Is Pledis not in debt anymore?

[Bosnia_HyunaLover <3]

Seventeen is selling 300k every comeback and slays left and right, the public loves them

Pristin is getting those rookie awards and rises day by day

Nana is still relevant

Nuest was literally reborn last year

They had a solo artist that reached 1M downloads last year iirc?

 

I hope they are out of the shitty situation now and they started earning money because their artists deserve everything + TREAT YOUR ARTISTS THE WAY THEY DESERVE IT!

[fartsniffer]

This is all shaping up towards an AS/OC comeback

[MEANIE~]

I think Pledis is not in debt anymore

Given that SVT,NU'EST W,PRISTIN are all producing the songs solely on themselves,so the expenses are low

 

And I heard Pledis had surplus last year due to NU'EST W and SVT

[Seunghee's eyebrows]

I don't even know what to think anymore about Pledis. If anyone wants to know how to mis-treat your veteran artists then look at Pledis. After School have been in their basement since 2013.

[milkcafe]

This is all shaping up towards an AS/OC comeback

 

one can only hope

[maxxie]

I don't think they were ever in debt. They used that as an excuse for the AS and OC hiatus, but we see less popular artists from companies a lot smaller than Pledis getting comebacks often.

[miyoo]

This is all shaping up towards an AS/OC comeback

 

If only this could be true. Unfortunately.. I don't think so :(

[Aquamaraqua]

I don't think they were ever in debt. They used that as an excuse for the AS and OC hiatus, but we see less popular artists from companies a lot smaller than Pledis getting comebacks often.

 

Fresh, hot tea.

[RRR98]

Now to get better management

[Krin28]

Weren't they actually in debt? The reason NUEST got stuck in Japan was also because of their debt as well as AS, then came Seventeen's cheap ass debut mv then started to gain more popularity, then PD101 came and the rest is history. Personally, I actually think Pledis has the capability to make AS comeback, but from a business standpoint, are they willing to risk and spend money for them? Most AS fans only rant on twitter like "AS needs to comeback !!" then proceeds to not support them at all. If Pledis can have a little more money to spare (maybe when PRISTIN establishes themselves, as well as SVT and the rebirth of NUEST w/ Minhyun's return), maybe they'd try.

[fenomena94]

honestly i think pledis is trying to avoid taking risk with after school. sure people rant here and there on twitter asking for as/oc comeback but literally no one come and support when raina made a comeback last july.

[heyitsmira]

I don't even know what to think anymore about Pledis. If anyone wants to know how to mis-treat your veteran artists then look at Pledis. After School have been in their basement since 2013.

 

Not to be that person, but some AS members don't look like they want to come back as idols atm, specially Nana (and Lizzy, to an extent). Could still happen, but they have literally 5 members atm and Nana as found her new path in acting.

 

Who knows tho. But I knew Pledis had kinda given up when they spent all their trainees in Pristin (instead of adding them to AS, but I was never a fan of graduation systems anyway).

 

I don't think they were ever in debt. They used that as an excuse for the AS and OC hiatus, but we see less popular artists from companies a lot smaller than Pledis getting comebacks often.

They were actually really in debt at a certain point. Everything got SUPER cheap at a certain point in time, and Seventeen was expensive af without bringing any income in. Per exemple, Loona atm brings some kind of income to BBC (even if not huge yet) bc they sell albums, have some CFs and have fansign events despite being trainees (money is clearly not the problem for that CEO as well ), while Seventeen spent years getting a good chunk of their income to a point where they thought maybe they wouldn't debut at all.

 

That beind said, I doubt they're still in debt rn. Seventeen has good sales since their first year and they're almost a 3 year group rn, with lots of concerts, fanmeetings and tours made already (+ huge amount of album sales), they even give random high quality MVs nowadays so clearly, Pledis is ok. NU'EST rising and Nana renewing were also really reassuring for their income. They had a bit of a drop on Pristin's physical sales during Schxxl Out, but they still have lots of potential to rise.

 

They are still learning on lots of stuff and will have to work fast since all fandoms complain about comebacks and promos constantly now, but they did change the way they treated certain acts to a "better" management, so I am relatively positive. My delulu self wants at least OC back tho, even if just once

[Seunghee's eyebrows]

Not to be that person, but some AS members don't look like they want to come back as idols atm, specially Nana (and Lizzy, to an extent). Could still happen, but they have literally 5 members atm and Nana as found her new path in acting.

 

Who knows tho. But I knew Pledis had kinda given up when they spent all their trainees in Pristin (instead of adding them to AS, but I was never a fan of graduation systems anyway).

 

Sorry but Nana stated her intention to have an After School comeback when she re-signed with Pledis. She said she wants to be both a singer and an actress. Lizzy has called out Pledis several times for not giving them a comeback and same goes with Raina.

[Amorria]

I don't think their debt is actual anymore. But I also doubt After School/Orange Caramel will have a comeback - Pledis will probably focus on Seventeen/Pristin/N'UEST W for as long as they're popular and making money. AS are on hiatus for almost 5 years, they lost several members and most of new k-pop fans may not recognize them - not to mention a lot of people prefers cuter concepts nowadays. And remaining members asked Pledis for a comeback many times...

[Akidoki]

Well they have two popular boy groups, nana's cf deals and acting jobs, a rising rookie girl group. I am pretty sure that they must have covered the debt long time ago.

[Animeuver]

Weren't they actually in debt? The reason NUEST got stuck in Japan was also because of their debt as well as AS, then came Seventeen's cheap ass debut mv then started to gain more popularity, then PD101 came and the rest is history. Personally, I actually think Pledis has the capability to make AS comeback, but from a business standpoint, are they willing to risk and spend money for them? Most AS fans only rant on twitter like "AS needs to comeback !!" then proceeds to not support them at all. If Pledis can have a little more money to spare (maybe when PRISTIN establishes themselves, as well as SVT and the rebirth of NUEST w/ Minhyun's return), maybe they'd try.

 

Not really. Keep in mind that Pledis is a small family, so when you start off you're bound to wind up in deficit. I don't really recall but the last time I heard that they're facing actual reds was wayyyy back in 2011/2012. NU'EST got stuck in Japan might be because of their debt to Pledis, but Pledis as a whole has left the deficit a while back to be able to upgrade their building in 2013/2014. Not to mention they used to run a cafe business (coffee chu) that didn't do well and shut it down to avoid running long term, needless debt.

 

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It's true that Pledis always had little resources, and the most worrying one isn't money as much as it is manpower. A lot of pledis management is slow and at one point nu'est and svt were sharing managers and same team of people. It's more of a planning and manpower thing than it is a financial problem right now. Rather then say pledis has no money to invest in their members (if you look at the BTS of pledis promos and stuff, they are pretty cost efficient in making things look more expensive than it seemed. This set brought out this result.), it's really true that Pledis wants to lower risks as much as possible.

 

It pains me when people don't seem to support the individual AS members' schedules while calling for AS comebacks. If there's one thing I learned from stanning NU'EST, it's that if you don't show results, the artistes themselves have a hard time coming back. They tried to push Raina a few times but if she can't hit another Midsummer Night Dream, she's not going to get as much opportunities unless she composes her own songs, which she is trying to do right now. 

 

NU'EST wouldn't have W releases if fans didn't push their songs into top 100 after Produce. And after that it shows time and time again that Pledis is cautious about investing with delayed releases due to shortage of items. This is why fans try so hard to chart and buy albums because we're just paranoid that if we don't do as well, they're going back to the dungeons. :/

 

Either way, pledis definitely had their pool of financial resources for a long time. With the number of CFs uee and nana were pulling in earlier on, there's no doubt they've been earning enough to stay afloat, and of course now with more artistes earning, to accumulate more investment funds for future releases of any artiste. 

[Akidoki]

Not really. Keep in mind that Pledis is a small family, so when you start off you're bound to wind up in deficit. I don't really recall but the last time I heard that they're facing actual reds was wayyyy back in 2011/2012. NU'EST got stuck in Japan might be because of their debt to Pledis, but Pledis as a whole has left the deficit a while back to be able to upgrade their building in 2013/2014. Not to mention they used to run a cafe business (coffee chu) that didn't do well and shut it down to avoid running long term, needless debt.

 

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It's true that Pledis always had little resources, and the most worrying one isn't money as much as it is manpower. A lot of pledis management is slow and at one point nu'est and svt were sharing managers and same team of people. It's more of a planning and manpower thing than it is a financial problem right now. Rather then say pledis has no money to invest in their members (if you look at the BTS of pledis promos and stuff, they are pretty cost efficient in making things look more expensive than it seemed. This set brought out this result.), it's really true that Pledis wants to lower risks as much as possible.

 

It pains me when people don't seem to support the individual AS members' schedules while calling for AS comebacks. If there's one thing I learned from stanning NU'EST, it's that if you don't show results, the artistes themselves have a hard time coming back. They tried to push Raina a few times but if she can't hit another Midsummer Night Dream, she's not going to get as much opportunities unless she composes her own songs, which she is trying to do right now.

 

NU'EST wouldn't have W releases if fans didn't push their songs into top 100 after Produce. And after that it shows time and time again that Pledis is cautious about investing with delayed releases due to shortage of items. This is why fans try so hard to chart and buy albums because we're just paranoid that if we don't do as well, they're going back to the dungeons. :/

 

Either way, pledis definitely had their pool of financial resources for a long time. With the number of CFs uee and nana were pulling in earlier on, there's no doubt they've been earning enough to stay afloat, and of course now with more artistes earning, to accumulate more investment funds for future releases of any artiste.

Wow pledis was able to get that official pic from that set? I am amazed.

 

I agree with you, the problem with pledis is a lack of staff and their unwillingness to take risks. But I understand why they are hesitant. Afterschool was never that popular anyway and with kahi, jung ah and uee gone, only the less popular members and orange caramel are left. And nana"s hype has also died down so with all honesty it doesn't make sense for an afterschool comeback. Maybe they could have a comeback for the sake of nostalgia at least but everyone and pledis knows that it's not going to do well financially.

Of course fans are also to blame because most of them are all talk but don't do much to actually show support.

[Nanandmilk]

I don't think they were ever in debt. They used that as an excuse for the AS and OC hiatus, but we see less popular artists from companies a lot smaller than Pledis getting comebacks often.

 

This is exactly what I was going to comment. I fee like they just had no money they wanted to give to AS or OC.

[Nanandmilk]

Weren't they actually in debt? The reason NUEST got stuck in Japan was also because of their debt as well as AS, then came Seventeen's cheap ass debut mv then started to gain more popularity, then PD101 came and the rest is history. Personally, I actually think Pledis has the capability to make AS comeback, but from a business standpoint, are they willing to risk and spend money for them? Most AS fans only rant on twitter like "AS needs to comeback !!" then proceeds to not support them at all. If Pledis can have a little more money to spare (maybe when PRISTIN establishes themselves, as well as SVT and the rebirth of NUEST w/ Minhyun's return), maybe they'd try.

 

That is such a lie... Where do you get that we don't support?  First After School has been in hiatus for a long time and in that time After School still gets new fans (I came in 2013) and them buying albums doesn't benefit AS much now. We definietly support AS don't try that mess with us.

[Nanandmilk]

honestly i think pledis is trying to avoid taking risk with after school. sure people rant here and there on twitter asking for as/oc comeback but literally no one come and support when raina made a comeback last july.

 

Are you sure? Or were you just not looking? We made our own PM to vote for her on melon, we made countless threads, we bought her album. Like everyone loves to say that fans don't support but we do... 

[Krin28]

That is such a lie... Where do you get that we don't support?  First After School has been in hiatus for a long time and in that time After School still gets new fans (I came in 2013) and them buying albums doesn't benefit AS much now. We definietly support AS don't try that mess with us.

I actually know a couple of AS fans who do that and some who don't (which is why is said most, but not all). If Pledis cannot feel that AS has no support from their fans anymore, why bother to even spend money especially when they do not think that they profit? At least with the Nana CFs and her acting career, they could rake in money. I think Pledis was being too calculative that they thought AS cannot come back anymore, thinking it would be too risky to make a girl group who hasn't came back in years to be active again. Not to mention the said "drama" between UEE and Nana that time. Now that the members wants to come back as a group, Pledis isn't giving it to them because they think it's illogical to resurrect them (despite having the capability now)

[Nanandmilk]

I actually know a couple of AS fans who do that and some who don't (which is why is said most, but not all). If Pledis cannot feel that AS has no support from their fans anymore, why bother to even spend money especially when they do not think that they profit? At least with the Nana CFs and her acting career, they could rake in money. I think Pledis was being too calculative that they thought AS cannot come back anymore, thinking it would be too risky to make a girl group who hasn't came back in years to be active again. Not to mention the said "drama" between UEE and Nana that time. Now that the members wants to come back as a group, Pledis isn't giving it to them because they think it's illogical to resurrect them (despite having the capability now)

 

It's not fair that you say most of us tho, every fandom has those people.

[Aquamaraqua]

honestly i think pledis is trying to avoid taking risk with after school. sure people rant here and there on twitter asking for as/oc comeback but literally no one come and support when raina made a comeback last july.

 

Except if you were on the main thread and on Twitter you'd see that there were people supporting? Including buying the physical copy? Don't try to shade Playgirlz for your fav's company being shitty to After School.

 

AS have one of the most supportive fandoms for girl groups. They've outsold the likes of SISTAR physically.

[Aquamaraqua]

Not to be that person, but some AS members don't look like they want to come back as idols atm, specially Nana (and Lizzy, to an extent). Could still happen, but they have literally 5 members atm and Nana as found her new path in acting.

 

Here you go

 

https://onehallyu.com/topic/552240-compilation-of-after-school-members-stating-they-want-to-have-a-comeback-2015-present/

 

There's another one Nana recently stated *again* which isn't on there as this was made a few months ago.

[Aquamaraqua]

Wow pledis was able to get that official pic from that set? I am amazed.

 

I agree with you, the problem with pledis is a lack of staff and their unwillingness to take risks. But I understand why they are hesitant. Afterschool was never that popular anyway and with kahi, jung ah and uee gone, only the less popular members and orange caramel are left. And nana"s hype has also died down so with all honesty it doesn't make sense for an afterschool comeback. Maybe they could have a comeback for the sake of nostalgia at least but everyone and pledis knows that it's not going to do well financially.

Of course fans are also to blame because most of them are all talk but don't do much to actually show support.

 

"Never that popular anyway" Dude. You seriously don't know a thing about After School. AS's comeback with First Love did better than any NU'EST comeback in 2016. AS have always outsold NU'EST digitally and have close numbers physically despite being a girl group, yet NU'EST got comebacks post Seventeen rather than After School. This is not to mention their individual revenue and even OC revenue, as well as Japanese/touring revenue.

 

After School are one of the highest selling girl groups digitally, which is why Because of You won a triple crown and brought up their popularity to rival T-ARA and if they continued even SNSD. They have some of the strongest physical sales as well for 2nd gen girl groups.

 

Don't make up facts because you're not assed to research.

 

Nana's hype also has just taken off even further thanks to her acting career. After Yoona she's the second highest paid idol actress in South Korea as of 2017.

 

As for AS wanting a comeback themselves, it's been in the works since 2015 but the new CEO does not want them to comeback, "understandable" I guess since he had no part in forming them. But they themselves DO want to comeback. https://onehallyu.com/topic/552240-compilation-of-after-school-members-stating-they-want-to-have-a-comeback-2015-present/