redheart 7,440 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Jonghyun mentioned that he thought that he wasn't doing good enough Click here to view the Tweet I was truly taken aback by this because I thought he was recognised for his talent both as a vocalist and as a song writer but then it also made me think about how LUNA said on Yoo Hee Yeol sketchbook that she doesn't understand why "a singer like herself must get stressed because of singing and music" https://www.soompi.com/2016/06/06/yoo-hee-yeol-shares-thoughts-about-music-charts-affecting-listeners-perceptions/ And Yoo Hee Yell responded with something along a the line of sure music is a business but there's more to it than just that I also remember how Xiumin tried to reassure Ls about them not wining daesangs I don't think companies will quit putting pressure on their artists over charts and awards just because fans stop caring about it but I can't help but think that it adds up to their stress when seeing comments online calling them flops because they didn't do as well as they did before or are not doing as well as their label mates. Kpop is a business so naturally a lot of emphasis would put on how much they are selling and how much they are earning but I just wish everyone was more lenient about sells and charts. Especially because their so much factors that play into a song or a group being sucessful. I can't imagine what anxiety it puts idols through being constantly expected to hit big everytime they release something especially if it's self composed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gebaxop 19 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Are you telling me the reasons he committed suicide is because he flopped on chart ? Really ? I think he has made enough money & success through his music He was ready to release new music , his mv & album has been recorded.. if he afraid of flopping he wouldn't do that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKKY 6,735 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Some of my favorite songs in the west aren't even on the charts and if they are, they aint that high on it. Kpop fans, companies and idols alike place too much importance on the charts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tide 14,243 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 i think we are putting too much emphasis on this one aspect. jjong has (and has spoken on his struggles with) depression, anxiety, and insomnia. depression alone can make the most successful person feel like they aren't good enough. we are rerouting this conversation where it doesn't need to go. we need to be talking about mental illness awareness more than anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrazzyJazzy 4,132 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 In general, so many people pride themselves on stanning artists with awards, but that means when these artists stop charting or lose awards to newer artists they feel like they're letting their fans down AND proving antis right. Fans should just be thankful that their faves were able to reach their dream of entertaining people with their music. (Jonghyun had other problems and him charting wouldn't have solved them. As far as I can tell it was a personal problem with his relationship with music. The point is, I don't think OP is trying to make it out like music charts are a cause of depression in idols. More that we shouldn't forget the true value of music is not something that can be defined by awards or sales) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redheart 7,440 Posted December 18, 2017 Author Share Posted December 18, 2017 Are you telling me the reasons he committed suicide is because he flopped on chart ? Really ? That's not at all what I'm trying to say, I'm saying he felt that his music wasn't good enough and that he wasn't meeting the expectation placed upon him. Obviously the fact that he wasn't being as successful as expected from him played into his depression that why I'm saying we should more lenient about charts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheolbong supremacy 16,576 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Are you telling me the reasons he committed suicide is because he flopped on chart ? Really ? I think he has made enough money & success through his music He didn't flop...he was an overall very successful artist, more so than many ppl can hope to be. But he also suffered from depression and that is a disease that must only be intensified in such a cutthroat industry like kpop, where #1 isn't good enough, where no matter what you do people will find ways to undermine you. It doesn't mean this was a 100% reason this tragedy happened, but can we really dismiss it from being a very probable factor? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanWink Is Real 13,912 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Are you telling me the reasons he committed suicide is because he flopped on chart ? Really ? I think he has made enough money & success through his music op didn't meant that, she said "is also part of the problem" and not the only problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnCloud9 3,397 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Are you telling me the reasons he committed suicide is because he flopped on chart ? Really ? I think he has made enough money & success through his music I don't think OP was implying that it was the only reason but just part of the bigger problem. He thought he was letting people down with his music because his chart placement wasn't good and that's how most people gauge public interest. (Correct me if I'm wrong OP) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroCent 753 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 I think that's just one of many issues that fans (intentionally or unintentionally) put on idols' shoulders. Relationship, public image, treatment, all those kinds of bullshiet as if idols are in debt to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory 310 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 I was thinking this as well, that he might have felt he was not been meeting people's expectations based on the performance of his songs on the digital charts. The pressure he must have felt was probably immense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffyhairedbaek 4,740 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Are you telling me the reasons he committed suicide is because he flopped on chart ? Really ? I think he has made enough money & success through his music You are missing the point. She said its part of the problem. Problem being jonghyun not feeling that confident about his music Lots of people judge a song quality based on its charting position and it sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNCH RANDA 1,508 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 we lost a jewel today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitoku 9,364 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 it does add. since all your hard work is diminished if you don't achieve the same result as digimons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lighterxx 12,204 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 I agree, it can be a part of the problem. I see idols getting disappointed and sad about not meeting expectations or releasing music to fan's taste. It would be great for music industry to loosen up a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gebaxop 19 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 That's not at all what I'm trying to say, I'm saying he felt that his music wasn't good enough and that he wasn't meeting the expectation placed upon him. Obviously the fact that he wasn't being as successful as expected from him played into his depression that why I'm saying we should more lenient about charts it does add. since all your hard work is diminished if you don't achieve the same result as digimons. If SM cares about digital chart , they would only release exo , rv & taeyeon , ignoring the rest of their artist . I don't think sm push him or expect him to do greatly on digital chart. It's him who push himself & expect more. He was ready to release New album. He should have wait to see its results before doing anything drastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitoku 9,364 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 If SM cares about digital chart , they would only release exo , rv & taeyeon , ignoring the rest of their artist . I don't think sm push him or expect him to do greatly on digital chart. It's him who push himself & expect more. i'm not talking about SM tho. but the public and kpop fans. everything that doesn't hit #1 for a long time is considered "bad" or "tragic". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinnfb 10,968 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 I understand what you are saying and I agree. IMO it's very likely the pressure over doing well on the charts along with his depression were a vicious circle: even if he broke records with his music, his depression would make him feel like it wasn't enough and make him anxious about how his next release would do but, at the same time, not breaking records or not meeting his company demands/expectations would also trigger his depression and feelings of failure. Basically, he wasn't dealing with the most healthy work environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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