DMTN/Dalmatian (디엠티엔) Official Thread~

[Entropy]

Sorry I have been absent for a while guys. I have been chilling in the Nine Muses thread, because I was spending so much time here in the DMTN thread. I can't seem to divide my time evenly between NM and DMTN. So excuse me for being late to the discussion.

*sighs* 
If only ...
too bad they have been having bad luck since their debut ... i.e bad promotions since their debut, DayDay leaving (but Simon came in so I guess it's okay ..), MC Mong case, the marijuana case .. it's just too much  :sad:
 
How high of possibility do you guys think that they can make a comeback ?
 

Don't worry, I will take extra careful of him.  
 
He can be so dorky.

 
and oh so hot as well:

 
akjdsklfja <3 I'm serious about this guys! 
JISU IS MY BIAS IN DMTN NAO. 
 

LOL. Our dorky Daniel :3<3
I love sleeping too. I can sleep all day like you Daniel! Thus we should sleep together <3 (as in with our clothes on)

Oh you're Jeesu biased? I can dig it

Now I am feeling left out because I don't have a bias.

How high is the possibility that they're coming back? I'm nearly 100% sure that they are coming back. Now whats the possibility that they are coming back with Daniel and/or Dari? I'm not 100% sure on that one, and that's the thing I'm worried about. Now that Dari is out of the military I don't want DMTN to be 5 members and I definitely don't want them to be 4 members (that would be the worst case scenario at this point). DMTN is 2works cash cow. Even if they end up being only a 4 membered group, I don't think 2works would abandon them. I could see that happening if DMTN were still rookies but they're too much of an asset to get rid of. Even if 2works dropped them they have enough popularity for another agency to want to sign them. They're probably not able to go independent (free of an agency) like Rain did though.

Oh thanks and for the OP btw. I just realized that you're the thread starter.

They'll definitely make a comeback eventually. The question is whether or not they'll ever get beyond 'nugu' status.

Yeah Its like they take 2 steps forward and 1½ steps backward. Something always comes up and makes them lose momentum.

 

Here's what they need to do. DMTN or 2Works, if on the off chance that you are reading this, take notes:

• When they come back they are really going to have to promote like crazy and do a follow up promotion like really soon and simultaneously work on the next album and get that out quickly. They also need to be on an OST.
• Jeesu needs to be hosting or appearing on more variety shows like Star King (Maybe even Simon on Star King because I notice they re-invite idols who are good at a lot of things).
• The vocalists need to appear on 1000 songs challenge (its a popular show even for those that don't follow idols).
• They need their own show so that the general public can become reacquainted with them or appear on an already popular show like Hello Baby, Sesame Player, or We Got Married.
• Youngwon should get into acting.
• Inati should continue acting (it would be awesome if he could have a movie role).
• Simon should continue being featured on songs by other artists and participate in every Idol Olympics (because those things brought a lot of attention to DMTN).
• If Dari is returning I'm not really sure what he could do. He just might be one of those members that don't do anything significant outside of the group. Maybe he can be featured on other songs. He could also befriend more celebrities (all of his friends are either underground peeps or nobodies to the public eye). Maybe he could continue doing mix tapes and be one of those people that do their idol thing and their underground thing (like Block B's Zico).
• I know Dalmates aren't going to approve of this particular idea but it might not be a bad idea to promote a sub-unit. I'm thinking of a duo similar to Tasty that's very strong on the dancing. There's been a trend of subunit duos for girls but there hasn't been any male subunit duos (and Tasty isn't even a subunit). Definitely Simon should be a part of it and another member (I'm thinking Youngwon for some reason because he is similar in height to Simon, he can dance very well, and he can sing). .
• I don't know if Daniel has a future with hosting and acting and that makes me sad, I thought maybe he could participate in some kind of campaign against drug use, but I think that would just make people angry and call him a hypocrite. Instead, he should either lay low or put it out there that while he doesn't condone drug use, he isn't perfect and makes mistakes. Maybe a public apology. Not really sure about what Daniel should do to be honest.

And THIS

Try to get Jisu on Immortal Song or something so more of the public is aware that there is *talent* in this group. The next idol special on Running Man, try to get Simon on it; it would be great fun to watch him compete with the super competitive Minho and/or Yonghwa - this shouldn't be so very difficult - Haha knows them, he's buddies with Mongie, Intae, and Janggeunie.

[Yerowan]

Now I am feeling left out because I don't have a bias.

How high is the possibility that they're coming back? I'm nearly 100% sure that they are coming back. Now whats the possibility that they are coming back with Daniel and/or Dari? I'm not 100% sure on that one, and that's the thing I'm worried about. Now that Dari is out of the military I don't want DMTN to be 5 members and I definitely don't want them to be 4 members (that would be the worst case scenario at this point). DMTN is 2works cash cow. Even if they end up being only a 4 membered group, I don't think 2works would abandon them. I could see that happening if DMTN were still rookies but they're too much of an asset to get rid of. Even if 2works dropped them they have enough popularity for another agency to want to sign them. They're probably not able to go independent (free of an agency) like Rain did though.

Oh thanks and for the OP btw. I just realized that you're the thread starter.

Yeah Its like they take 2 steps forward and 1½ steps backward. Something always comes up and makes them lose momentum.

 

Here's what they need to do. DMTN or 2Works, if on the off chance that you are reading this, take notes:

• When they come back they are really going to have to promote like crazy and do a follow up promotion like really soon and simultaneously work on the next album and get that out quickly. They also need to be on an OST.
• Jeesu needs to be hosting or appearing on more variety shows like Star King (Maybe even Simon on Star King because I notice they re-invite idols who are good at a lot of things).
• The vocalists need to appear on 1000 songs challenge (its a popular show even for those that don't follow idols).
• They need their own show so that the general public can become reacquainted with them or appear on an already popular show like Hello Baby, Sesame Player, or We Got Married.
• Youngwon should get into acting.
• Inati should continue acting (it would be awesome if he could have a movie role).
• Simon should continue being featured on songs by other artists and participate in every Idol Olympics (because those things brought a lot of attention to DMTN).
• If Dari is returning I'm not really sure what he could do. He just might be one of those members that don't do anything significant outside of the group. Maybe he can be featured on other songs. He could also befriend more celebrities (all of his friends are either underground peeps or nobodies to the public eye). Maybe he could continue doing mix tapes and be one of those people that do their idol thing and their underground thing (like Block B's Zico).
• I know Dalmates aren't going to approve of this particular idea but it might not be a bad idea to promote a sub-unit. I'm thinking of a duo similar to Tasty that's very strong on the dancing. There's been a trend of subunit duos for girls but there hasn't been any male subunit duos (and Tasty isn't even a subunit). Definitely Simon should be a part of it and another member (I'm thinking Youngwon for some reason because he is similar in height to Simon, he can dance very well, and he can sing). .
• I don't know if Daniel has a future with hosting and acting and that makes me sad, I thought maybe he could participate in some kind of campaign against drug use, but I think that would just make people angry and call him a hypocrite. Instead, he should either lay low or put it out there that while he doesn't condone drug use, he isn't perfect and makes mistakes. Maybe a public apology. Not really sure about what Daniel should do to be honest.

The vocal line DID 1000 Songs Challenge. -_- Not long before the scandal happened. They also appeared as a group on a music showcase show - with Duble Sidekick, since it was a producer special (Janggeun works SO hard for them and I honestly thinks he saves his best songs for them).

 

Inati's been on the Vitamin show (sort of a health education show, from what I could gather; they feature guests from different fields of entertainment and give them thorough physicals and then discuss their results - Intae was in 2nd best shape; the first place person was younger, a frontman for a rock band, a fitness buff, and a musical performer).

 

Jisu and... someone... were on a quiz show.

 

They were doing really, *really* well on the publicity front. 2works was busting their asses to get them proper exposure to the general public, not just kpop fans... and then the scandal happened and basically, all that effort was for nothing.

 

I'm worried that the event in Japan at the end of next month is going to be their 'test run' to see if they can make it work without Daniel. And as much as I adore them, I don't honestly think they can. Dan is the vocal spine of the group. But I wouldn't really be surprised if he decided to withdraw from the group and come back to the States. I don't *want* him to... because I don't see them making it without his voice, and it simply won't feel like Dalmatian without the squishy maknae... but everybody knows by now that him staying makes the road forward much steeper than it already was. And with the flooded industry right now, it's already a steep incline.

 

Now I've just managed to depress myself.

 

 

Edit: Or they'll have to focus promotions for awhile outside of SK... but depending on the verdict for Dan's case, his travel may be heavily restricted... which brings me back to the idea of him leaving.

 

...dammit I thought I saw hope and then I dashed it myself.

 

[Entropy]

The vocal line DID 1000 Songs Challenge. -_- Not long before the scandal happened. They also appeared as a group on a music showcase show - with Duble Sidekick, since it was a producer special (Janggeun works SO hard for them and I honestly thinks he saves his best songs for them).

 

Inati's been on the Vitamin show (sort of a health education show, from what I could gather; they feature guests from different fields of entertainment and give them thorough physicals and then discuss their results - Intae was in 2nd best shape; the first place person was younger, a frontman for a rock band, a fitness buff, and a musical performer).

 

Jisu and... someone... were on a quiz show.

Oh yeah they did to 1000 Songs Challenge. I don't know why that completely slipped my mind. I don't remember the Vitamin show though.

I'm not sure what quiz show you're talking about though. Do you mean Star Golden Bell or 1 vs 100 or was it something else?

Oh yeah and that With Producers show was really good for them. So was Yu Huiyeol's Sketchbook

They need to get on a Gayo Daejun or something. I know they were on there but they didn't make it to the Main Stage. Poor things

I'm worried that the event in Japan at the end of next month is going to be their 'test run' to see if they can make it work without Daniel. And as much as I adore them, I don't honestly think they can. Dan is the vocal spine of the group. But I wouldn't really be surprised if he decided to withdraw from the group and come back to the States. I don't *want* him to... because I don't see them making it without his voice, and it simply won't feel like Dalmatian without the squishy maknae... but everybody knows by now that him staying makes the road forward much steeper than it already was. And with the flooded industry right now, it's already a steep incline.

 

Now I've just managed to depress myself.

 

 

Edit: Or they'll have to focus promotions for awhile outside of SK... but depending on the verdict for Dan's case, his travel may be heavily restricted... which brings me back to the idea of him leaving.

 

...dammit I thought I saw hope and then I dashed it myself.

 

Yeah, if Daniel leaves I can't see DMTN making it either. They might comback without Daniel but I can see them flopping really hard after that.

Maybe they could find another strong vocalist? It wouldn't be hard to find a really good young male vocalist. There is a sea of them out there

I don't think Day Day would want to come back (and Day Day wouldn't be able to fill Dan's shoes anyway because he's not only is he too old but he's also not a singer lol). Simon was the only mystery pre-debut member so its not like they have anyone lined up already that they could ask back.

 

Daniel is the face of DMTN but I think that Simon's popularity has risen so high that he could carry the torch. So even if Daniel leaves I think with Simon being the new face of DMTN + a new vocalist member + Dari then maybe they can make it work. Simon actually has a decent voice its just that he doesn't have any control.   His abdlibs are shit (nobody wants to say it and I have tiptoed around it long enough. I only say it because I care.)

but I think with some additional vocal training he might become a more reliable vocalist because he has a great tone and I see the potential there

Okay, so if they can't make it work without Daniel, I think that would be worse. That might make them drop DMTN completely. Now that makes me depressed.

The only person I can see succeeding outside of DMTN is Simon and maybe Jeesu but that's a stretch. Simon might not even want to go solo. He was doing management so he might decide to go back to Japan and do that (I know that Simon likes Japan better anyway. All of the 1/2 korean 1/2 japanese people I know say they like Japan better)

 

Okay, we gotta stop thinking negatively though. Lets think about the best case scenario.

 

 

And guys, I'm super salty about B1A4's win. Not because I have anything against them but because DMTN have been in the industry for 2 maybe 3 times longer than them and they haven't been close to a win.

[Yerowan]

I'm not sure what quiz show you're talking about though. Do you mean Star Golden Bell or 1 vs 100 or was it something else?

They need to get on a Gayo Daejun or something. I know they were on there but they didn't make it to the Main Stage. Poor things

Yeah, if Daniel leaves I can't see DMTN making it either. They might comback without Daniel but I can see them flopping really hard after that.

Maybe they could find another strong vocalist? It wouldn't be hard to find a really good young male vocalist. There is a sea of them out there

 

Daniel is the face of DMTN but I think that Simon's popularity has risen so high that he could carry the torch. So even if Daniel leaves I think with Simon being the new face of DMTN + a new vocalist member + Dari then maybe they can make it work. Simon actually has a decent voice its just that he doesn't have any control.   His abdlibs are shit (nobody wants to say it and I have tiptoed around it long enough. I only say it because I care.)

but I think with some additional vocal training he might become a more reliable vocalist because he has a great tone and I see the potential there

Okay, so if they can't make it work without Daniel, I think that would be worse. That might make them drop DMTN completely. Now that makes me depressed.

The only person I can see succeeding outside of DMTN is Simon and maybe Jeesu but that's a stretch. Simon might not even want to go solo. He was doing management so he might decide to go back to Japan and do that (I know that Simon likes Japan better anyway. All of the 1/2 korean 1/2 japanese people I know say they like Japan better)

 

Okay, we gotta stop thinking negatively though. Lets think about the best case scenario.

 

 

And guys, I'm super salty about B1A4's win. Not because I have anything against them but because DMTN have been in the industry for 2 maybe 3 times longer than them and they haven't been close to a win.

It might've been 1 vs 100; I don't recall that they got much screen time. =/

 

How does the Gayo Daejun thing work?

 

I'm sure they could find another strong vocalist... but it would also be weird to add someone new at this point. It hasn't turned out well for any group that's done it and it has the potential to backfire, since it throws the group dynamics off. Plus I think it would require another hiatus... while they all familiarize themselves and the new guy settles in and learns everything from scratch. I agree about Simon; he's not considered part of the vocal line for a reason. Which is why I don't think he would do well, solo. His own vocal ability is moderate at best and I don't think he has the cred, ability or even the desire to be a solo hip-hop/rap artist.

 

As for Jisu... I still think his voice is built for harmony, but if he can work on his chest voice and lower range, he could give it a go as a solo artist - his range kind of reminds me of K.Will, come to think of it, though K.Will's always been a solo artist, so he has the training and power that goes with it. 

 

Also not going to argue about B1A4's win. The comments on NB were just full of confusion, because the song wasn't charting well at all, and yet they won over songs that were charting much higher. Something to do with the fanvotes. =/ Banas are a reasonably strong fandom and they might have pulled out all the stops to get that win.

[Entropy]

It might've been 1 vs 100; I don't recall that they got much screen time. =/

 

How does the Gayo Daejun thing work?

 

I'm sure they could find another strong vocalist... but it would also be weird to add someone new at this point. It hasn't turned out well for any group that's done it and it has the potential to backfire, since it throws the group dynamics off. Plus I think it would require another hiatus... while they all familiarize themselves and the new guy settles in and learns everything from scratch. I agree about Simon; he's not considered part of the vocal line for a reason. Which is why I don't think he would do well, solo. His own vocal ability is moderate at best and I don't think he has the cred, ability or even the desire to be a solo hip-hop/rap artist.

 

As for Jisu... I still think his voice is built for harmony, but if he can work on his chest voice and lower range, he could give it a go as a solo artist - his range kind of reminds me of K.Will, come to think of it, though K.Will's always been a solo artist, so he has the training and power that goes with it. 

 

Also not going to argue about B1A4's win. The comments on NB were just full of confusion, because the song wasn't charting well at all, and yet they won over songs that were charting much higher. Something to do with the fanvotes. =/ Banas are a reasonably strong fandom and they might have pulled out all the stops to get that win.

I'm not quite sure how Gayo's work myself. The artists/groups I like are rarely invited so I never really had much interest in them. I don't really think there is a system, they just invite the most popular groups (definitely those from the major 3). Then if anyone decides not to attend they fill them in with either another popular group that is willing to perform another song, or a nugu. As for the awards, I can't remember if they're based on votes but something tells me that they are chosen by Network or the people that plan the show. Hmm maybe it is based on votes, because I clearly remember voting for Block B or something for some type of rookie of the year award (and they didn't win lol).

 

The only time I have seen groups really get thrown off with member changes is when a lot of them leave at once. That's the only time I have seen a group completely disband due to member changes. I have actually seen more groups improve with the addition of a new member. There's not many examples for guy groups, as they usually don't have as much going with member changes, but for girl groups there's been many like Nine Muses, Dal Shabet, Girls Day, and EXID. All have become stronger and more popular with the addition of members. Dal Shabet for example didn't even have any down time at all. As soon as their member Vicki left they brought a replacement in almost immediately. Usually guy groups try to continue on with the members they have left though, girl groups usually find replacements (I have no idea why...maybe just coincidence). I don't want Daniel to leave, but i also don't want DMTN to disband so I was just thinking of a possible solution. Even if they do require a hiatus that's still better than disbanding.

I think we're on the same page about Simon. As for Jeesu, I don't think that its his voice that would inhibit him from going solo. Lots of male soloists have high voices (Justin Timberlake and Jeesu's idols Micheal Jackson and Maxwell) but I really don't think Jeesu has the type of image that's appropriate for a soloist. I just can't see it but maybe I am wrong.

 

I had no idea that B1A4's win was even a controversy. I don't really follow them (I only know one song of theirs "Beautiful Target"), all I know is that they're popular and that BANA's go hard for them. But sorry for bringing it, I really didn't know it was controversial

[Yerowan]

I'm not quite sure how Gayo's work myself. The artists/groups I like are rarely invited so I never really had much interest in them. I don't really think there is a system, they just invite the most popular groups (definitely those from the major 3). Then if anyone decides not to attend they fill them in with either another popular group that is willing to perform another song, or a nugu. As for the awards, I can't remember if they're based on votes but something tells me that they are chosen by Network or the people that plan the show. Hmm maybe it is based on votes, because I clearly remember voting for Block B or something for some type of rookie of the year award (and they didn't win lol).

 

The only time I have seen groups really get thrown off with member changes is when a lot of them leave at once. That's the only time I have seen a group completely disband due to member changes. I have actually seen more groups improve with the addition of a new member. There's not many examples for guy groups, as they usually don't have as much going with member changes, but for girl groups there's been many like Nine Muses, Dal Shabet, Girls Day, and EXID. All have gotten more popular with the addition of members. Dal Shabet for example didn't even have any down time at all. As soon as their member Vicki left they brought a replacement in almost immediately. Usually guy groups try to continue on with the members they have left though, girl groups usually find replacements (I have no idea why...maybe just coincidence). I don't want Daniel to leave, but i also don't want DMTN to disband so I was just thinking of a possible solution. Even if they do require a hiatus that's still better than disbanding.

I think we're on the same page about Simon. As for Jeesu, I don't think that its his voice that would inhibit him from going solo. Lots of male soloists have high voices (Justin Timberlake and Jeesu's idols Micheal Jackson and Maxwell) but I really don't think Jeesu has the type of image that's appropriate for a soloist. I just can't see it but maybe I am wrong.

 

I had no idea that B1A4's win was even a controversy. I don't really follow them (I only know one song of theirs "Beautiful Target"), all I know is that they're popular and that BANA's go hard for them. But sorry for bringing it, I really didn't know it was controversial

 

Oh, I'm not upset that you mentioned it; I just remembered reading a lot of comments that were along the lines of, 'I've never heard this song' and '...but they're charting at 28?' It's the funky rating systems that differ from show to show that throw me off. I don't like the award system. Let the damned music shows be about *gasp* showcasing the music, not about whose fans got the least sleep because they were OCD clicking a vote button on a website or going broke because they bought multiple physical copies of a CD to bump the sales numbers. Viewership for those shows is down because it's almost ALL idols, and if you're not an idol, you have next to no chance to win anything, and people constantly argue about what numbers go into what shows and how those numbers are even calculated and whether or not they were manipulated. Guess what, broadcast networks! No assinine show-only ranking system, no controversy! No pissed off fans hating on other fans or other artists!

 

But they can't even manage to not ban artists for stupid reasons (*cough* Shinhwa SBS *cough*), so I don't foresee them getting their heads out of the asses enough to realize they're better off supporting the music than pitting fans against each other via confusing trophy metrics.

 

 

And I have absolutely no idea about girl group roster changes.   I don't follow any of them. I just know that it's few and far between for male groups. I can only think of DMTN and U-KISS having done it, actually... and as far as I know, there are STILL upset Kissmes about that whole... whatever that was that happened.

[gno]

WOW 1000 days on Memorial Day!! happy 1000 days DMTN, 

 

i feel even more connected to them because is also my birthday lol

 

 

DMTN ia defintely coming back, im pretty sure 2works is not letting the album just get shelved...

[King of Spades]

Sorry I have been absent for a while guys. I have been chilling in the Nine Muses thread, because I was spending so much time here in the DMTN thread. I can't seem to divide my time evenly between NM and DMTN. So excuse me for being late to the discussion.

Oh you're Jeesu biased? I can dig it

Now I am feeling left out because I don't have a bias.

How high is the possibility that they're coming back? I'm nearly 100% sure that they are coming back. Now whats the possibility that they are coming back with Daniel and/or Dari? I'm not 100% sure on that one, and that's the thing I'm worried about. Now that Dari is out of the military I don't want DMTN to be 5 members and I definitely don't want them to be 4 members (that would be the worst case scenario at this point). DMTN is 2works cash cow. Even if they end up being only a 4 membered group, I don't think 2works would abandon them. I could see that happening if DMTN were still rookies but they're too much of an asset to get rid of. Even if 2works dropped them they have enough popularity for another agency to want to sign them. They're probably not able to go independent (free of an agency) like Rain did though.

Oh thanks and for the OP btw. I just realized that you're the thread starter.

Yeah Its like they take 2 steps forward and 1½ steps backward. Something always comes up and makes them lose momentum.

 

Here's what they need to do. DMTN or 2Works, if on the off chance that you are reading this, take notes:

• When they come back they are really going to have to promote like crazy and do a follow up promotion like really soon and simultaneously work on the next album and get that out quickly. They also need to be on an OST.
• Jeesu needs to be hosting or appearing on more variety shows like Star King (Maybe even Simon on Star King because I notice they re-invite idols who are good at a lot of things).
• The vocalists need to appear on 1000 songs challenge (its a popular show even for those that don't follow idols).
• They need their own show so that the general public can become reacquainted with them or appear on an already popular show like Hello Baby, Sesame Player, or We Got Married.
• Youngwon should get into acting.
• Inati should continue acting (it would be awesome if he could have a movie role).
• Simon should continue being featured on songs by other artists and participate in every Idol Olympics (because those things brought a lot of attention to DMTN).
• If Dari is returning I'm not really sure what he could do. He just might be one of those members that don't do anything significant outside of the group. Maybe he can be featured on other songs. He could also befriend more celebrities (all of his friends are either underground peeps or nobodies to the public eye). Maybe he could continue doing mix tapes and be one of those people that do their idol thing and their underground thing (like Block B's Zico).
• I know Dalmates aren't going to approve of this particular idea but it might not be a bad idea to promote a sub-unit. I'm thinking of a duo similar to Tasty that's very strong on the dancing. There's been a trend of subunit duos for girls but there hasn't been any male subunit duos (and Tasty isn't even a subunit). Definitely Simon should be a part of it and another member (I'm thinking Youngwon for some reason because he is similar in height to Simon, he can dance very well, and he can sing). .
• I don't know if Daniel has a future with hosting and acting and that makes me sad, I thought maybe he could participate in some kind of campaign against drug use, but I think that would just make people angry and call him a hypocrite. Instead, he should either lay low or put it out there that while he doesn't condone drug use, he isn't perfect and makes mistakes. Maybe a public apology. Not really sure about what Daniel should do to be honest.

And THIS

 

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I like all your suggestions! 

Lol, we should all write a letter to 2works telling them our advice as Dalmates. Haha. I mean, we do know their email and stuff and it hurts nothing to try 

and it's nothing about me being the OP. Bin aka URIWAGEE was too lazy to do it so he asked me to do it when I asked him when he was gonna remake one, 

 

And guys, I'm super salty about B1A4's win. Not because I have anything against them but because DMTN have been in the industry for 2 maybe 3 times longer than them and they haven't been close to a win.

Ugh, i'm not super salty, but super bitter.   

 

It might've been 1 vs 100; I don't recall that they got much screen time. =/

 

How does the Gayo Daejun thing work?

 

I'm sure they could find another strong vocalist... but it would also be weird to add someone new at this point. It hasn't turned out well for any group that's done it and it has the potential to backfire, since it throws the group dynamics off. Plus I think it would require another hiatus... while they all familiarize themselves and the new guy settles in and learns everything from scratch. I agree about Simon; he's not considered part of the vocal line for a reason. Which is why I don't think he would do well, solo. His own vocal ability is moderate at best and I don't think he has the cred, ability or even the desire to be a solo hip-hop/rap artist.

 

As for Jisu... I still think his voice is built for harmony, but if he can work on his chest voice and lower range, he could give it a go as a solo artist - his range kind of reminds me of K.Will, come to think of it, though K.Will's always been a solo artist, so he has the training and power that goes with it. 

 

Also not going to argue about B1A4's win. The comments on NB were just full of confusion, because the song wasn't charting well at all, and yet they won over songs that were charting much higher. Something to do with the fanvotes. =/ Banas are a reasonably strong fandom and they might have pulled out all the stops to get that win.

Pretty sure for the Gayo that as long you're from big companies, have song(s) that charted well, and have quite a # of fans, you'd be invited for it ..... It broke my heart seeing DMTN just performing on the red-carpet  :sad:

 

and about Daniel leaving/member replacing with a new member .. absolutely no way. I don't think any of the said earlier will work in order to continue on as 'DMTN'. I think at the point, it's either they come back as a whole group, +/- Dari or they disband and venture on to solo projects. I mean, I just don't think it is plausible for them to add in another vocalist with all that has happened to them. The synergy between the members would be unbalanced and bottom-line is, it'll just be too weird. 

 

 

This is just depressing.  :sad:

 

 

WOW 1000 days on Memorial Day!! happy 1000 days DMTN, 

 

i feel even more connected to them because is also my birthday lol

 

 

DMTN ia defintely coming back, im pretty sure 2works is not letting the album just get shelved...

Ooo HAPPY BIRTHDAY GNO!

Hope you're having a fabulous day <3 :D

 

Here's a smiling Simon for you, be happy! 

[gno]

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I like all your suggestions! 

Lol, we should all write a letter to 2works telling them our advice as Dalmates. Haha. I mean, we do know their email and stuff and it hurts nothing to try 

and it's nothing about me being the OP. Bin aka URIWAGEE was too lazy to do it so he asked me to do it when I asked him when he was gonna remake one, 

 

Ugh, i'm not super salty, but super bitter.   

 

Pretty sure for the Gayo that as long you're from big companies, have song(s) that charted well, and have quite a # of fans, you'd be invited for it ..... It broke my heart seeing DMTN just performing on the red-carpet  :sad:

 

and about Daniel leaving/member replacing with a new member .. absolutely no way. I don't think any of the said earlier will work in order to continue on as 'DMTN'. I think at the point, it's either they come back as a whole group, +/- Dari or they disband and venture on to solo projects. I mean, I just don't think it is plausible for them to add in another vocalist with all that has happened to them. The synergy between the members would be unbalanced and bottom-line is, it'll just be too weird. 

 

 

This is just depressing.  :sad:

 

 

Ooo HAPPY BIRTHDAY GNO!

Hope you're having a fabulous day <3 :D

 

Here's a smiling Simon for you, be happy! 

 

thanks :33

 

 

 

SIMON....

 

 

Also Entropy, your suggestions are so good, the only problem is they're reputation has been damaged (despite k-netizens not really giving a f who they r.)

 

but anyways they only thing they can surely do is promote musically to get back lost fans, variety shows, hosting, acting anything that doesn't involve them promoting on music shows, its gonna be very hard for 2works to work them in, because of this scandal.... or it may be easier because, 2works didnt makes a big issue of it, and neither did Daniel, they kept a cool head in all of this, besides their little altercation with AKP (akp gave out false info, and 2works worked their ass to correct it lol)

 

so the damage was pretty minimal to what it could have been if they denied it....but only thing they do without getting hate is to do what they've currently been doing, promoting on music shows....

[Entropy]

Oh, I'm not upset that you mentioned it; I just remembered reading a lot of comments that were along the lines of, 'I've never heard this song' and '...but they're charting at 28?' It's the funky rating systems that differ from show to show that throw me off. I don't like the award system. Let the damned music shows be about *gasp* showcasing the music, not about whose fans got the least sleep because they were OCD clicking a vote button on a website or going broke because they bought multiple physical copies of a CD to bump the sales numbers. Viewership for those shows is down because it's almost ALL idols, and if you're not an idol, you have next to no chance to win anything, and people constantly argue about what numbers go into what shows and how those numbers are even calculated and whether or not they were manipulated. Guess what, broadcast networks! No assinine show-only ranking system, no controversy! No pissed off fans hating on other fans or other artists!

 

But they can't even manage to not ban artists for stupid reasons (*cough* Shinhwa SBS *cough*), so I don't foresee them getting their heads out of the asses enough to realize they're better off supporting the music than pitting fans against each other via confusing trophy metrics.

 

 

And I have absolutely no idea about girl group roster changes.   I don't follow any of them. I just know that it's few and far between for male groups. I can only think of DMTN and U-KISS having done it, actually... and as far as I know, there are STILL upset Kissmes about that whole... whatever that was that happened.

Not only is almost all idols but there's obvious favoritism toward those upper tier idols and idols from bigger companies. I can see why people are put off by it.

I have heard of some of those bigger companies in secret using their money and power unfairly in order to boost a particular artist/group (not exactly ethical but can I fault them?).

 

I think that is why male groups tend to either disband or continue with what members are left. For some reason fans of guy groups tend be less accepting and be more emotional when their bias gets replaced. The reason why Simon was receipted to well was because he was in the original line up, plus I think Dalmates tend to be more chill than fans of some other idols. I don't think that Daniel being replaced by a new member will go over well, but if it comes to that (god forbid) I fear that a lot of Dalmates will leave the fandom .

I'm trying to think of what could be the best case scenario.

We know that Daniel definitely won't be able to participate in the Japan concert. If they have a comeback before the year's end maybe by then everything surrounding Daniel's case will be settled down and he won't have a harsh sentence or be found innocent of his charges, and he will then return to the group.

 

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I like all your suggestions! 

Lol, we should all write a letter to 2works telling them our advice as Dalmates. Haha. I mean, we do know their email and stuff and it hurts nothing to try 

and it's nothing about me being the OP. Bin aka URIWAGEE was too lazy to do it so he asked me to do it when I asked him when he was gonna remake one, 

 

Ugh, i'm not super salty, but super bitter.   

 

Pretty sure for the Gayo that as long you're from big companies, have song(s) that charted well, and have quite a # of fans, you'd be invited for it ..... It broke my heart seeing DMTN just performing on the red-carpet  :sad:

Haha I don't know if I would personally feel comfortable with telling professionals how to manage a group.

I was being cocky with my suggestions but being that they are professionals they probably know a lot better than I do or even Dalmates as whole.

Maybe we should beg them to not let Daniel leave lol.

 

And I thought I was the only one who felt that way about the B1A4 thing. Well it's not that they won, it's just that DMTN haven't been close to winning that annoys me, but honestly I'm at fault. I am not a part of DMTN fancafe, and I don't obsessively vote for them, and I didn't buy 10 copies of each of their albums. There was definitely more I could have done for them

While I was disappointed that they had to perform outside in the snow in front of an unenthusiastic audience, I am happy that they were at least invited to the Gayo Daejun, because they had never been invited before. If they still exist, I can't see them not being invited for 2013 Gayo. Hopefully next time they can perform on the Main Stage, even if its just one song.

[Yerowan]

WOW 1000 days on Memorial Day!! happy 1000 days DMTN, 

 

i feel even more connected to them because is also my birthday lol

 

DMTN ia defintely coming back, im pretty sure 2works is not letting the album just get shelved...

 

Happy Birfday, Gno! *e-hugs!*

*eats birthday cookies for you! ...so many cookies...*

 

I have heard of some of those bigger companies in secret using their money and power unfairly in order to boost a particular artist/group (not exactly ethical but can I fault them?).

 

I think that is why male groups tend to either disband or continue with what members are left. For some reason fans of guy groups tend be less accepting and be more emotional when their bias gets replaced. The reason why Simon was receipted to well was because he was in the original line up, plus I think Dalmates tend to be more chill than fans of some other idols. I don't think that Daniel being replaced by a new member will go over well, but if it comes to that (god forbid) I fear that a lot of Dalmates will leave the fandom .

I'm trying to think of what could be the best case scenario.

We know that Daniel definitely won't be able to participate in the Japan concert. If they have a comeback before the year's end maybe by then everything surrounding Daniel's case will be settled down and he won't have a harsh sentence or be found innocent of his charges, and he will then return to the group.

 

And I thought I was the only one who felt that way about the B1A4 thing. Well it's not that they won, it's just that DMTN haven't been close to winning that annoys me, but honestly I'm at fault. I am not a part of DMTN fancafe, and I don't obsessively vote for them, and I didn't buy 10 copies of each of their albums. There was definitely more I could have done for them

While I was disappointed that they had to perform outside in the snow in front of an unenthusiastic audience, I am happy that they were at least invited to the Gayo Daejun, because they had never been invited before. If they still exist, I can't see them not being invited for 2013 Gayo. Hopefully next time they can perform on the Main Stage, even if its just one song.

 

Well, we know that sometimes the big companies are in bed with the networks - thus why JYJ can't promote on any of the music shows. I read an article that talked about music show PDs and how managers and agents for idols and companies have to curry favor to assure their artists get airtime to actually perform. It's quite ridiculous. I'll edit to link it, if I can find it again. http://netizenbuzz.blogspot.com/2013/03/behind-scenes-of-music-programs-singers.html

 

 

I would wager that guy groups tend to have more female fans, and we're an obsessive bunch.   It also helped with Simon that he's gorgeous and that David left on good terms (and frankly, he seemed unhappy in a lot of their interviews and shows), so it wasn't a case of Dalmates questioning the change so much. We've already lost some fans over this scandal, but I figure if smoking pot is going to be a deal-breaker for someone, that person is in for a rude awakening when they get out into the world.

 

As for Dan... he won't be found innocent; he's already pled guilty. The best we can hope for is that he only gets fined. His next court date is in about a week.

 

As for being able to do more... I can't afford to pay for shipping on *one* physical album, forget half a dozen of them. Music awards should *also* be given based on quality and critical reception, not sales. They have silver and gold and platinum rankings to mark sales... awards shouldn't be markers of popularity, but of substance. I get the impression that korean music award shows are almost all the equivalent of the VMAs and MTV MA shows here (fancy popularity contests), rather than the Grammys.

[Punk Princess]

Happy Birfday, Gno! *e-hugs!*

*eats birthday cookies for you! ...so many cookies...*

 

 

Well, we know that sometimes the big companies are in bed with the networks - thus why JYJ can't promote on any of the music shows. I read an article that talked about music show PDs and how managers and agents for idols and companies have to curry favor to assure their artists get airtime to actually perform. It's quite ridiculous. I'll edit to link it, if I can find it again. http://netizenbuzz.blogspot.com/2013/03/behind-scenes-of-music-programs-singers.html

 

 

I would wager that guy groups tend to have more female fans, and we're an obsessive bunch.   It also helped with Simon that he's gorgeous and that David left on good terms (and frankly, he seemed unhappy in a lot of their interviews and shows), so it wasn't a case of Dalmates questioning the change so much. We've already lost some fans over this scandal, but I figure if smoking pot is going to be a deal-breaker for someone, that person is in for a rude awakening when they get out into the world.

 

As for Dan... he won't be found innocent; he's already pled guilty. The best we can hope for is that he only gets fined. His next court date is in about a week.

 

As for being able to do more... I can't afford to pay for shipping on *one* physical album, forget half a dozen of them. Music awards should *also* be given based on quality and critical reception, not sales. They have silver and gold and platinum rankings to mark sales... awards shouldn't be markers of popularity, but of substance. I get the impression that korean music award shows are almost all the equivalent of the VMAs and MTV MA shows here (fancy popularity contests), rather than the Grammys.

 

I hate the way the entertainment scene in korean is ran. Its seems nice and perfect on the outside,but its a dark and shady place. Like Jay Park said. I felt so bad for JYJ. I hope they dont do the same thing for DMTN,Daniel admitted to doing it and he's paying for it. 

 

I was heartbroken when he said he was guilty. But at the same time i can accept it because he's being an adult about it and he's not wasting people time by lying about it so hey. Unlike SOME people we know that wont come to court and just pay the consequences. *coughbiancacough* Im praying they least they give him is a fine...or house arrest,im fine with both. Oh,you thought people were overreacting,on allkpop i was defending daniel left and right because you have idiots saying"Weed kills you" or,"It causes brain damage". I understand it does does somethings to your brain,but they were acting like he's been smoking it forever. I hate for half of them to come to america or get in a debate with someone who pro-weed.( Like me). 

 

I honestly have lost a creditably to music awards shows in korean,period. MAMA most of all. Its just a bunch of crazy ass fandoms getting together to vote for people that DONT deserve it. If DMTN was in a list,hell yeah i vote. I love my BIG BANG,but last year SHINHWA should've won for best male group. I just dont take them seriously.  

[Punk Princess]

P.S. HAPPY BELATED TO YOU Gno!~ Sorry i didnt know. lol Hope you had fun. ^^

[Entropy]

Well, we know that sometimes the big companies are in bed with the networks - thus why JYJ can't promote on any of the music shows. I read an article that talked about music show PDs and how managers and agents for idols and companies have to curry favor to assure their artists get airtime to actually perform. It's quite ridiculous. I'll edit to link it, if I can find it again. http://netizenbuzz.blogspot.com/2013/03/behind-scenes-of-music-programs-singers.html

I really hope these injustices become fully exposed and dealt with.

As for the article, I'm not surprised. The PD's are doing too much. The public should raise hell at the networks and make them drop those PD's. If people boycott the networks they have no choice other than to get rid of them and hire new PD's that actually have a shred of decency and moral compass.

 

 

 

I would wager that guy groups tend to have more female fans, and we're an obsessive bunch.   It also helped with Simon that he's gorgeous and that David left on good terms (and frankly, he seemed unhappy in a lot of their interviews and shows), so it wasn't a case of Dalmates questioning the change so much. We've already lost some fans over this scandal, but I figure if smoking pot is going to be a deal-breaker for someone, that person is in for a rude awakening when they get out into the world.

 

As for Dan... he won't be found innocent; he's already pled guilty. The best we can hope for is that he only gets fined. His next court date is in about a week.

 

As for being able to do more... I can't afford to pay for shipping on *one* physical album, forget half a dozen of them. Music awards should *also* be given based on quality and critical reception, not sales. They have silver and gold and platinum rankings to mark sales... awards shouldn't be markers of popularity, but of substance. I get the impression that korean music award shows are almost all the equivalent of the VMAs and MTV MA shows here (fancy popularity contests), rather than the Grammys.

 

 

I'd rather those ex-dalmates leave the fandom than become an anti-fan. I can understand why they wouldn't want continue supporting DMTN but I am thankful for the fans that choose to stay.

 

LOL as you can see I know very little about law and the judicial system. I've actually learned a few things thanks to Daniel's case. Okay, lets just hope he gets a fine.

 

I was exaggerating a lot about being able to do more. I do believe I could have did more but I'm not buying 10 albums...that's just not going to happen. I won't even buy 2 unless I'm getting one as a gift for somebody.

[fabulousdalmate]

 

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[Yerowan]

 

cr: donqlims (twitter)

AMG THERE'S A HYUNGJUN IN THOSE PICTURES

 

SS501 bias feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeels!

[Yerowan]

I hate the way the entertainment scene in korean is ran. Its seems nice and perfect on the outside,but its a dark and shady place. Like Jay Park said. I felt so bad for JYJ. I hope they dont do the same thing for DMTN,Daniel admitted to doing it and he's paying for it. 

 

I was heartbroken when he said he was guilty. But at the same time i can accept it because he's being an adult about it and he's not wasting people time by lying about it so hey. Unlike SOME people we know that wont come to court and just pay the consequences. *coughbiancacough* Im praying they least they give him is a fine...or house arrest,im fine with both. Oh,you thought people were overreacting,on allkpop i was defending daniel left and right because you have idiots saying"Weed kills you" or,"It causes brain damage". I understand it does does somethings to your brain,but they were acting like he's been smoking it forever. I hate for half of them to come to america or get in a debate with someone who pro-weed.( Like me). 

 

I honestly have lost a creditably to music awards shows in korean,period. MAMA most of all. Its just a bunch of crazy ass fandoms getting together to vote for people that DONT deserve it. If DMTN was in a list,hell yeah i vote. I love my BIG BANG,but last year SHINHWA should've won for best male group. I just dont take them seriously.  

Well, there's some evidence that pot can have some of the same effects as smoking cigarettes... except A) Cigarettes are perfectly legal and B) Very few people can afford to smoke as much weed as anybody smokes cigarettes, so the sheer intake of chemicals (and thus the effects OF those chemicals) is dramatically lower.   There doesn't seem to be a consensus other than 'maybe, but cigarettes are still *far* worse, just on sheer volume.'

 

I think much like the US, SK only has one or two award shows that are considered 'serious.' We have the Oscars and the Grammys for film and music respectively (plus the Tonys for theatre and the Emmys for television). And I'm pretty sure none of those have anything to do with fan votes... because fans are stupid and uninformed, generally. Not that all critics are paragons of virtue and neutrality by any means, but it's not one critic making a decision, either.

 

 

I really hope these injustices become fully exposed and dealt with.

As for the article, I'm not surprised. The PD's are doing too much. The public should raise hell at the networks and make them drop those PD's. If people boycott the networks they have no choice other than to get rid of them and hire new PD's that actually have a shred of decency and moral compass.

 

I don't have a lot of hope about the situation. They have too much power; anybody put into that position that's actually qualified for it already knows what's expected and will probably just follow suit. =/ 

 

Also bugs me that apparently two of the broadcast networks are government owned... and just as corrupt as the privately owned one (SBS, I think).

 

And it's not just the music shows; look at the Idol Athletic Championships. There are rumors that if a group is difficult or was hesitant to sign on for it, they got their screen time cut. Even groups that were eliminated early had to hang around all day, just to do the final farewell thing at the end of the event. Idols get injured every year. And just like music shows, they're losing money by being there - the hope is that they do well, get screen time, get public exposure, and that it pays off eventually. I don't think it's worth it. If you're athletic and proud of it, there are other ways to show it - Dream Team, Running Man specials. Establishing teams like Simon, Junsu, Hyunjoong, etc. I kind of thing that if an athletic brand is going to reach out to sponsor a group, they would rather sponsor a group that is *actually* athletic, and not just pretending to be on TV for one event a year.

[fabulousdalmate]

Happy Birthday dear boy, Simon!

 

[ItzMadame2U]

 

cr: donqlims (twitter)

 

He's soooo cute!!! Look at how small Simon is in comparison to some. Awww and in the first pic I see him making frands!! <333 My bby!!!!

 

 

Happy Birthday dear boy, Simon!

 

OMG!! Did you make this video yourself? This is so amazing!!!! Good job!!! I truly hope he sees it!!!!!

 

 

 

 

Anyhoo, goodnight folks!!!!! ^_^

[fabulousdalmate]

He's soooo cute!!! Look at how small Simon is in comparison to some. Awww and in the first pic I see him making frands!! <333 My bby!!!!

 

 

OMG!! Did you make this video yourself? This is so amazing!!!! Good job!!! I truly hope he sees it!!!!!

 

 

 

 

Anyhoo, goodnight folks!!!!! ^_^

 i didnt realize until u mention it. haha. yeah, he looks a little bit small compare to others

2nd pic,nice legs. haha

 

yes, i made it myself. really? aw, thank u  

i was worried that people will find it boring or not good, coz im not that creative  and this is my first time doing something like that.

im really glad that u like it. it means a lot. haha. 

yeah, me too. i hope that he will watch it and read all the messages by dalmates for him  

[King of Spades]

Happy Birthday dear boy, Simon!

 

i didnt realize until u mention it. haha. yeah, he looks a little bit small compare to others

2nd pic,nice legs. haha

 

yes, i made it myself. really? aw, thank u  

i was worried that people will find it boring or not good, coz im not that creative  and this is my first time doing something like that.

im really glad that u like it. it means a lot. haha. 

yeah, me too. i hope that he will watch it and read all the messages by dalmates for him

Omgg  YAY! I love your lil captions, it's so adorable <3 Very creative and extremely well-made and definitely not boring at all! I hope that Simon oppa sees it   

 

thank you once again for doing this <3

[Punk Princess]

He's soooo cute!!! Look at how small Simon is in comparison to some. Awww and in the first pic I see him making frands!! <333 My bby!!!!

 

 

OMG!! Did you make this video yourself? This is so amazing!!!! Good job!!! I truly hope he sees it!!!!!

 

 

 

 

Anyhoo, goodnight folks!!!!! ^_^

 

LOL,i never noticed how short he was til these photos came out. But most likely he's still taller than me because everyone else is. XD 

 

Im so proud im the first message he'll see. Bragging rights. No,other dalmates messages were better than mines. XD

[Punk Princess]

 i didnt realize until u mention it. haha. yeah, he looks a little bit small compare to others

2nd pic,nice legs. haha

 

yes, i made it myself. really? aw, thank u  

i was worried that people will find it boring or not good, coz im not that creative  and this is my first time doing something like that.

im really glad that u like it. it means a lot. haha. 

yeah, me too. i hope that he will watch it and read all the messages by dalmates for him

 You did an amazing job with the video hun! Im so proud for you!~ <3 <3 

[fabulousdalmate]

 You did an amazing job with the video hun! Im so proud for you!~ <3 <3 

 

thank you so much! i spent the whole two weeks to make the video. to make it perfect

and its all worth it. im so glad that you like it. i feel so relieved and satisfied. 

now i should get back to my books. study for finals exam. haha

simon distracts me from studying -_-!!

 

Omgg  YAY! I love your lil captions, it's so adorable <3 Very creative and extremely well-made and definitely not boring at all! I hope that Simon oppa sees it   

 

thank you once again for doing this <3

 

you're most welcome. that's all i can do for him and the dalmates

and thank you. thank you. im so touched that people actually like the video

all my hard work has paid off. haha. *not sure if it can be called as "hard work" haha

 

yeah, i pray that we will watch it.maybe i should spam him with the video link. hahaha *evil laugh

[gno]

OMG I FEEL EVEN MORE CONNECTED TO SIMON, WE'RE BOTH GEMINI'S.

 

WE WERE MEANT TO BE TOGETHER 

 

 

 

HAPPY B-DAY SIMON!!!