Which male idols do you think are gay?

[stillLeland22]

Sorry if this seems like a bunch of random replies. I spent the last few days backtracking a bunch of pages.

 

It's also interesting because Jinyoung isn't actually all that thin or weak. Ong seems thinner actually lol.

 

 

Can someone explain what's happening here? So there's Haechan and Mark and who else?

 

taemin and kai

I've been stanning SHINee since predebut and I've never been sure of what I thought of Taemin but I find this pretty damn questionable.

 

EDIT: Like...he's really trying to get in there lol

 

Once upon a time...

 

 

 

It's possible Vernon was only experimenting with his sexuality back then during his interactions with Seungkwan since they were only middle schoolers during 17tv but idk about him now...

 

 

This is why I'm always confused when people assume Vernon is straight*. His actions toward Seungkwan (and other males) was pretty damn questionable up until debut. While I understand the rationale of them being young, like I've said before, many people already know the gender/s they're attracted to by that age and many have dating and sexual experiences by that point. It's not rare at all. I'd assume it's actually the norm. 

 

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In addition to not seeing evidence of him being attracted to females. I also really wish we applied the same standards to "proving" that someone is straight as we do to "proving" that someone is gay. When we question whether or not someone's gay, people want an affidavit read aloud on tv by someone with a new tattoo that says "I have sex exclusively with men" whereas straightness is as simple as "___ doesn't ping me", which has always struck me as illogical and somewhat offensive, as is the opposite. I'd love some consistent standards. We should apply them to the way we treat bisexuality in this thread as well.

 

Edited August 21, 2017 by stillLeland22

[stillLeland22]

 

Well said.

 

 

I agree and I've been meaning to say this for a long time but it's not really our job to go in and figure out the statistics of every group anyway. I would guess that most of us either aren't trained to do so or took classes in that area but aren't necessarily pros at it. I think it's best that we stick to pointing out who pings, who engages in questionable behavior and who seeks out same gender attention/affection and leave it at that. Saying "well there can't be 3 non-het members in a 5 member group so since _____ seems 'less gay' (whatever that even means), I guess they're straight" strikes me as illogical, counterproductive and very different from the actual stated purpose of this thread. As you touched on, we couldn't possibly know how any of these lineups came to be and what went into their selection/scouting, so we just don't know what's "realistic" and we're not here to guess at that, we're here to say who we think is gay lol.

 

Agreed. I don't think this was quite as inappropriate as one might think.

Culturally I'm also not sure how crushes are viewed in SK. They may be viewed as distinct from outright attraction especially of the sexual variety. Additionally, I don't know that we know what age gaps are considered acceptable. Not advocating anything, only wondering how things are viewed culturally there.

 

 

 

Seventeen is another group that I've stanned since before debut (I get roped in easily lol) and Wonwoo is also my ult bias (awesome to see another Wonwoo stan) and I completely agree with your assessment on him. I know everyone assumes he's straight and that's the reason he pushes Mingyu away. I think it has much more to do with fans crossing the line as it relates to their "ship". With Wonwoo, I wouldn't say that there's a mountain of evidence to back up my suspicions but I would say that it's clearly more than any evidence suggesting that he's straight.

 

 

Donghan is so...questionable lol. I love that guy. As far as Ong, what makes him ping as straight for you?

 

 

Yep. We just never know.

 

 

Younghoon pings for me too. His usual target is Q and I think there have already been posts of those two...

 

Daniel checking out Ong's sexy dance...every once in a while I do wonder if there's something there, particularly from Daniel (also lol Jinyoung's face)

I can't blame Daniel. 

 

 

To be fair, it could also mean that they're the only gay members that they personally know of. Not that I necessarily think there are more. Just saying.

[stillLeland22]

Ong hasn't given me gay/bi vibe or had any suspicious moments yet. Also he hasn't been discussed in this thread so far. Maybe if someone can provide some receipts of him that I find convincing enough, I can change my opinion on him. My opinions on W1 are not fixed and can be changed.

Oh I thought there was something that made you actively think he's straight. To me, the absence of anything should be viewed more as a "?"/"I don't know" rather than "straight" unless there's actually something to suggest attraction to the opposite gender. Like treating them equally, I guess.

 

I bet Taemin tried hard to get 'it' later on 

LMAO

 

Guanlin has been acting like Jihoon's overprotective boyfriend a lot lol or at least that's what I get from seeing him/them

 

 

 

 

Winkdeep happening in front of him

 

When Dan was playing with Jihoon's hair:

 

When Jisung playfully hit Jihoon's arm:

 

 

When SamHoon was having fun in front of him:

 

 

 

Also they've playing this game a lot:

 

 

 

 

Okay I wasn't really sure what to think at first but all of this Guanlin stuff has got me thinking he really does like males. Jihoon has pinged for a long time.

[stillLeland22]

I agree those fans are gross, but I wouldn't say they're anywhere near the majority, let alone everyone. Also, those fangirls usually still think the idols are straight. A lot of those fans seem to like boyxboy relationships as a fantasy, but still want to believe they're straight in reality so that they can imagine having a chance with them. It's kind of amazing actually, even with shipping being so popular in kpop, fans (especially k-fans) would be so shocked to find out any of them were actually gay. 

 

Edit: @WinWin's Favourite Ge, I feel you, but I think it's just that there hasn't been a lot of new content recently, and most idols have already been discussed multiple times. I'm sure we'll get something new to talk about eventually. 

I agree with this as well as anyone else who said something similar, to find a happy medium, and/or that it's best to ignore what doesn't interest us and keep it moving. I think it's okay for this place to be mindless fun sometimes and serious (yet still fun hopefully) other times.

 

I would also add that while I personally don't think much of any two idols in the same group (ship or whatever people want to call it) are likely to date in real life, I think some of their actions may reveal insights to their preferences and attractions as individuals and even possibly mutual attractions. I rag on them a lot because I feel like people give one a pass because he's less "obvious" or "gay" or whatever but Vernon and Seungkwan are a great example. I don't think they're dating but it's pretty obvious to most of us that Seungkwan is smitten with Vernon and it's obvious to me personally that Vernon has some degree of sexual attraction to males and their actions toward each other have helped to demonstrate one or both of those things depending on your view.

 

Shipping in and of itself is generally just fun that people engage in but some ships can be valuable as means to an end to observe same-gender interactions and possible attractions/questionable actions. Ships can be created out of thin air by companies but some can be a response to closeness that fans pick up on and "demand" more of (the vast majority of these, purely friendship). I think it would be presumptuous to say that every single ship is merely a couple of bros being bros. I think it's possible that some of these could be two people who are attracted to each other or a duo in which one is attracted to the other. So yeah, while I don't support shipping wars and I'm not necessarily behind trying to prove that ships are "real", they can be a means to an end and I'm okay with that on some level.

Edited August 22, 2017 by stillLeland22

[stillLeland22]

This is what I was going to say, that there is a difference between pushing a ship and using it as an example of suspect interations. The way you view Vernon and Seungkwan is how I view Jaehyun/Taeyong and JR/Ren, that they are pretty indicative at least on Taeyong and JR's parts respectively.

 

And it's true that dating within a group would create a lot of problems. But I'm sure we all know people (or have been that person ourselves), who dive into dead on arrival relationships not forseeing or ignoring the possible negative consequences. Like people bring up Daewhi and Jinyoung as probably not involved because they are in a trending group and it's too big of a risk, etc. But they are also 16/17, and at that age don't really think that far ahead about all the possible ramifications. Meanwhile, someone like Jisung who is older and their window of opportunity in the idol world is limited, would be more likely to think like that and not pursue anything.

 

Sidenote: Can't people who aren't interested in certain groups or topics just bring up something that they're more interested in?

Great points. We never really know what these idols will do. While I don't believe it's common, it wouldn't be the first time coworkers (even celebrity co-workers) dated.

 

So lets not fall in love with a member in your own group because "it seems less work?" because "it can avoid scandals" ?  How does that work ????????? "i have love feelings for him but he is in my group so i guess i date someone from another group. You know, someone i dont have love feelings for but its better to avoid scandals."

 

 

Why is JB homophobic ? This stupid rumor never stops.  

 

He was unhappy about Youngjae dragging him to a couple test for lovers. There can be many reasons for that... for example if JB is secretly gay, he would like to not give any hint and avoid ANY action that makes people doubt his sexual orientation. so he would be overly defensive against any homoerotic joke or homoerotic action.

 

Example 2: if the public in Korea thinks you are gay , your career is pretty much over or at least highly damaged. Maybe JB is just worried that this whole homosexual joke could backfire and could ruin his career so he doesnt want to joke around about it.

I understand why you feel the way that you feel. Though I've softened my stance on this with time, there was some subtext there and it's difficult for either side to say with any degree of certainty what exactly was meant so I can see why some would be offended. I think the majority of us have read the explanations many times by now. I'll just say that I don't think it's possible for every single person to have the same outlook on this and if I'm being honest, pressuring people into not being offended doesn't seem like an effective way to go about changing minds.

 

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On another note, this has nothing to do with anything other than people previously fawning over A.C.E several pages back.

 

 

 

I just love the moment starting at 1:23

[stillLeland22]

vying for attention of the same sex doesn't necessarily translate to a gay or even a romantic context, and especially not when you're one of the youngest in a group. if you've seen the p101 dance battle scene where the girls came out, he, along w samuel, were one of the most excited/happy ones. the most i'll take is that he's bi-curious, since guys his age most often are.

It doesn't necessarily translate to that but let's be real, more often than not, straight guys are more interested in getting the attention of females than males. Of course there's often a desire to impress your peers and especially those who are older but if a male shows a clear preference for gathering male attention I don't see any logical reason why we should toss that out or ignore it when it is obvioiusly somewhat out of the norm. This is not about Jinyoung but a general thought.

 

On a related note, I personally don't have an opinion but I need to say one thing. I don't mean to be accusatory but I do feel like I'm noticing another example of the trend I whined about before: Jinyoung posts about one female celebrity and it's a sure thing that he's straight yet he's physically been in multiple suspicious situations with males (if my Korean friends are to be believed in regards to some of his interactions, particularly with Daehwi) and that's summarily dismissed.

 

I'm asking everyone in general: Can we please please please just keep at least the same standards for every orientation? Can we please stop automatically labeling people as straight unless we have the same amount of "evidence" as it would take to convince us to suspect someone of being gay (if not even more to compensate for the pressure that society places on people to be straight)? If they "don't ping" or you don't know can we please just say that outright rather than jumping to "straight"? Can we stop labeling people as bi unless we have reason to suspect that they are attracted to males and females? I am begging you guys. It's that important.

Edited August 23, 2017 by stillLeland22

[stillLeland22]

I don't do double standards. If an idol does something worth taking note of, only then do I begin to consider the possibility, but I dislike over-analyzing and jumping to conclusions when they're barely into their two months of debut. There's a reason why most of the people who visit this thread don't take us seriously and assume we're dehumanizing them, and I don't plan to give them anymore reason not to, because I think this thread should be used for serious discussion rather than push our hopes and desires onto an idol just because we enjoy a ship. The only thing we know about Daehwi and Jinyoung's relationship is that both care for each other and that they're touchy with each other, as most platonic male relationships in Korea so happen to be. If you want to go ahead and claim 90% of Korea's men are gay, be my guest. I don't see a reason to peg a guy who've we've seen clearly be excited about seeing females as gay, so I'm choosing not to label him until we come out with further facts that tell us differently.

 

Another thing is I never labeled him as bisexual. I said that if there's anything that could pertain to him sexuality-wise, it would be bi-curious, since most teenagers around the age of 14-18 are still figuring out what they do and don't like. Either way I feel strange discussing the sexuality of a minor.

 

Bisexual people are more common than you might think, by the way. And there's not a damn thing wrong with it.

I want to reiterate that the final third of my comment wasn't directed at you; I wasn't saying that you labeled him as bi and I definitely didn't say or even imply that bi people are rare or that there's anything wrong with bisexuality (???). What I said amounts to "let's not label anyone straight unless we have reason to believe they like the opposite gender. Let's not label people as bi unless we have reason to believe they like males and females. Let's apply the same standards as far as proof" which I feel is pretty straightforward, logical and ultimately harmless.

 

The parts that pertained to you specifically was mentioning that it is questionable for a male to prefer male attention (which was a general thought and not about Jinyoung) so as a general rule of thumb, we don't need to dismiss that just on principle and the part addressing the different levels of "proof" people seem to need to believe that someone is straight vs. what they need to believe someone is of another orientation. To be fair you didn't directly call him straight but if someone responds to another user's comment that someone might be gay with "your gaydar failed you" and then follows it up with "the most i'll take is bi-curious", it's reasonable for someone to believe that you're implying that he's straight because you're seemingly ruling out the possibility of him being gay and the possibility of him being bi (with bi-curious being a maybe at best). Now if that implication was unintentional and you believe that he could indeed be gay or bi or another orientation, or you thought he could be another orientation then I apologize, but the implication is there.

 

Confusion may arise from me not clarifying a few things (these are numbered not for condescension but to help me keep track of the points): 1. I don't often "ship" people -- and never really seriously -- so I'm not really jumpy about being labeled a shipper. My comment wasn't about a ship. 2. I don't know much about Jinyoung or Daehwi. I only know that friends of mine from Korea have mentioned that they find some of their actions -- and the two individually -- questionable. That's all I have to go off of. But yes, I view that as having more weight than him posting about a celebrity. 3. I don't mean to offend anyone but I could not possibly care any less whether or not other people take this thread seriously. I think we need to be applying the same standards to everyone. If people don't like that then I'm sorry I guess but it won't alter the fact that I think it's the right thing to do. 4. I'm also not phased by us discussing Jinyoung's orientation simply because he's a minor. This isn't an 18+ thread to my knowledge and the vast majority of comments here do not veer into inappropriate territory. People have no qualms about discussing the crushes and dating of straight celebs. I see discussing possible other orientations as no different.

 

I think that when most people assume someone to be straight, it's not because they're homophobic or whatever lol but because statistically there are far more straight people in the world than there are gay people, and there often isn't an immediate indicator to someone's sexual orientation just by looking at them or from passing by them on the street. In daily life, it's unreasonable to assume everyone to be asexual until they show interest in men and/or women, so it just becomes a habit for many straight and gay people to assume heterosexuality. I mean I get that heteronormative thinking can sometimes be a problem, but in some cases it comes from an innocent place and not ignorance. Like, I'm a gay male and when I'm on the subway or something or walking down the street in the city, unless it's pride week or I'm walking into a gay neighborhood, then I'm automatically going to subconsciously label other people as straight, because that's just... how the world is lol it's like Pokemon. I'm not going to expect to encounter a shiny every time a Pokemon jumps out at me in tall grass. In the grand scheme of things, gays are rare (even in Kpop, though the shiny encounter rate could be slightly higher). So don't be too sensitive about it lol 

I appreciate the thought but homophobia wasn't quite what I was getting at. And while I know that the overwhelming majority of people are straight (though there are likely more LGBT+ people than one might think given that a lot of research is based on self-identification), there's enough people of other orientations to justify us knowing better and not labeling people immediately without cause. I also think that there is a difference between knowing that most people are straight and labeling individual people as straight without reason. I'm not trying to attack people...let's just be consistent with our standards and keep it moving. It's not a negative thing at all.

Edited August 23, 2017 by stillLeland22

[stillLeland22]

Girl it's not that deep to me lol but I can understand where ur coming from.

"Boy" will do but sorry, I'm kind of a wordy person by nature lol.

 

But you're right, it's not that deep. It's actually simple: let's not label anyone straight unless we have reason to believe they like the opposite gender. Let's not label people as bi unless we have reason to believe they like males and females. Let's apply the same standards as far as proof lol.

[stillLeland22]

Those guys from Addicted again 

 

 

 

 

They were both at the same event (the ban just prevents them from being seen/photographed/filmed together, not actually from being in the same place) and had fan stalls and Jingyu walked past Weizhou's and looked once, twice, then stared at it 

 

I did say that I thought if they weren't actually a thing but one of them caught feelings it was probably him

 

 

 

 

 

Spoilered because this may be a little OT:

 

 

 

So I stumbled on this video earlier today:

 

 

 

The commentary is cringey as hell, but they did collect a bunch of interviews I hadn't seen where they make it pretty clear they both like each other. 1:11:26 was interesting. In the part beginning at 37:25, Weizhou pretty much confirms he likes guys (that host was really nice). Jingyu seems to be basically an open book about liking Weizhou. Also, this behind the scenes vid was interesting:

 

 

 

Anyway, I actually never really watched the whole series (lol), but I hope the ridiculous ban ends soon so they at least don't have to worry about being seen together.    

 

Edit/Bonus:

Does anyone know anything about the guys who play the other couple in the series? The shorter one really pings. Also, this is fudging adorable:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ugh. I fucking loved that series, so it physically hurt me to know that they aren't even allowed to be in the same event :-(

 

That ban is so asinine. Leave it to the party to make a regulation over two specific people being pictured together lol.

 

There are lots of interesting videos from behind the scenes such as Jingyu...cupping Weizhou and giving a light squeeze at one point btw. It could have been in that compilation -- I didn't watch the whole thing -- but just thought I'd throw it out there..

 

[stillLeland22]

Lol I don't think I've seen that one. 

 

 

Speaking of these two

 

 

 

I don't think that was necessary at all (first few seconds). I haven't watched all the way through yet though. That slight squeeze...

[stillLeland22]

I was rewatching some old stuff & saw this video from Family Outing 2 back in 2010. At 7:30 in the video, Heechul & Taec have a moment & Heechul specifically requests that they play that song that always gets played in the background of "gay" moments on Korean varieties. This was over 7 years ago, & the fact that Heechul asked for the song makes me wonder if he's the one we have to thank for that song always getting played in the background lol

 

I love that I knew what song it would be before even hitting play lol

 

It wouldn't say "i like positivity" because the "i like" part literally translates to "i like both" ë‘˜ 다 좋아해

the part the poster was talking about is after that, ë‚œ 꽤나 양성ì .

 

so if you wanted to go with positivity it would say "i like both, i'm pretty positive" according to naver translator. 

http://m.translate.naver.com/#/ko/en

the full lyric: ë‘˜ 다 좋아해 ë‚œ 꽤나 양성ì 

 

so if the translator is saying it could mean positive and the poster says it also means bisexual... and he just said "i like both".. maybe it's a play on words like a lot of rappers do.. 

 

idk i thought it was random to just start his rap off saying i like both... both what? i'm bad at deciphering lyrics lol

 

 

well this is really interesting considering i already thought he wasn't straight lol he is very different than what most people in this thread see him as probably. he looks like your typical "manly, tough, straight" dude i guess but not really.. he has even said this himself. I just haven't bothered taking the time to gather stuff to post here lol

 

thanks for the info on this too! it sometimes gets talked about on like tumblr and twitter fandom, but i think it's mostly played off as a joke... cause you know.. oppar is always straight..

Not talking s#!t but that's somewhat common here, I think because it's such an open forum with many people who may not necessarily follow a given group (there are so many groups these days it's impossible to follow everyone). I do feel like it's somewhat more common with Seventeen here though lol. I would say basically none of them are stereotypical straight males (which isn't to say that they aren't straight males, they're just not the stereotypical sort). 

 

FINALLY IT'S HERE, WANNA ONE KISSING EACH OTHER

 

 

 

minus the actual kissing, because that's too gay for KBS apparently

 

btw I was actually paying attention to Jihoon and whoa, he is nervous as fuck, those closeted gay vibes are stronggggg

 

also, @3:16 Daehwi looks a little jealous that Minhyun kissed Jinyoung for no reason lmao

 

That's so fucking weak of KBS. Yikes. lol

 

 

stronger argument than 'gaydar' though.

 

Edit: I don't have a problem with discussing his sexuality and being open to the idea of him being gay, but when people disregard what he has said about himself by saying things like "you can't use what they say or do as proof" then what would there be left to use as proof? It seems some people actually use "gaydar" as more of proof of someone's sexuality than anything else. 

 

I can't speak for anyone else but to date I've had as many if not more encounters with the opposite sex than the same one and yet...not straight. It's just a consequence of a society that puts pressure on people to be straight, sadly.

 

 

I honestly don't see the point of posts like this. At the end of the day this is a speculation thread and as long as people aren't derailing and posting pure shipping content that's better served for Shipping Threads then i don't see the problem?

 

Plus just look at the phrasing "fully straight" for all you know they could just mean bi-curious or Straight With Suspicious Tendencies not "Every single member is flaming and part of the community" with the former not even being that much of a reach. Also I think you're doing that thing that everyone does in terms of translating Lgbt population statistics and pushing them on subsects of society. It could very well be that some groups have absolutely no Lgbt members, some have 1 or 2, and some have a majority or even a totality(however unlikely it may be). No need to even mention that this is the entertainment industry. So while I myself think it unlikely that every member of BTS (based on my own thoughts of each member not some faulty translation of what are most likely inaccurate statistics) is Lgbt, I don't think it impossible.

 

Anyways Idk, I just don't see the need for the condescending tone and the hopping on a high horse. The person you quoted's phrasing was rather harmless, and as i said above, this is a speculation thread. So maybe loosen up a bit or if you're gonna be contrarian at least offer up your own analyses of the members and explain why you don't think that every member is some form of lgbt??

Agreed. I would also add that, again, it's not really our job to figure out statistics and then rule out people. And what would be base it on if we did? Would we decide that whoever is more stereotypical is automatically gay and then assume the person who is less stereotypical is automatically straight based on some ratio even if both engage in suspicious behavior? That makes about as much sense as assuming that everyone is gay.

 

dowoon and wonpil

Do you have a link to the original post?

 

Really? I always thought there was an unspoken consensus in here that Wonpil is at least suspicious

to me, he does ping

He pings for me too. I don't think I've seen any solid evidence that he's gay but I certainly have seen even less to suggest that he's straight.

 

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Yikes topped the page. Have these been posted?

Nothing crazy, just Seonho accidentally acknowledging the truth.

Edited September 5, 2017 by stillLeland22

[stillLeland22]

Yikes topped the page. Have these been posted?

Nothing crazy, just Seonho accidentally acknowledging the truth.

I didn't notice Hongseok's expressions until now LMAO! Everyone take a second glance.

 

a hyung collector? where does he put them once he's got them?

Lol I just pictured all of the other p101 contestants in pokeballs.

 

This Seonho guy is kinda cute, too bad I didn't follow PD101 back when it aired. I'm watching out for him.

 

Btw, nothing new to add but this. I just find it cute. Daniel (Wanna One) is hella cute, idk what makes him cute but he is.

 

 

I mean it's totally fine, bruh!

0______0 I know it's probably fanservice but...that honesty though.

[stillLeland22]

New AI can guess whether you're gay or straight from a photograph

Artificial intelligence can accurately guess whether people are gay or straight based on photos of their faces, according to new research suggesting that machines can have significantly better “gaydar†than humans.

 

The study from Stanford University – which found that a computer algorithm could correctly distinguish between gay and straight men 81% of the time, and 74% for women – has raised questions about the biological origins of sexual orientation, the ethics of facial-detection technology and the potential for this kind of software to violate people’s privacy or be abused for anti-LGBT purposes.

The research found that gay men and women tended to have “gender-atypical†features, expressions and “grooming stylesâ€, essentially meaning gay men appeared more feminine and vice versa. The data also identified certain trends, including that gay men had narrower jaws, longer noses and larger foreheads than straight men, and that gay women had larger jaws and smaller foreheads compared to straight women.

Human judges performed much worse than the algorithm, accurately identifying orientation only 61% of the time for men and 54% for women. When the software reviewed five images per person, it was even more successful – 91% of the time with men and 83% with women. Broadly, that means “faces contain much more information about sexual orientation than can be perceived and interpreted by the human brainâ€, the authors wrote.

 

Welp. So much for the "you can never know unless they tell you" crowd. Now, of course it doesn't mean that whoever has "gender atypical features" is gay; we've been through that. The study also ignored bisexuality. But do look at the numbers. Second, thank god if your country managed to evolve morally before a technology like this appeared.

I know I'm late as hell but I personally still feel the same way that I always felt: I do believe that there is a "gay face" for lack of a better term but I believe general behavior is a much better indicator than that. After all, there are shitloads of things advanced AI's can do that we can't lol.

 

Look, while I'm a pretty strong believer in the "there is such a thing as a gay face", non-white men were explicitly excluded from this study, and Asian men are, by Eurocentric standards of masculinity, more "feminine" as it is. This is especially notable in South Korea, and more specifically the idol industry, where the beauty standard is more androgynous, and so many idols have had plastic surgery (often not even their own decision), that I don't think this is the best indicator. I just think that needs to be considered, is all.

 

And Jesus, that technology is terrifying.

 

Also, this response isn't to you, specifically, because I don't disagree that some people just look gay, I am more just responding to the article/idea itself. 

Also this.

 

Boi, Wonwoo has that effect on me too. He's hot af.

Interesting. I never realized he was so popular in these circles  Am I just following the trend then? lol

[stillLeland22]

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Someone save Seungkwan already.

 

 

Damn, I feel bad for him.. 

Y'all are still gonna ignore Vernon's own questionable behavior?

[stillLeland22]

Vernon has questionable behaviour, but I don't think Seungkwan's crush on him is requited. I don't think he's even aware of Seungkwan's feelings for him.

Now that I can see being the case, but if people are still pretending that Vernon is any less suspicious than Seungkwan, they're being willfully ignorant.

[stillLeland22]

idk if this a joke but it was fake lol

 

 

 

 

but anyway, there is/was something between verkwan obviously.. even s.coups and dk were playing with them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIi_lnm0Z2E

translation

 

 

seungcheol = s.coups and dokyeom = dk for any non stans 

 

Seungkwan's nosebleed incident

 

Staff: While preparing for the concert, i heard there was a member who had a nosebleed?

Members: Seungkwan...Seungkwan...

Seungkwan: When watching dramas, I usually find it amusing when someone has a nosebleed because of how tired they get...

Vernon: I thought it was grape juice at first

Dokyeom: (laughs)

Seungkwan: I was sleeping in the dorm when Hansol suddenly woke me up....There was blood on the floor and he thought it was wine or grape juice..

Seungcheol: I heard they went to the bathroom together

Vernon: (shaking his head no) Nooo...

Seungcheol: What did you do inside?

Vernon: (still shaking his head) Noo~ I don't~

Seungcheol: You didn't do anything?

Dokyeom: ì§œì‹ (These little rascals...)

Seungcheol: Seungkwan-ah, How many days had you been with Vernon?

Seungkwan: (laughs)

Wonwoo: That's a secret

Staff: Seungcheol-ah...

Dokyeom: How many days had it been since you first met?

Doyoon: (said something not clear)..don't do it

Dokyeom: The first time they met.....

 

Beyond that, as has been pointed out more than once, Vernon clearly had more inappropriate moments that could be viewed as homosexual in nature than Seungkwan ever did. The fact that there was a sharp decline in how overt he was willing to be once he debuted makes those actions MORE suspicious to me, not less. It implies to me that he was -- at the very least -- well aware of how his actions could be perceived and possibly even that he had something to hide in that regard. And I stand by my statements that I believe most people are already interested in the gender/s that they're going to remain interested in by the age that he was at the time. He wasn't a toddler lol. That's the reason I get pissed when people pretend that Vernon is straightness personified -- well, besides that even Koreans don't seem view him as overtly masculine or whatever people here sometimes try to paint him as. I can't remember if I ever got around to posting it but he was on a show with Julien Kang a couple years back and people were directly asking him if he was a boy or girl. Now that doesn't mean he's gay but it also doesn't fit the narrative that he's this stereotypical straight guy that the stereotypical gay guy is crushing on either.

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Because Baejin is 17 years old and Minhyun is 22. At least for me, it's not in favor of any ship. my perception of them is based on Minhyun being an adult and Jinyoung being a minor, so I see him as being a protective older brother. He acts a similar way with Woojin too and it just comes off as brotherly.

The last part I agree with, but as far as the first part, I don't think we can really make that sort of assumption. I hate to be controversial but I don't feel like we know Minhyun enough to know his thoughts on age gaps and (I'll speak for myself here) I don't know enough about Korean culture to know the prevailing thought on age gaps there. On some level I think we tend to project a lot when it comes to societal norms.

Edited September 14, 2017 by stillLeland22

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I didn't mean to project. I just wanted to explain why I (and maybe other people who feel the same way) don't take the way Minhyun acts with Jinyoung to be a sign of attraction. It could absolutely be projection on my part but I don't wish to speculate that an adult is attracted to a child, especially when Minhyun does things like hug and kiss him.

I think we're fundamentally in agreement, we're just currently addressing two different things. I agree with you that -- for me -- the age gap would be weird and inappropriate (though, I think that while technically correct, referring to baejin as a child and Minhyun as an adult in this case is a bit misleading, probably unintentionally. We are still in agreement, however). What I'm saying is that I don't feel that the OP was addressing people who merely feel like it would be inappropriate so don't want to discuss it. They're addressing people who are making statements about what the nature of their closeness is or isn't, based on their own feelings, which is, in my opinion, inherently illogical. You and I feel that it would be weird and that's cool, we don't think there's anything romantic there and that's also cool, but those are two separate topics. If we claimed "it isn't that" because of how we feel about the appropriateness of it, that wouldn't make any actual sense.

 

In a nutshell: It either is or it isn't, but what we feel has absolutely no bearing, either way. Maybe saying we don't know or we don't think that's what's going on is the best bet. And I know people don't like to hear (or read lol) this, but ideas of right and wrong aren't universal.

Edited September 15, 2017 by stillLeland22

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Sorry. The shipping between minors and adults that I have been seeing lately caused me to have that reaction (i.e., people shipping Daehwi and Taehyun, Daehwi and Dongho, and Seonho and Minhyun). I just feel that in the LGBT community (at least in my experience), a lot of the times inappropriate relationships between minors and adults are brushed off because they're the same gender. I know I've had older women be romantically interested in me and act a certain way towards me when I was a teenager and still figuring things out that definitely would have raised more flags with people if they were men. I just wanted to draw a line of what I personally felt was appropriate in my own speculation and explain why I (and possibly others) did not view the way Minhyun treats Jinyoung as a result of romantic attraction. I only meant to answer that it had nothing to do with Jinyoung or Minhyun's other ships, which is what the original post I quoted thought was the reason people wrote off Minhyun's actions as brotherly affection. I provided a possible explanation. Other people can disagree.

 

 

 

I understood and still understand why you feel that way, but there are times when we can go a bit far in our feelings to the point of being illogical, which is what I was addressing. Like I said, I would find it odd and I also don't think anything is going on between them anyway, but those are essentially unrelated topics. I would not go so far as to say the equivalent "you (xicondi) haven't eaten anything with beans in it for the past year because I personally have a distaste for legumes". Because, while you might also dislike beans, my personal distaste for them can't be used as evidence of that. We're not the same person and we don't even know each other. I think when we put it into those terms we can see how illogical that sort of reasoning would be. It's not about supporting it or not supporting it, it's about making assertions that actually make some degree of sense. That's all I was saying and I think kind of what the OP was saying as well.

 

 

On a broader note, perhaps it's because I've always been interested in social sciences and things of that nature, but I do find this topic to be very intriguing: In many parts of the world, both of them would be considered young adults and essentially in the same age group and, to my knowledge, there's very little difference between the two on a scientific level and yet we do feel this sort of aversion toward even the possibility of it. And -- again from my very limited understanding -- if we're going beyond culture and more into science, the cutoff should really be 25 and not 18, which is largely an arbitrary choice, so in a sense many of us here shouldn't be considered adults on that level. Maybe I'm just a nerd, but that is all pretty interesting to me. (science-y people, please feel free to correct me!)

 

 

Edited September 16, 2017 by stillLeland22

[stillLeland22]

WHY DO PPL HERE THINK ALL OF BTS IS LGBT OR SMTHN

 

Again, it's not really our job to figure out statistics and then rule out people. And what would be base it on if we did? Would we decide that whoever is more stereotypical is automatically gay and then assume the person who is less stereotypical is automatically straight based on some ratio even if both engage in suspicious behavior? That makes about as much sense as assuming that everyone is gay.

We've touched on a similar topic before. Our role here is simply saying who "pings". If everyone in a group has behavior that "pings"...that's life. It doesn't mean that they're all gay, but at the same time, we can't pretend that the behavior of one person isn't suspicious just because other people in their group also engage in suspicious behavior. That wouldn't even make sense lol.

 

(Not that I have a real opinion on who pings in BTS either way)

Edited September 19, 2017 by stillLeland22

[stillLeland22]

Just a thought but with the influx of people who seem to dislike this thread: Have you guys thought about finding another thread to enjoy? It's a bit odd to be hounding people and trying to force an already established thread and group to change to suit your needs. At 3000 some odd pages, it's...unlikely to change.

Edited September 20, 2017 by stillLeland22

[stillLeland22]

 

Okay Jackson...

LMAO Jackson has no filter. I don't blame him though, the guy is a hottie. He reminds me of someone but I can't figure out who.

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This does not feel right....

The second pic isn't actually them. I do get vibes from Taeyang (to anyone confused, that's actually his name) and occasionally Hwiyoung though.

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x

 

Can you please link directly to the specific post?

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 Cr. Jeonghan..... and his obsession with butts

 

C for anyone obsessive about finding specific posts like I am lol