said:

Yes BTS are personally involved in BTS connect, they even paid for it according to a NAVER article below. BH itself seem as bad and fishy as they come when it comes to protecting their artists image. For instance they stop all police investigations against members personal haters that were started by fansites (while JYP have a history of working together), but they react in less than 24 hours when it directly affects their public image lmao.

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With the way the boys seem disinterested in that interview with the artists and them having no idea what's going on with their single, it's obvious the project is bhs idea, they're just taking the money out of bts' paycheck. Bts dont have full creative control like armys thought. 

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3 hours ago, persuasions said:

BTS connect was theirs so do not get your point at all. They seem disinterested lmao, you did not watch anything at all. Most do not even speak or understand English but good for you that you do face analysis.

RM, JHope and Jk even have credits for BS lyrics. Of course they do not have time for everything BH produces in their name because they do not even have time to breath with all the shootings and recordings. With their scary full schedule (they even said they are supposed to be in their dancing studio until 8pm) I am happy if they sleep well enough. Stop talking about BTS anyway, it is not important for this thread atm.

If you are a BTS anti continue to neg my BTS posts but stop talking about them.

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I'm guessing you didnt see the credit of black swan, only rm is credited with pdogg and 3 western producers. I'm a bts fan, been one since 2013, and it's pretty much been aired out the boys dont have creative control of their music. Bh tells them what to do and gives them the concept, and their personas. I watch all their content, watched their interviews.

 

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3 hours ago, Bushi said:

I don't think they were 'disinterested' at all but politely listening. And probably a bit nervous because it was a new concept for them. They're also largely dealing with English-speakers so would have been possibly waiting for translations. Although of course a few can follow spoken English pretty well now. 

Even so, there's a time delay on responses being fed back and forth through earpieces, hence what seem like drawn-out silences. When we see the artists stop talking and wait for an answer, BTS are still catching up with the back end of what he or she is saying + also a brief translation for some members. 

I don't think Jimin, Jin and Yoongi are that bothered about art and artists. But Namjoon, J-hope, Tae and possibly Jungkook are. This very much screams Namjoon and Hobi's baby to me. But they've all chipped in. 

What I absolutely loved about the Catharsis artist was that someone (I think it was Namjoon) just had to flatter the man about his facial fuzz at the end.  I'm like.... all you got out of this is that you like his beard. Peak Namjoon.

 

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Thanks for replying so nicely even if you disagree with me I get your point. I just dont feel or see that they're the ones controlling the project. The interview felt scripted too and they didnt know about the contemporary art dancers they're supposed to be sponsoring. Its not a big deal, it's just kpop and that's how it's always been. Namjoon saying their practice room is like a prison was sad to me ☹. Anyways enough of this discussion we're in the wrong thread

 

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RM also gave a prize to JK for writing the lyrics for himself in 2019 and other 3 solo songs.

 

 

 

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Chorus means backing vocals. This is a common mistake with kpop fans. Trust me lots of fans mix it up. I've seen fans fight journalists cause they think their faves were discredited even though chorus is just vocals.

 

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2 hours ago, raspberry84 said:

At the end of the day, no idol has full control over their image and historically people have gone along with fake relationships because it benefited the product they were trying to sell. At this point I'm waiting to see how Heechul and Momo play out in the longterm before I pass any major judgement. I'm assuming it's real at this point but that opinion isn't cemented.

As far as BTS goes, I think the narrative that they're in complete artistic control was a smart move on BH's point because the fans have fully embraced it. Fans give them credit for everything connected to their comeback despite their being entire teams who put these things together. You don't need to be an anti to acknowledge that sometimes BTS is given credit for things they didn't work on at all (the HYYH era, for example) and that BTS Connect is definitely a major product that was brainstorm, created and put on by an entire team (which BTS is working with but not in control of as we saw with Black Swan).

People are quick to forget that Taehyung was denied his Christmas song because it was romantic and involved two men singing together. The only way they'd approve that song is if he sang it with a female (which shows they have to get approval for their own songs).

There is also Jin and BH stating that all of BTS wants to enlist in the military when Yoongi in the past literally referred to it as a death sentence and went on to wish he had something wrong with him so he wouldn't have to.

I'm honestly gonna be curious to listen to Yoongi's mixtape because I really don't think he's gonna get the same freedom as his original one and honestly it's kinda made me wonder if that's why it hasn't been released yet (Namjoon alluded to Yoongi's being finished in the fall of 2018 and that's why he released Mono when he did but it's been well over a year now).

Edit: The point of bringing up the control of BTS's image is relevant here because I've often heard the argument that if someone in BTS wanted to come out, they would be able to. Which is definitely far from the truth. I also think the Taehyung example shows how this does apply to anything that is viewed as being too "queer"

The christmas song thing pissed me off so much. I may be the outliner of bts fan that despises bh but among the lots of things I hate them for, this one has to be the cherry on top. Bh pushes a woke image on bts, they're supposed to support lgbt but the company is clearly homophobic. I feel bad for tae and I think hes the one that is unhappy about their position the most. Tae is the one I'm sure is lgbt, I personally think hes bi but hin being gay is a huge option too. Stigma still has me thinking a lot. 

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Ten is gay and it's more than just him being flamboyant

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Theres been 2 issues that made me kinda yikes

This

And this

 

 

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25 minutes ago, seashells said:

This has already been discussed. Lucas and Jung woo were impersonating each other. You can literally hear Jungwoo. He's also doing a lot of flexing while impersonating Lucas. Joe is it offensive if that's how someone is.

The second clip I'm pretty sure he's laughing at something that's happened or was said and happens to be looking down. 

I'm so tired of shit being taken out of context. Especially these two monents. 

If Lucas was as homophobic as people paint him to be, I doubt Jungwoo would have called him his best friend and Ten wouldn't be the hyung that he always went to for guidance pre debut. 

He's heteronormative, but I don't think he's Homophobic.

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I wasnt talking about the jungwoo one anyways just the one with him and ten and yangyang complaining about how ten sits it just kinda irked me. I dunno Lucas enough to conclude hes homophobic but he doesnt really appear gay friendly either, heteronomative as you said and a dash of toxic masculinity. I remember him saying he cant cry cause hes a man or a real man something like that and when an mc wanted to acknowledge wayvs male fans he basically shut it down saying nah we gotta focus on the girls. I mean it's all just a bit ......... 

 

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9 hours ago, flowflow said:

This whole talk about Jungkook's feminity is pointless and doesn't say anything about his sexuality. Most male idols are feminine to some extent. 

Yh I really fail to see this feminine side in jungkook people keep talking about. He grew his hair like every guy grows their hair. Like you said most Male idols tend to appear more feminine so I dont get how this is groundbreaking in anyway 

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2 hours ago, one-hoe wonho said:

probably only to convey they are woke. but i think that's another discussion. 

But they dont work with black producers

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Lauv isnt gay?? What??? 

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9 hours ago, ga_shina said:

Grabbing someone's dick in Korea is normal? Wild.

It's a thing in europe too

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3 minutes ago, sooa_t said:

what are your thoughts on taehyung's group of friends like park bo gum, park seo joon, btob sungjae and park hyung sik? just asking...

I've seen many rumors about park bo gum dating joy

Park bogum is in a homophobic cult.

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9 minutes ago, Sugasweet said:

Idk if it's true but antis have been trying to get JK involved in this issue (as usual)... Now I'm seeing a bunch of homophobe ARMY defending that their oppa would never be gay when that's not even the problem here. Time to block ! 

jk wasnt at a gay club, it was a straight club and the army that revealed it said it was a straight club, armys are being dumb and think there are only gay clubs in itaewon and spreading that he was at a gay club. He was at a straight bar with his friends around the time korea said anyone that was in itaewon at a certain period should get tested. karmys are worried he's going to get dragged for not practising social distancing. Man the way armys are actual idiots theyre like "dont spread the rumour that jk was at a club during social distancing and lets add that it was at a gay club and lets trend jks name for hours with over 1 million tweets" armys move like antis damn.

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10 minutes ago, aisatsana said:

It's actually been debunked : the footage shows it's clearly not Jungkook ! Just antis trying to drag him into the COVID 19 spreading in the LGBT community mess (I can't believe Korean society just took such a huge step behind in terms of LGBT acceptance, when they were already moving forward at an excruciatingly slow pace...)

jungkook was there, someone posted about jugkook coming out of the bar but changed the caption to laughing after he got so much hate. someone also dmed the bar asking if he was there and he was. He was at jacks bar not a gay club, jacks bar is a straight bar. this is od news as well the army that posted it posted it on the 28th of april, it came up again after the corona outbreak in itaewon. Armys trying to clear his name are the ones saying its a gay club and spreading misinformation

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14 minutes ago, Sugasweet said:

It's not a club obviously according to the picture:

 

The person who revealed it wasn't an Army either, it was  an anti(?) who went on private, that's why I don't really believe this. I cant' even see him here? I don't know if he's supposed to be in the back of something, but even if he was there and he was wearing a mask then I don't really see the problem. Anyway, this isn't verified info and k-army are cleaning his searches already

 

 

 

no it was an army also french twitter armys where talking about it 2 days ago. The anti picked it up from this person. Yh jacks bar is a straight bar not a gay club. A youtube army talked about meeting jungkook in a bar aswell around the same time and an army tweeted that their friend met jungkook at a bar. its annoying cause it was old news and karmys had cleared his search in fear of him getting dragged for not social distancing, then the anti brought it up again and armys spread misinformation that it was a gay club. Theres nothing wrong with him going to a bar, but going during corona while he is promoting stay at home will cause controversy and thats why karmys tried to clear everything. Lets just home the media doesnt pick up the gay club one.

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23 minutes ago, Sugasweet said:

Ok first can I just say that "straight bar" isn't a thing, you keep repeating that lol but you can just say a bar haha. Also about your other post, ARMYs are definitely not trying to push the narrative that it was a gay bar, quite on the contrary, I never had to block so many people in a day... Also, if he really went to a bar and got recognized by several people, there would be pics. Come on, it's the guy who got his CCTV footage leaked when he went to a random meat restaurent, if he went to a crowded bar we would know. (And as a french person, French army is known for spreading bs rumor). I don't believe this rumor at all personally, gay bar or not. I just wanted to mention that Jungkook is being dragged in this issue, which prove that it's a big deal actually in Korea and homophobia is being rampant on twitter. 

 

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It's been debunked, the photo and the video are fake

I'm just going to drop picture proof and leave it. Also armys were spreading it asking "jk was at a gay club what?" The amount of times I saw these tweets.

The caption says " bangtan jungkook is coming"

 

Just go through this account. Someone dmed the bar to confirm as well. 

https://ibb.co/Jd7t4kc

Idk why it's so hard for kpop stans to believe their idols are humans that go to bars and can be irresponsible sometimes.

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8 minutes ago, Sugasweet said:

 

I don't know why YOU want him to be in a "straight bar" so much, or whatever that is.

 

Here, see? They apparently stole that video from someone. (And why would a korean bar even answer to english DMs but not to korean's lol). The video has no credibility, it's posted by a known Jikooker who spread bs rumors, like Jikook booking a honeymoon hotel room together in Tokyo and many other weird stuff (they even pretended to be Taehyung's gf at one point lol)

 

No that person was lying lol. Please all the proof is there. That accounts name is Nadine she recently changed her username. Like the bar themselves confirmed it why is it so hard to believe. He was there with his 97 line friends apparently and its confirmed eunwoo was there too. Mazedbybts isnt the only one to post it but the only one brace enough to leave it there. It's been going on for some time now but karmys hud it well. And cleared his searches on nnaver. mazedbybts is obviously insane but it's not like it's just her account of him being there but someones if post, others that saw him there and the bar themselves confirming he was there.

She lied that the caption wasnt edited but it was 

 

 

Also what else am I going to call non gay bars?? I always call non gay bars straight bars cause it's mostly full of straight people.

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9 minutes ago, Sugasweet said:

I'm sorry but I legit don't understand 80% of what you're saying. I don't know if it's the use of punctuation or because it looks lilke we're talking of two different things. I'm not a born english speaker so maybe that's why. But I still don't understand, how is anything of what you're saying confirmed? I don't understand why you're taking those rumors as proof. There is no pics, no reliable source, and the person who spread it in the first place is a known anti who deactivated. I could have made those DMs myself if I wanted. I think if the whole 97 lines went to a bar together, we would have pictures lol. Especially considering Jungkook and Cha Eunwoo (the two idols you mentioned) are familiar faces to the gp. 

When they do go out, they probably hang out in privatized bars, that's what most idols do. I don't believe the whole 97 line would go out in public in the middle of the corona outbreak, they know it's not good for their career. 

(And you just call it a bar, "straight bar" would be a bar for straight people lol. Non-straight people go to bars too). 

Sorry i was typing really fast let me explain:

On 26th of april a man posted from jacks bar (not a gay bar btw) that jungkook was coming. He edited the caption after he got threats from armys

An army tweeted that their fried met jungkook at a bar in seou and that he was so nice.

A girl made a youtube video about bighit postponing the concert and that she met jungkook at a bar

Someone asked the bar if jungkook was there and they said yes he was there with cha eunwoo

jacks is an arcade bar where you drink and paly games

Celebrities dont always go to private bars, they probably just want to go to bars like normal people and there has been accounts of people meeting celebrities in bars without photos and videos being taken. They propabaly ask for people not to take pictures.

It wasnt spread by the anti. The bar thing came up again from the kside after news that everyone in itaewon during that time needs to get tested as wel as the female idol caught in a gay bar in itaewon. So karmys were worried and people were talking about jungkook and eunwoo being at a bar in itaewon. kArmys and kastro fans were fighting and their searches were negative on naver and ktwitter so karmys cleaned the serach. this was two days ago. Only few armys knew about this and they helped karmys clean the tags.

Its still being discussed on pann. And if you see the article on gyuri apologising , people are mentioning a bts member was also at a bar and why isnt the media talking about it

The anti found out and brought it to the international side which made it blow up again. Im guessing armys were confused and immediately linked him being in a bar to him being in a gay bar and accidently got it on his search.

The DM with the bar i would say is proof that they were there.

Idk what to call it, there are gay bars, lesbian bars so i would call it straight bar, should i call it normal bar? that just sounds wrong imo. I know gay people go to these bars but its mostly straight people there i guess. Maybe general bar would be a better name??

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1 hour ago, Sugasweet said:

Okay I still don't get why you're so sure that those rumors are true but you seem to have made more research that I did lol. The gay bar rumor anyway was obviously a separate issue, and it was mainly used by antis to drag Jungkook, that's all my post was about !  

Oh ok. Yh no I saw an anti saying jk gay jk gay bar etc. Who cares if he was at a bar, the only problem was the bar was in itaewon and knetzs are sensitive with the new outbreak in itaewon as well as celebrities not social distancing. So karmys are just protecting him from being dragged.