Which male idols do you think are gay?

[honeymaple]

Hi! So I've been reading here for a little while and normally I don't have anything to say, but today I have something to say! I'm really curious about Aoora from AA recently and I can't find the info I'm looking for, maybe somebody here can help 
 
There's this youtuber that he's been acting very (VERY) close with called Edward Avila, and so of course everybody ships them (me too kinda but I'm not sure about Aoora's personality so I can't say for certain), but something caught my attention in the comments.
 
Some people have been saying that Aoora is married, but when confronted they disappear or say you can find it on google without providing proof. When I search in English, Japanese, or Korean I can't find anything. Normally I would think this is just "oppa isn't gay" lying, but it's nagging me. I always thought he was gay even if he isn't secretly Eddy's boyfriend (even if he acts like he's secretly Eddy's boyfriend)...
 
I need receipts about this boy 
 
 

If you're interested, reasons why people think they're dating:

• Sexual tension and flirting, especially around the end of 2016 (beginning of Aoora appearing in videos)
• Eddy is Aoora's fan since even before he was in AA
• Lots of skinship, including back hugs, unnecessary touching (including face), and sitting in lap
• Aoora always dresses nicely to see Eddy, but that might be his personality?
• Accompanied Eddy to the airport (2 hour drive each way) just to say bye before Eddy's 2 week trip
• Accompanied Eddy to the clinic twice when Eddy got his nose job and had a care appointment after
• Got Eddy a gift on one of the clinic days and they did date type stuff
• At one clinic visit Eddy didn't show who he went with but he didn't go alone, then when he was home he suddenly had a fresh hickey that he did a bad job of hiding, and he was still pretending to be alone even though at one part you can hear a guy laugh where he missed the editing (and it sounded a little like Aoora but it could be anybody with a similar laugh)
• Aoora is VERY attentive to Eddy
• He really likes filming Eddy
• Eddy keeps liking comments calling them a couple
• Aoora went to Malaysia with Eddy for Eddy's award nomination thing and they shared a hotel room
• He shaved Eddy's legs for him at the hotel (??? why)

Reasons why people think they're not dating:

• Aoora is married (??????)
• "Friendship goals"?
• Both bottoms?? (I think this is a stupid reason but it's funny)
• Fake shipping for attention isn't just for straights

 

 
 
So what do you guys think? Is Aoora straight and married? Is he gay and dating Eddy (or not dating Eddy)? Is he bisexual and married and Eddy is his side ho? 

 

 

PS Sorry for my English I'm a native speaker I swear 

[honeymaple]

Nobody in their right mind would think that Aoora is straight after listening to his song "Body talk" and watching the video. Bi? Could be. Married? Maybe. But honestly, it seems like someone just made this shit up and oppa is just big ol' gay

 

I think even if he hadn't sang about gay sex before, if his "wife" can let him fly off in another country and share a hotel room alone with a gay man who is obviously attracted to him then she is a very tolerant woman 

 

 

OMG I came on here to post about this after watching Eddy's latest vlog! In fact, Googling Aoora was how I discovered this thread in the first place.

 

The first I saw anything of them was when Aoora (took a 2 hour bus ride each way) send Eddy off to the airport. In the comments everybody was shipping them and I didn't get what the big deal was so then I went back and watched this:

 

 

...and I knew then that they were screwing

 

I'm subscribed to Eddy's channel and watch most of his vlogs, especially the ones where he is hanging out with his friends (because I don't care about the beauty stuff) and he does not act the way he does with Aoora, with any of his close male friends, even the gay ones back in California.

 

I also don't know how else they would have met and start spending time together because they don't seem to have mutual friends. Aoora is like the boyfriend your friend bringredients from outside the group no one else is friends with and won't be hanging around when the relationship is over.

 

Eddy is being a little troll though liking all the comments about them dating. They're like a less prolific gunheechul.

 

Don't think Aoora is married because I haven't found anything to back that up and the people who say that never cite any evidencevent and can't say when or where they "heard" he was married.

 

Edoora shipper unite! 

 

If there is something between them I don't think it was serious in 2016 since Eddy spent Christmas alone and bitter about couples everywhere. It seems like some time in January or February things took a turn and suddenly Aoora was started acting super boyfriendly. I wonder how long they've known each other, but at least "weeks" before the blackpink makeup video, so a while.

 

I'm curious about how they met too, but I guess he just met through work? Eddy meets idols sometimes, mostly English speaking nugu-dols, but Aoora is a nugu-dol too so he's definitely not out of our Eddy's league lol

 

With how kind Aoora is acting around Eddy it seems weird that he might do that when Eddy seems to have a crush on him (look how shyyyyy and cute he is in that video you posted!) so that's one reason I think in favor of something more than friends.

[honeymaple]

Sorry, I think it's not so unreasonable to think a dancer is gay. The stereotype exists among dancers as well, who usually estimate about 50% of other male dancers to be gay but much lower female dancers to be lesbian. It's not 100% of course, but if he's 10x likely to be gay because of his interest in contemporary dance then I think that is reasonable to cite.

 

 

 

Since I'm here, I wanted to talk about an interesting theory of Big Hit/BTS. Do you guys know Big Hit Gay Agenda theory? It's like that all members of BTS were chosen because they are gay/bi or ally and Big Hit wants to push normalization of homosexuality. I think it's seems plausible but what do you think?

[honeymaple]

Field of flowers who? V/Bogum is much prettier 

They so looks like a couple even if they're not, it's very pretty together 

 

And in that Japanese video every comments is like "I'm becoming fujoshi/fudanshi!" or "do you need tissue for your nosebleed everyone?" so I'm wonder if some men also might like this kind of concepts after all  

 

 

 

 

 

Nobody's going to argue that there is a stronger presence of queer people in the arts, but people need to stop overinflating that number and associating every 'effeminate' skill with being gay.

 

And to add on, there's a big difference between someone liking contemporary dance (Jimin) and someone showing an interest in queer culture (Jo Kwon). Jo Kwon shows interest and knowledge in queer culture (drag queens, for example) and he strongly feels for a self branded gay anthem (Lady Gaga's Born This Way). It's more like, he has a collection of 'stereotypes' that when you gather them altogether, it paints a clear picture. Versus an isolated interest in something people view as being girly.

 

Does that make sense? I'm not saying Jimin isn't gay, just that... some examples look bad, when presented by themselves. I believe that's why so many people reacted negatively to snowdjinn's post.

 

Sorry this is all I can find, it's a bit difficult for me with academic vocabulary

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9251839

 

It might not be totally accurate, but if dancers also have this stereotype among each other then I think it's must be somewhat true. I have a friends who are dancers in two continents and they also agree regarding such a stereotype.

 

If only 2-5% normal mens are gay but about half of dancers are gay then that's minimum 10x likely, which is why I say it's reasonable to mention.

 

It's just my opinion, but that's not only opinion of me (mine?). I don't think he's gay because of he likes dance, but I just think it's became very much more likely, do you understand? Sorry.

[honeymaple]

I think especially Japanese have a weird idea about ノンケ which translates "straight" but real meaning more like "not gay" or "between gay and bisexual", so bisexual can be ノンケ (nonke). It's very confusing for us Japanese too, there's many questions on the internet about like "what is a boundary between nonke and bisexual" or "my friend is nonke but he does ecchi with men".

 

But, nonke doesn't say "nonke" to themselves, they says "normal", which's even more confusing because "normal" isn't mean "straight" in this context, but "likes opposite sex" so it's can be bisexual too. Or getting a boner from other guys can be just "body's reaction" and not bisexual.

 

 

So what I'm saying is I thinks Suga can say 異性ã«é™ã‚‰ãš and mean "I'm bisexual" from himself but interpreted "I'm nonke/normal but men are also okay" in Japan and "I'm answering about friendship" in Korea.

 

Heteronormativity 

[honeymaple]

New vlog of Eddy and Aoora!

 

From comments "And before anyone says anything, we're not dating lol as much as your yaoi loving self wants to believe itâ˜ï»¿"

 

But you go to Malaysia together. But you go to shopping and eating together. But you had wanting to go to the theme park together. But you drink the same straw. But you switches formality level so much like a cute couples.

 

But not dating okay

 

 

#normalbros

 

By the way did anybody understand Aoora's 12:09? He said ì—디가 어렵게 ê½ƒì„ â—‹â—‹ 습니다 but I'm can't hear â—‹â—‹. Lazy Eddy didn't subtitles all of a parts ヾ(｡｀Д´｡)ﾉ

 

 

 

 

PS oh I'm gay boy! 

Edited May 5, 2017 by honeymaple

[honeymaple]

Speaking about openly gay's debuting, why I don't know, because Eddy is not idol, but to featuring to Aoora's new project's (TROPHY CAT) song... let's anticipate!

 

 

big so

 

 

 

 

Title's seem's romantic? 

 

 

Found this another picture

 

 

[honeymaple]

Eddy denied them dating in a comment a few videos ago and I was like "does Aoora know that?" 'cause Eddy is CLEARLY his muse and #1 in his life.

 

Haha I really thinks so. "Aoora know's about not dating??" 

 

japan is not open-minded.

 

tokyo is open-minded, and a couple other big cities are not insanely far behind. that's about it.

 

Nobody banned from broadcast or saying to them "go die" because of a homosexuality like Korea or China. Moreover we have the same-sex partnerships certificates for 6 cities and majority people supporting "marriage" or "partnership" especially among younger generation. Maybe it's not so great compared with Taiwan I don't know but to say "not open-minded" I think's incorrect about that.

[honeymaple]

homophobia is not all violence or threats of violence

 

just because it's not hyper-homophobic like korea or mainland china does not make it a regional icon of acceptance.

 

 

You're really thinking there's no homophobia in Taiwan? America? Other countries are having gay marriage legal? Japan is very safe country for homosexuals without persecution and more celebrity also coming out. I'm see Taiwan is similar maybe a little bit more ahead. But what do you want? 2 countries in east Asia and southeast Asia recognizing gay couples. One of is Japan.

[honeymaple]

She probably got a negative reaction because what she's describing would be sexual abuse. These companies would not be making idols have sex with their fellow group mates. There might be a few guys who mess around with each other, but there are plenty of ways for them to hook up with people of their preferred sex and stay under the radar. They aren't totally isolated.

 

"Make" could also maybe "allow". Both's ã•ã›ã‚‹ for Japanese, and very confusing to go to English correctly.

 

 

On the topic of Bangtan, any opinion on Jungkook? Like seriously, what is he ??????

 

Bisexual prince 

Edited May 31, 2017 by honeymaple

[honeymaple]

Seems very romantic type song in a preview!

 

 

 

[honeymaple]

Masculinity is so fragile...

 

That's seems really sexism. To be like a guy is fragile? How can you say that...

[honeymaple]

Oh! I forgot to what I came in to post about! haha
 
 
Aoora's not in a video but the song! Rightnow position 31 in usa itunes between IU and BIGBANG  
 

 

Story according to Eddy "I couldn't 잡았어 the 남ìž" 
(I couldn't got the man)
 

 
 
 And working on the another song together I think? I wonder if Eddy's to try and be the real kpop star  
 

 

Not what they mean. They're saying Jaebum's masculinity is fragile because he is very discomforted with anything that doesn't have a "tough guy" image, as he feels like he has to act a certain way.

 
Oh, I thought English needs a pronoun? Isn't it required "his"? Had I remembered it wrong?

[honeymaple]

i hope i dont come off as too shipper-y but this got me lowkey shook as well because he said it so casually

 

apparently its common place for jungkook to call a hyung 2 years older than him by a petname

 

Jimin also call to Jungkook ì•„가야 which's meaning "baby" but can feeling more to "darling" at a beginning of sentence.

 

https://twitter.com/tweetaes/status/853621297804328963

[honeymaple]

About saying "girlfriend" without picture, it's easy be to say "girl" instead to "boy", words are meaning nothing. Same about dating to a girl, it's "normal" even for the gays. I also dated to girls during the school days and "loved" even without a sexual attraction. In a youth's hard for telling such a difference I think. Love for friend  or love for romantic. I became very sad about breaks up even I didn't attracted.

 

 

 

Speaking as a gay Japanese, I met to BTS before and all of a member's pinging lol

Why is it... 

 

 

 

 

[honeymaple]

So interesting everybody's opinions! 

 

(Edward update nobody's interested for..... new single with Trophy Cat again "Body" next month  )

 

 

 

About BTS all of a member's flirting with girls and boys fans and TV's program's casts. I'm not thinking so good evidence about that. All of a membar's flirting to another too. Just put attention to feeling and rumor and the subtle action's ideal I think. 

 

Just my opinion 

 

Actually about the BTS's opinions...

 

Jimin― gay, friendly to girls but no sexual expression like to a boys

Jungkook― bi, flirting to both in a fans but bad evidence, really just such an atmosphere, and maybe dating to Jimin (I think many fans are thinking so these days for real not just about shipping)

J-hope― gay or bi, acts like okama even in a private time seems (but not so flamboyant), I'm knowing about some bi okamas but never the straight so's partly why I'm thinking impossible for to be straight, plus a way he's looking at guys... too sexual for the straight lol (oh and a low center of gravity for walking/dancing's so feminine to be straight) for me he's similar like Jokwon for camera but maybe bi and maybe thinks himself ugly so's why not understanding people's attracted to him

Rap Monster― ???? pinging but mysteriously  could maybe bi??

Suga― bi, seems like so obvious despite seeming like herbivore personality

Jin― gay?? looks like many the Japanese twink (actually he's looks so Japanese  lol) but could maybe bi

 

People don't talk about such a topic so much in a Japanese and Korean internet  (why I'm here  )

 

 

 

ahaha it's maybe not related about anything but it's seems a members are liking to sing along with lines about boys?

 

 

In 1:34 Rap Monster and Jungkook and V sang with "I don't want a boy I need a man" line  and V didn't sang until that line 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igaTQGfHd9c

 

 

Rap Monster and Jungkook sang with "mom told to me to be careful about men" line in 1:26 

 

 

 

Another 1:04 Jungkook (and seems like Rap Monster but can't to see) sang with "kiss him while I diss him I don't know but I miss him" (particularly last part) and Jungkook 1:48 "don't play with me boy" (very emphasis on BOY lol)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrQmENlugcg

 

 

Edited July 18, 2017 by honeymaple

[honeymaple]

 

that's the current state if things. i can't remember the last time there was an mv that was any more than vaguely homoerotic.

 

 

BTS Blood Sweat & Tears video Jin kissed the statue's supposed to be V by cinematography. I'm think it's a most they can do, can't to make a members actually kiss in music video  

 

In a lyrics it's also somewhat sexual and gayish in J-hope's part

"Kiss me it's okay to hurts

Hurry up tighten me

So I don't hurt anymore

Baby even if I gets drunk now I'll drink you down

Deep inside my throat, whiskey called you"

 

Sounds very erotic, surprising to be allowed on Korean broadcast 

[honeymaple]

that is a possibility but still, it's not right to assume they're lying just because of what we see on camera.

 

Almost all of idol's lying about so many things. It's a nature of industry. Not bad, just selling the "perfect" image like their companies wanting.

[honeymaple]

I don't to post jikook (or any ships) evidences because this's not a shipping thread, but recently I'm really think's real. I don't say such about most of ships in a world. I think vkook attracted but not more, plus V was crush to J-hope (maybe still now), that's awkward if dating to another member of a group especially since all living together. Just my observations.

 

If interesting about evidences https://kookminworld0507.tumblr.com/is good place for. (Maybe some a bit too much, but analysis posts are very good! look for a media posts) the youtube was better but mysteriously continuously this person's youtube's deleted for "copyright" but not any another analysis channels........ suspicious. Some are thinking Big Hit maybe interferes because of it's a best jikook analysis channel.

 

 

As for about V sitting to Jungkook's lap, whole scene 19:20. Each of members must to picking one item, whoever's item they'll pick they'll cook for that owner. Jungkook took V's item, so sat to Jungkook's lap and says "You're mine" cutely. For me don't see but fanservice.

 

(Sorry about the sideways lol)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf0Dayjw_y4

 

 And why J-hope looked sourly to them, that could be any reasons, but's not the homophobia. J-hope's not homophobia and anyway he laughed soon after there.

 

Oh it's so late haha! Time for go to sleep  Sorry about it shipping, I don't take so seriously 

[honeymaple]

I didn't wanted to make a fighting

[honeymaple]

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They deadass did that. Although does jhope look uncomfortable to anyone else.

 

Ahaha I'm said before about all of a members flirting to eachother  So crazy the BTS boys 

[honeymaple]

Jungkook is doing a lot of questionable stuff with jhope. Like in bts run jhope said jungkook checks him out when is taking shower and makes appreciative noise of waah and jungkook has his own room but he still stays on jhope's bed most of the time. And when they were doing intv for billboard he was clinging to hoseok a lot but then this all could be just because they are really comfortable with each other.

Honestly bts members are all very close to each other. Tae has sat on member's lap a lot of time same with jimin and jungkook so yeah tae sitting on jungkook's lap doesn't look suspicious to me , it may look to someone who doesn't know bts well and hasn't seen them interacting with each other. Taekook and jikook are most popular ships so they have some immature fans as well who makes everything they do about their ship. When jungkook was sitting on yoongi's lap not much was sad but when same happened with tae and jungkook shippers went crazy thinking they are in relationship lol. I doubt now any of them are really in relationship with each other they all treat each other as brother. Infact I lean more towards the fact that tae and bogum are a thing

 

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Furthermore I'd noticed Jungkook and J-hope seemed more skinship lately. Obviously a kiss to his neck's fanservice, I thinks maybe all of's fanservice, maybe Big Hit switches Jungkook "official" ship from Suga to J-hope?

 

But J-hope's soooo sexy the body, not surprising to looking or touching anyway

 

 

Jimin does so too

Eyes glued to the skin 

 

I'm don't think a way they treat is "brother", some of is too sexual... I know that "look" giving each another, even they don't act on maybe. Subtle things are suspicious than overt things.

[honeymaple]

You are saying's better to posting about without so much shipping (which I agree), butI tried to talk about to BTS sexuality without any shipping and I got some the negs  ?

[honeymaple]

Please ignore it if's tired about BTS couples posts.

 

It's not reall shipping post, just very suspicious thing happend some while ago. If you disagree about it's suspicious I respect you, but please don't to say such a things like "delusional" to me.

 

I'm hesitating to post about such an evidence, but it's already widely know about, so I thinks must be okay.

 

 

During last year at Osaka, V did the vlive at the hotel and went to Jungkook's room. Somebody was hiding in the room, some thought to be girlfriend of Jungkook but then a fans figured out that was Jimin's stuff in the room.

 

https://mimibtsghost.tumblr.com/post/159339606203/the-mysterious-vlive-video-why-was-jikook

 

(big image)

 

 

 

 

 

A question is: Why was Jimin no shirt in Jungkook's hotel room and while Jungkook no clothes and loud music dim lights? If it's the innocent situation, why hide?

That question is why so many the fans are suspicious to them (plus another situations like secretly playing footsie during BV S2 and such's).

 

Sorry about it,I'm just wanted to give a reason for opinion since before all I gave was an opinion 

[honeymaple]

Sehun: I like men

Also Sehun: I'm not interested in women

Everybody: Sehun's must not be interested in dating, it's an only explanation!

 

 

Welcome to Asia 

 

 

 

I wonder what Baek meant by being sensitive though?

 

It's means difficult topic, not wanting to talk about.

Edited July 23, 2017 by honeymaple