Aquamaraqua 4,293 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 I don't know if you guys remember or not, but Ahn Sojin was a contestant on Baby KARA in 2014 (as well as a Superstar K 1 contestant). She did not make the cut, and she spoke numerous times on the show that it was her last chance because she was older for a trainee (22) in the K-Pop industry. Sojin did not make the cut for Baby KARA. In 2015, Sojin committed suicide, allegedly on top of a building in 2015, a few months after the program concluded. She was only 22, and incredibly talented. She was my favorite contestant on the show and I had to take a break from K-Pop when her news broke out. I wish I could have told her how great she was before this happened. I wish I was as thorough of a fan back then as I am now. This was after the Ladies Code incident, which just made things so much more frustrating. There's a clear problem in the industry. Baby KARA was the first and one of the only survival shows I have finished watching to this day, the other being the incredibly cruel BOYS24 which many of you may have heard of as a "flop" due to a lack of visuals (although the case was more due to it not being a male P101). In BOYS24 one of the most hurtful signs of depression was Jinseok (former YG trainee), a bright and multifaceted contestant who dropped out of the show on his own accord due to its cruelty and breadth, and only stayed for the final mission because he wanted to be there for his fans. He even rejected the offer of re-entering YG after the show. Click here to view the Tweet There is a more elaborate explanation about the cruelty of that thread here. If you read that thread, I'm sure you guys will feel a certain similarity that may come from other shows like P101, The Unit or Mix Nine. It's not that there shouldn't be people given a second chance, or a leverage to achieve there dreams. The ridicule and stigma that comes with many of these shows, whether it be "being ugly", or lacking in other ways, or simply evil editing, is simply disrespectful to the art of music and humanity itself. Nobody is perfect, and it's fine if you like or liked these shows in the past. But I hope everyone can realize the issues and severe trauma or self deprecation that may arise due to such disgusting methods these companies call entertainment. The problem lies in the fact that these young people are being boxed into a category based off of slim industry standards. These standards need to change. Not just in survival shows, but the industry's mindset in general. Survival shows at the moment are the most blatant display of disservice to the K-Pop community. Fandom culture is another thing that must be shaped around building a healthier place where idols and fans alike can feel safe and accepted. Expirementing with people's health is not entertainment. Abusing human emotions is not entertainment. Toying with people's dreams is not entertainment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviandrepepe 6,559 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Hmm, survival show is just them being upfront about the selection process. It's probably much worst when it's not a show. Unless ur asking for group audition to go and kpop to go, i feel like ur being an hypocrite. Like it's ok because u don't know/see it. Sure some hate can come from the public but this is not the cause of the problem. Also audition show are everyhere from the voice, amerixan idol, xfactor, got talent. The show itself isn't the problem. There is a problem with handling of trainne in korean show tho, giving them poor living conditions. But if u look at any trainne story, u will see its not any better when it's not a show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeminy 2,102 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 I was thinking about Sojin earlier today. But also on top of not making it into KARA, DSP dropped her. RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020superman 358 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 · Hidden by Pineapple, December 19, 2017 - No reason given Hidden by Pineapple, December 19, 2017 - No reason given Survival shows are the same as prostitute line ups at brothels aka whore houses. You line up in a humiliating way only to not get picked by the client. It makes you feel like you are not good enough in an already degrading job. Link to comment
Zaiku 883 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Records need to go, ranks need to go, these just add more pressure. It's a competition out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamaraqua 4,293 Posted December 19, 2017 Author Share Posted December 19, 2017 Hmm, survival show is just them being upfront about the selection process. It's probably much worst when it's not a show. Unless ur asking for group audition to go and kpop to go, i feel like ur being an hypocrite. Like it's ok because u don't know/see it. I definitely am not saying that if it's in the back, it's okay. I pointed out the industry has its slim standards multiple times in the past and in this post showing that it's not okay. Survival shows amplify one's ridicule because you are in the public eye. I would never want my flaws to be pointed out on national television. I don't think it'd be easy for someone on national television. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEANIE~ 6,612 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 I think not just the survival shows The nature of korean entertainment industry and the people's view to mental health problem is really unforgiving Idols are always torn between happiness and unhappiness They have to be happy in front of the public But instead they have to bear a lot of pressure and expectation So that's why knetz and the nature of the industry has to be changed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockerchic88 9,477 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Not trying to be the devils advocate, but wouldn't having a better mental health care system that can help ppl believe that they are more than their music careers etc be a better approach to dealing with this problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petrichor; 171 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Records need to go, ranks need to go, these just add more pressure. It's a competition out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamaraqua 4,293 Posted December 19, 2017 Author Share Posted December 19, 2017 I was thinking about Sojin earlier today. But also on top of not making it into KARA, DSP dropped her. RIP Everything about that point of time... I just couldn't believe they could do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HugeBoi Minos Wife 40,568 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Agree. I watched Baby Kara and Sojin deserved so much better, she was one of the best but they paid her dust because of her age and in the end, that superior line up never debuted. It was such a mess and resulted in the loss of such a talent. I'm so disgusted by the industry rn, the standards are ridiculous and so many of these young boys and girls are being exploited for the sake of entertainment. They're just trying to achieve their dreams while these big corporations are only interested in making money off them and then throw them out later. Sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamaraqua 4,293 Posted December 19, 2017 Author Share Posted December 19, 2017 Not trying to be the devils advocate, but wouldn't having a better mental health care system that can help ppl believe that they are more than their music careers etc be a better approach to dealing with this problem? As someone hoping to be in the field of psychiatry, I whole heartedly agree we need to add that on. But the cause should also be prevented instead of just trying to find the cure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ethereal 20,923 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 survival shows only publicize the same processes that are going into making groups behind the scenes. though groups from shows like produce101 were decided on 100% by fan votes, a lot of the other shows relied heavily on the "judges". trainees are battling daily to get into groups even without all the glamorizaion of their struggles on these shows. i mean just the other day i read how the new loona members are decided. they have to do a 1 v 1 battle after being chosen to represent their team and the person who wins joins loona. the whole industry needs to be reformed. blaming one sector isnt going to bring about the change that's really needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamaraqua 4,293 Posted December 19, 2017 Author Share Posted December 19, 2017 I think not just the survival shows The nature of korean entertainment industry and the people's view to mental health problem is really unforgiving Idols are always torn between happiness and unhappiness They have to be happy in front of the public But instead they have to bear a lot of pressure and expectation So that's why knetz and the nature of the industry has to be changed It indeed is the nature. I feel like survival shows are the most abundant and blatant form of disservice right now. My heart truly aches for Sojin and everyone else in that state today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamaraqua 4,293 Posted December 19, 2017 Author Share Posted December 19, 2017 survival shows only publicize the same processes that are going into making groups behind the scenes. though groups from shows like produce101 were decided on 100% by fan votes, a lot of the other shows relied heavily on the "judges". trainees are battling daily to get into groups even without all the glamorizaion of their struggles on these shows. i mean just the other day i read how the new loona members are decided. they have to do a 1 v 1 battle after being chosen to represent their team and the person who wins joins loona. the whole industry needs to be reformed. blaming one sector isnt going to bring about the change that's really needed. I'd refer to what I said above. And in OP I'll attempt to clarify my intentions, as people are thinking I think only survivals shows being gone will solve the problem. They won't fully, I'm aware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugarplumfairy 701 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Records need to go, ranks need to go, these just add more pressure. It's a competition out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEANIE~ 6,612 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 It indeed is the nature. I feel like survival shows are the most abundant and blatant form of disservice right now. My heart truly aches for Sojin and everyone else in that state today. The most unforgiving part is the company itself With mere help and less support to the artist,it led to this unhappy incident If SM has been treated their artist well by assigning foreign psychiatrist for regular check-up,the result would go in a very different way Considering Jonghyun is very successful, SM should have treated him as gem, take care of him well but not hold the concert frequently If SM has assigned sb (like the manager) to follow him 24/7, he would not have died Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gj gf jfdhsvsb 1,245 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 I agree, a particularly visibly toxic part of the industry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEANIE~ 6,612 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Records need to go, ranks need to go, these just add more pressure. It's a competition out there. Every places on the world has competition US has billboard Japan has Oricon Hong Kong has RTHK/903 The root problem is the nature of the industry and the mere help from the company but not competition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teal 2,285 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Sojin ... ah I remember watching Baby Kara. It is still to this day one of the most depressing "reality" shows I have ever seen. Those girls all were so desperate to debut. That and Nine Muses documentary are two things I can never watch again, for similar and different reasons. Sojin was so young when she left us, only 22, I wonder if she felt pressured because DSP wanted to debut a super youthful type gg. Or was she pressured because she knew her trainee contract would be terminated and she might have to pay back certain fees? (DSP seems like that type of company). I don't want to say right away that it was the fault of the program, the environment at DSP already seemed toxic (so many girls training for many years only to get offered one position in a premade group). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaiku 883 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Every places on the world has competition US has billboard Japan has Oricon Hong Kong has RTHK/903 The root problem is the nature of the industry and the mere help from the company but not competition What is the nature of the industry if not the competition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamaraqua 4,293 Posted December 19, 2017 Author Share Posted December 19, 2017 Sojin ... ah I remember watching Baby Kara. It is still to this day one of the most depressing "reality" shows I have ever seen. Those girls all were so desperate to debut. That and Nine Muses documentary are two things I can never watch again, for similar and different reasons. Sojin was so young when she left us, only 22, I wonder if she felt pressured because DSP wanted to debut a super youthful type gg. Or was she pressured because she knew her trainee contract would be terminated and she might have to pay back certain fees? (DSP seems like that type of company). I don't want to say right away that it was the fault of the program, the environment at DSP already seemed toxic (so many girls training for many years only to get offered one position in a premade group). She was pressured due to being "too old" for an idol... And I honestly still can't support DSP to this day because of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiraaaa 977 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 oh my god, i remember when sojin died. i took about a 6 month break or so from kpop because i was rooting for her to make the final lineup so badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamaraqua 4,293 Posted December 19, 2017 Author Share Posted December 19, 2017 oh my god, i remember when sojin died. i took about a 6 month break or so from kpop because i was rooting for her to make the final lineup so badly. It's so sad people don't realize until it affects someone that matters to them. Humanity should matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEANIE~ 6,612 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 What is the nature of the industry if not the competition? Like the income distribution from the company Music quality (Because koreans will shift their taste very frequently) And of course,the schedule I will rank the competition as the 4th major factor You know Jonghyun is successful in terms of awards and achievements,just because of the frustration towards the life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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