Blinkers 3,846 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 I just read an information from god of Japanese Entertainment industry that Oricon is not credible and out of touch for years, I don't follow Jpop so I don't know that and I feel that I've been lied to for all these years reading news of top Kpop groups sales like Big Bang, SNSD, EXO, BTS, Twice, BlackPink, etc. from Oricon. In Kpop you have Gaon for shipping sales and Hanteo for real time sales, so what are the equivalent of that in Japanese physical sales if Oricon is not credible and out of touch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deea 6,754 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 I just read an information from god of Japanese Entertainment industry that Oricon is not credible and out of touch for years, I don't follow Jpop so I don't know that and I feel that I've been lied to for all these years reading news of top Kpop groups sales like Big Bang, SNSD, EXO, BTS, Twice, BlackPink, etc. from Oricon. In Kpop you have Gaon for shipping sales and Hanteo for real time sales, so what are the equivalent of that in Japanese physical sales if Oricon is not credible and out of touch? I guess your faves albums sales are not credible right? https://www.allkpop.com/article/2017/09/black-pink-tops-oricon-weekly-album-chart-following-their-hot-japanese-debut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blank 5,822 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 “god of Japanese Entertainment industry “ This sarcasm though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blinkers 3,846 Posted December 23, 2017 Author Share Posted December 23, 2017 I guess your faves albums sales are not credible right? https://www.allkpop.com/article/2017/09/black-pink-tops-oricon-weekly-album-chart-following-their-hot-japanese-debut That is why I am asking what is it that they think are credible if Oricon is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isluffy 886 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 this user is a troll but I have to agree with his thread today “god of Japanese Entertainment industry “ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaJetée 21,675 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 I just read an information from god of Japanese Entertainment industry that Oricon is not credible and out of touch for years, I don't follow Jpop so I don't know that and I feel that I've been lied to for all these years reading news of top Kpop groups sales like Big Bang, SNSD, EXO, BTS, Twice, BlackPink, etc. from Oricon. In Kpop you have Gaon for shipping sales and Hanteo for real time sales, so what are the equivalent of that in Japanese physical sales if Oricon is not credible and out of touch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanaWanna 2,486 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 lel i actually loled so hard after reading the first sentence. i don't like you OP but still, better than the Japanese god anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JENNIE'S OPPA 3,082 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Who is this god? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojiri 2,925 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 "god of Japanese Entertainment industry"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidguy 2,527 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 It's either Oricon or Billboard Japan. Oricon has dumb rules set in place to counteract bulk buying, also they only display the daily sale count for the top 3 of each day. Billboard Japan's been better at charting stuff imo, but of course you've got bulk buying to deal with. Billboard also has more sales estimates for physical. Sometimes you have some weird clashing where sales don't exactly line up though between Oricon and Billboard, because they don't necessarily check all the same places for sales. I think there's been cases where Oricon's sales numbers were higher than Billboard, even though it's usually the other way around. I can't recall what it was for though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godblessdelulu 2,919 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 what for? are you going to discredit someone ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blinkers 3,846 Posted December 23, 2017 Author Share Posted December 23, 2017 It's either Oricon or Billboard Japan. Oricon has dumb rules set in place to counteract bulk buying, also they only display the daily sale count for the top 3 of each day. Billboard Japan's been better at charting stuff imo, but of course you've got bulk buying to deal with. Billboard also has more sales estimates for physical. Sometimes you have some weird clashing where sales don't exactly line up though between Oricon and Billboard, because they don't necessarily check all the same places for sales. I think there's been cases where Oricon's sales numbers were higher than Billboard, even though it's usually the other way around. I can't recall if that was for music or not though. So you think Billboard is more credible than Oricon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaJetée 21,675 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 y'all may want to read through this thread for context https://onehallyu.com/topic/624658-soompi-twice-becomes-first-foreign-female-artist-to-achieve-triple-crown-on-oricon-chart/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldfinch 7,070 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 isn't it always complanings about gimmicks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Jung 19,680 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 what for? are you going to discredit someone ? Or create a thread to stir shit i expect nothing less tbh these dumb trolls only exists for those kind of purposes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody12345hehe 285 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 god of Japanese Entertainment industry lol I immediately knew who you were referring to ^-^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freya 7,202 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 I already know without context who this God is lmaooo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody12345hehe 285 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Who is this god? https://onehallyu.com/topic/624658-soompi-twice-becomes-first-foreign-female-artist-to-achieve-triple-crown-on-oricon-chart/Read the 7th reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blinkers 3,846 Posted December 23, 2017 Author Share Posted December 23, 2017 what for? are you going to discredit someone ? I genuinely asking a question, why are you guys not contribute to the discussion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidguy 2,527 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 So you think Billboard is more credible than Oricon? They both have positives and negatives and they're sufficiently different from one another that it'd be best to look at both of them. I'm lazy though, and don't care enough about sales to obsess over it so I just check the oricon thread whenever there's an update posted since I'm already on this forum. Occasionally I'll look at the Billboard charts. Billboard is arguably more comprehensive, but they also incorporate youtube views and twitter into their Hot 100 calculations, so I don't know how much credit you want to put into that kind of stuff. EDIT: If you want an example of the dumb inconsistencies that happen between Billboard and Oricon: As of writing this, currently, for Billboard, J Soul Brothers has a reported sold estimate of 105k, while on Oricon, the estimate is at 141k. For Snuper, on Billboard, they have a reported sold estimate of 71k, while on Oricon, the estimate is at 33k. And this is why people shouldn't be obsessing over charts, because even they can't it get it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satzurised 404 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 this user is a troll but I have to agree with his thread today “god of Japanese Entertainment industry “ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aigoo 981 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 I just read an information from god of Japanese Entertainment industry that Oricon is not credible and out of touch for years, I don't follow Jpop so I don't know that and I feel that I've been lied to for all these years reading news of top Kpop groups sales like Big Bang, SNSD, EXO, BTS, Twice, BlackPink, etc. from Oricon. In Kpop you have Gaon for shipping sales and Hanteo for real time sales, so what are the equivalent of that in Japanese physical sales if Oricon is not credible and out of touch? Do you means this guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JihyoStoleMyHeartAYAYAY 22,189 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsh21 203 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Oricon takes sales record from more stores compared to billboard while billboard use extrapolation to predict total sales. (If i'm not mistaken. CMIIW) That's why there are cases where sales for oricon is higher than billboard. And for which is more legit, oricon sets limit that they will only count until only 20 CDs and no inernational sales while billboard counts everything, so it depends actually. If you want to know the actual sales, you will refer to billboard and if you want to know the total sales without being really affected with gimmicks, it would be oricon. I have an impression that oricon is probably more legit to japanese fans. AKB management (and fans) looks at oricon to see if the single is a 'failure' or not. Billboard top 100 include streams and twitter so it's not legit if you are looking for pure physical sales. Sent from my SM-J510GN using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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