Which male idols do you think are gay?

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I'm usually just a lurker here but I had to comment on Jungwoo. The reason he pings isn't mainly for his fanservice imho. I think the most telling is how other members impersonate him. When Lucas and Jungwoo were impersonating each other, Lucas went and made it really flamboyant. I also think it's just telling that Jungwoo himself always says that he doesn't like being called handsome. That he likes being called pretty and or cute. Does that mean he's automatically gay. No. But I think it says a lot more than his actual fanservice and the impersonations from others make it clear that a lot of this is how he acts even without the cameras rolling.

 

On the topic of Lucas, I think Lucas is fascinating because it seems to me that the two people he is in fact closest to or was closest to were Ten and Jungwoo. So if nothing else, he's clearly accepting.

 

Speaking of Ten, there was a instagram video from the kid in the Dream Launch video and Yangyang calls Ten, Barbie in it.

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Not to be that person, but as someone who spends a lot of time around middle schoolers, they can be pretty terrible all around. That's not saying all middle schoolers are bullying each other, but I do think there's a sense of not only trying to belong but also of trying to stand out. This leads them to either be really rude to their peers or to their teachers. On the teacher end, I don't know how many times middle schoolers tried to make me cry. I begged my principal to let me please work a different grade and she wouldn't because she felt I was one of the few teachers that could handle them. Which was true. Every time they tried something I could easily brush it off or have a comeback. 

That being said, I don't really care much for Taeyong. I wasn't a bully so I know it's possible not to be. I also know tho that I did say some pretty shifty things in middle school that wouldn't be acceptable now. I remember throwing around the phrase "hot tr***y mess" a lot. I know I made jokes with my other gay friends about how we "caught the gay" or what our "root" was. It was a running joke after watching But I'm a Cheerleader. I'm sure if people read those comments now they would think I was insulting my friend when in reality, it wasn't like that. I know I definitely said something like "so and so is gay because her Dad was the stay at home parent."

I personally just don't really care about Taeyong and think he's highly overrated. That being said, to assume no one changes since middle school is short sighted. 

Edit: That being said, I completely understand those who are upset. 

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9 minutes ago, raspberry84 said:

I also teach middle schoolers and I think anyone who does can acknowledge that middle schoolers are mean. Just really, really mean. With that said, it doesn't mean it's not bullying because it's more common with middle schoolers than in other grades. It's still bullying and it's part of our job to teach them that and to be better.

And yea, the majority of them learn and grow out of it and become better people.

It's the fact that he's adult and still trying to defend that behavior (saying it was a harmless joke, referring to his victims as "friends", etc) that makes me think he hasn't actually learned.

Also I question whether or not they were called out on this behavior in middle school since the school legit printed his message in a book that was given to all students.

The thing is, I think that says a lot about the school he was in? I would never allow that to be printed. I'm the one who actually does the yearbook. But maybe I watch too much Korean TV but I'm under the impression that comments about weight, appearances, etc are completely acceptable. Also, violence tends to be a lot more physical. 

It is our job to teach them to be better, but at the same time, as you said, they are really really mean. 

And I'm sure you've experienced this too, but more often than not it actually is a 'friend' that is the bully. It's under current comments. It's passive aggressive. Sometimes it's straight up physical and the victim will even go back. I don't know how many times I told a student that their friend was treating them like shit for them to go right back to that friend. 

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5 minutes ago, raspberry84 said:

Normalization and justification for bullying doesn't mean it's not actually bullying. 

And I said it earlier, most bullying in middle school happens within friends group because it's easier to get away with it because the victim is scared of losing their social group if they let an adult know what is happening. Other members of the social group are also pressured into silence or participating because they don't wanna be targeted next. 

It why the argument that he was "friends" with his victims doesn't hold any actual weight because they weren't actually his friends. They were his victims who he claimed as a friend so he could continue or excuse the bullying.

I'm in no way normalizing or giving a justification. 

I'm saying that more often that not it is a friend and a lot of times the victim themselves will consider the person to be a friend. That's my personal experience in the ten years I've had to observe this. I see it more as an abuse victim going back to their abuser. Doesn't mean it's not abuse. 

And you don't know what some of them weren't legitimately his friends. You're making it sound like he was the ring leader when he very well could have been one of those friends who also joined in because someone else was the ring leader. 

I don't really care enough to continue this conversation. But nowhere was I justifying the behavior. 

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11 minutes ago, raspberry84 said:

Normalization and justification for bullying doesn't mean it's not actually bullying. 

And I said it earlier, most bullying in middle school happens within friends group because it's easier to get away with it because the victim is scared of losing their social group if they let an adult know what is happening. Other members of the social group are also pressured into silence or participating because they don't wanna be targeted next. 

It why the argument that he was "friends" with his victims doesn't hold any actual weight because they weren't actually his friends. They were his victims who he claimed as a friend so he could continue or excuse the bullying.

I'm in no way normalizing or giving a justification. 

I'm saying that more often that not it is a friend and a lot of times the victim themselves will consider the person to be a friend. That's my personal experience in the ten years I've had to observe this. I see it more as an abuse victim going back to their abuser. Doesn't mean it's not abuse. 

And you don't know what some of them weren't legitimately his friends. You're making it sound like he was the ring leader when he very well could have been one of those friends who also joined in because someone else was the ring leader. 

I don't really care enough to continue this conversation. But nowhere was I justifying the behavior. 

11 minutes ago, raspberry84 said:

Normalization and justification for bullying doesn't mean it's not actually bullying. 

And I said it earlier, most bullying in middle school happens within friends group because it's easier to get away with it because the victim is scared of losing their social group if they let an adult know what is happening. Other members of the social group are also pressured into silence or participating because they don't wanna be targeted next. 

It why the argument that he was "friends" with his victims doesn't hold any actual weight because they weren't actually his friends. They were his victims who he claimed as a friend so he could continue or excuse the bullying.

I'm in no way normalizing or giving a justification. 

I'm saying that more often that not it is a friend and a lot of times the victim themselves will consider the person to be a friend. That's my personal experience in the ten years I've had to observe this. I see it more as an abuse victim going back to their abuser. Doesn't mean it's not abuse. 

And you don't know what some of them weren't legitimately his friends. You're making it sound like he was the ring leader when he very well could have been one of those friends who also joined in because someone else was the ring leader. 

I don't really care enough to continue this conversation. But nowhere was I justifying the behavior. 

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Anyway, on to more important people such as Ten.

He recently said on his instagram that he never felt more alive after this US promo. I'm hoping that SuperM is successful mainly for him. And that if it is a market he can be in, he will get to express himself even more. 

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2 minutes ago, raspberry84 said:

This is getting off topic but you're posts came off, in my opinion, as trying to justify or downplay his actions. 

By constantly pointing out that middle schoolers are mean, that these type of comments are normal and then saying "Hey, maybe they really WERE his friends!" because victims are usually conditioned to believe that is downplaying and justifying what happened.

We know what he did. It's bullying.

And even in his response he's using the same strategy (saying they're friends) to soften what he did and make him about himself (talking about his own feelings, bringing up his own pain and bringing press to the apology).

Edit: It's just especially unnerving to me that people within the gay thread are defending, in any way, a comment that either made homosexuality an insult or attacked a lgbt "friend" for their sexuality.

It wasnt. That's your opinion. 

And not all gay people are the same. Crazy thought, I know. 

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8 hours ago, Thatoneuser said:

I think he's straight, but would be willing, if you know what I mean. 

I think he's accepting. I do think it says a lot that his BFF before WayV was Jungwoo and at the same time he also considered Ten to be his like mentor and someone he could go to for guidance. 

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4 hours ago, ten go solo said:

Still regarding the Taeyong issue, this is probably a reach and me overlooking into things. But did anyone notice how Ten and Taeyong kept their interactions to the very minimum during these superm promotions? They only ever interacted when needed and they said goodbye to each other when they parted ways at the airport, I can't recall anything else and I'm sure Ten's heard all about the scandal. And seeing as SM has been pushing their relationship from the very beginning I can't help but find this all a bit sus and not to mention that a lot of fans were looking forward to seeing them interacting after nearly a year. Personally i was never a big fan of this pairing, for some reason their interactions always made me a bit wary and I don't feel like its 100% genuine specially coming from Taeyong's end, everything seems very calculated with him. Not to mention that his personally took a major shift between the smrookies era and 2017, he's a totally different person now. And I'm pretty sure multiple members have mentioned that Taeyong is the person whose personality is more different on and off camera.

 

On a more positive note that doesn't necessarily have to do with any of this, I just found it endearing. During one of the fansigns a fan informed Ten about his large lesbian following and apparently he was very excited upon hearing this.

 

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As someone already mentioned Ten did look very happy during the U.S. promos, it must have been exhilarating for him to finally promote in a more open environment especially after spending the last year promoting in China where he isn't even allowed to wear his piercings during broadcasts. 

I think it was clear that overall Junior/Senior relationships were being pushed. Even the way all the Super members sat for promo and interviews made that apparent. The order always went Ten, Baekhyun, Lucas, Taemin, Taeyong, Kai, Mark. They also put the two most fluent in English on the ends so that it wouldn't end up in a situation where interviews focus on one half of the group. By putting them on opposite ends interviewers have to look at the whole group. 

I think since the news people are just projecting a lot more. They seemed fine in the SuperM vlive, in the behind the scenes music video footage and at the airport. Ten and Lucas didn't really interact either and we know they are friends. The only junior he kind of interacted with was Mark and he's always been closer to Mark to the point people call them twins. 

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This thread wasn't up, but When You Love Yourself 2 is a Korean Web Drama that has a gay character. 

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Also, in SuperM the Beginning Capitol Records talks about how they reached out to SM to make this new group. They even say that they researched a lot of companies and decided they had to go with SM. The part I found most interesting was they talked about their artist and they chose to name 6 of them--Katy Perry, The Beatles being two but the they proceeded to talk about Troy Sivan, Sam Smith and Halsey. I do wonder if this is some how related to Ten saying he never felt more free. Capitol Records wanted this group and LSM put these specific members in it. Food for thought.

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Here's the link if anyone is interested. Capitol Records starts talking around the 7 minute mark. 

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Speaking of Taeyong, he did a Vlive not too long ago where he talked about how it's okay to give up, how it's okay not to live the life someone else wants you to live, and how it's okay just to be you because you can't change who you are. 

In the early days ofNCT's videos he's very aloof and clearly like it's trying to maintain a strong man image. I do think now is actually his more natural self. I remember in the earlier days Taeil saying that Taeyong on camera comes off as this strong man but irl he's very dainty and should he treated like a princess. I remember the quote because I thought Taeil's comment was kind of sexist. 

So I do think the image he has now is actually closer to his legit personality. 

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2 hours ago, Lolly21 said:

Agreed.

Mark is always considered as "straight" but he's a bit sus. Lucas is also considered as the "super masculine handsome boy", therefore, most think he's 100% straight but I don't believe that...

I will always say that you can tell a lot about a person based on who they hang out with and I think the most telling thing about Lucas is that his best friends are/were Ten and Jungwoo. So he's either family or he's just really accepting. 

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21 hours ago, ribbonribbon said:

I second this. Admittedly, I am only following Taemin, and to some extent, Kai and Baek. But the whole team just seem to be into both men and women to me. I like their new songs so I start to look loser, and it was true their are dubious evidences here and there for each. It cannot be fan service from original group, because the new group does not any full ships (missing Chanyeol, Johnny, Jaehyun e.t.c).

Then again, it was a team full of charming dancers, and probably a bit stereotype, but many dance-line idols I come across seem to have this non-straight vibe. Not necessary gay/bi, but they seem to have that carefree attitude towards same sex - it was like "If I like you I like you".

The only full 'ship' in SuperM would be Taemin and Kai. I honestly don't think they are actually more than friends but I used to feel like they had the highest chance of being legit dating given the fact that they WEREN'T in the same group. 

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Back to SuperM. I guess like, if this was any other group I would say the probability of them all being LGBT was low. But SuperM is this weird hodge podge of idols from other groups and they were all kind of suspect or the ones that ping the most in their respective groups. So now it's like huh.

Taemin has always been hard to read tho. I think Baek Hyun could be anything too. TThe only one actually in the group that most people are confident isn't straight is Ten. All the other ones are just frequently speculated about but are in that gray area. 

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7 hours ago, vikkotte said:

what about ten from nct?

I assume they are including Ten in all the members of WayV. Why Yang yang? I would put him in the straight corner, even more so than Lucas and Kun. Unless you are talking about his interest in fashion and liking that rainbow fashion show. But that's about it 

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4 hours ago, Parkney Bomston said:

I didn’t include Sehun because I don’t think he’s gay. I know a lot of people are certain he is but I’m not convinced. 

Really? Even his own members talked about how he should be second to last on the dating list if they are the opposite sex. Only the opposite sex part tho because he wouldn't be a bad date. That was the most telling thing to me. 

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6 hours ago, Thatoneuser said:

Who was the last on the dating list? 

Tao. Which...lmao. Fits. 

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27 minutes ago, Melany said:

bisexual= male or female (including trans male and trans female) 

saying that bisexuality is more than 2 sex, is lowkey transphobic since it mean you doesn't consider trans male and trans female as real male or female. 

There is various gender identity but there is only 2 sex

pansexuality= many various gender, not limited to gender

It's exist for a reason

stop making everything complicated

And no intersex isn't biological, people who have XXY or XX( without the sry gene) are gonna still have either male or female genitals. 

What. Intersex people often have both male and female sex organs?? A female presenting intersex person may have testies where ovaries should be. Your comment is highly inaccurate. Especially since Intersex awareness day was just a couple of days ago. A lot of the times they have been forcibly made to have surgery they didn't want. 

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23 hours ago, cndollaz said:

I feel a lot of members of NCT are either LGBT, curious, or allies.

I feel lucas would be down to experiment, He has had some sus moments

 

I honestly can't tell if Xiao Jun and Hendery are like Taemin and just genuinely think Ten is so talented so they have this like crush on him in an admiration since or if it's like a romantic crush. Xiao Jun, before he met Ten, literally had videos and photos of Ten on his phone. Hendery is whipped to the point that he let's Ten call him Donkey and just always wants to be around him. But for those two it could honestly just be looking up to a senior. It's hard to tell. 

I always thought Xiao Jun was more likely than Hendery. I think most people go with Hendery because he's always with Ten and he likes pink. I think part of Hendery's thing is that hes the youngest with 3 or 4 sisters. 

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45 minutes ago, RMPA said:

Did Xiaojun had Ten photos before meet him? Wow

I think Hendery have a big crush on him and it's pretty noticiable

I never thought Xiaojun is LGBT before read some opinions here

Lol yeah. It's in one of their little video diaries and they are talking about first impressions. And Ten mentions how he felt a little awkward because Xiao Jun had photos and videos of him on his phone and Ten knew they were going to be in a group together and didn't know how to feel about it. Xiao Jun's Dad is also a famous drag queen in China so if nothing else, he's accepting. 

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4 hours ago, jung jaehyun's boyfriend said:

I've been following NCT/WayV closely since debut and I'm an nctzen/weizennie (WinWin is my ultimate bias and has been for 3 years, and WayV is my ultimate bias group) so I've seen them pretty much everywhere. I'm sure people here talking about them are pretty familiar with them too, but I just wanted to give some context to my opinion before people come for me LOL Like, it's not like I'm just giving my thoughts after watching 1 interview or something. 

It seems like most people agree that WW, Lucas, and YY are straight, and that Ten is gay/bi. So by agreeing with half, you mean that you think Hendery, Xiaojun, and Kun aren't straight? imo, I haven't seen anything from them to suspect that they're into dudes :s What makes people suspect Kun? He's very "motherly" to the other members, but that comes with being the oldest in the group. I don't remember exactly where, but in the past, his ideal type that he described was very clearly of a woman, and he gets uncomfortable when people call him "mom" rather than "dad", he's enforced traditional male gender roles before, etc. I'm not saying that him subscribing to male stereotypes is indicative of his sexuality, but to me, he's always said and done things that seem to be from the perspective of a straight guy. 

And I guess what makes people suspect Hendery is his relationship with Ten, right? I think they're just good friends and get along really well. They have good chemistry together and it shows. He's mentioned before that he used to watch Ten's dance performances when he was still a trainee, and that it inspired him to become a better performer. So I think he still has admiration for Ten as a dancer and performer, and that sort of bleeds into their personal friendship as well. But it's platonic to me. Also no @ the user that said one of the reasons he's gay is because he likes the colour pink. like sis... no lol

As for Xiaojun, I have no idea why people think he's gay. He's cute, I know he's really sentimental and thoughtful, and he's a deep thinker.. but I haven't seen him show any homosexual tendencies. I haven't seen anything gay about his relationship with Lucas. Are people talking about that member interview segment they did when Xiaojun wrote a song/poem about Lucas or whatever? I think Xiaojun would've written something thoughtful about all of the members.

Overall, WayV is a group that is clearly very tight-knit and they have a lot of love for each other. They've mentioned time and time again that they're like brothers, and I honestly believe them. It doesn't feel fake or forced like the rest of NCT sometimes is. I think being Chinese in Korea, having trained there in a foreign country together, and having worked together tirelessly towards their debut that was constantly getting pushed back and thrown up into the air by THAAD and other obstacles drove them all really close together. ATM, I don't see romance forming between any of the members. The closest thing so far are the members thinking Ten is hot and Lucas being a horndog lol

I didn't say he was gay because he likes the color pink. I said I think people assume he's gay based on his infatuation with Ten and also because he likes the color pink but I don't know how to read him either way. I said I thunk his infatuation is assumed to be a romantic crush but it's honestly hard to tell with both him and Xiao Jun. I said fr both öf them that İ think part of what makes people assume they are is how much they admire Ten but it could just be because he is their senior. But I never said he's gay because he likes pink. I would never say anything like that. 

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3 hours ago, ribbonribbon said:

While I do think that not all dating news is fake, I still believe some are extremely suspicious. 

Baekhyun - okay maybe his dating news with Taeyeong cannot be qualified to be a cover up for some big political issues, the dating itself is bizarre. One is the core of the most famous girl group at that time, the other is the rising star (and one-half of a ship) and no doubt EXO had been the main focus of SM back then. I do think SM would have done everything to prevent the news if they were actually an item.

They barely interact before and after the dating news, yet the news itself is so clear and in-the-face. Frankly, I am not even EXO fan but I get his appearance here and there on variety and his interest towards men are so transparent. 

(I was trying to find an example and come across this : 

Kai - well, his romance with Jennie is too short live but I do believe in his dating news with Krystal, so at least I believe in one out of two. He could still be bi sexual though - and I am leaning towards this more than him being straight or gay.  

And for the bearding - we already had dating news/rumours/het stories (when the idol himself talked about dating/ breaking up with a girl) for plenty of suspicious idols: Heechul, Yunho, Key, Ryeowook, and a very long standing case, KJK. 

 

I feel like SM seems to allow a certain level of outness. Be as gay as you want, just never admit it yourself. Even your members can out you, but it can never come from you. Now, Baek Hyun in that same episode of Knowing Bros says point blank that Sehun has no interest in women. They then ask Baek Hyun "What about you?" And he says something along the lines of ...oh you know....basically implying in the context that he's still deciding. 

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21 minutes ago, Melany said:

speaking of jaemin, doesn't anyone have that video when they were playing a game where they have to say " i love you" to each other, and jaemin was confident with everyone and the moment ten looked at him, he became very gay panicked. It was very funny knowing how he doesn't hesitate to do fanservice usually

I feel like JoKwon's receipts are the fact that the rumors about him being gay made him double down and passionately sing Lady Gaga's Born This Way on that Orange Tamborine show.