What's your definition of intelligence? (detailed)

[Khyler]

Open to everything. If you know a lot of stuff and has thought in depth about it, could be good to discuss. If you're more casual you could just say IQ or "capacity to learn" too.

[Jung Jaehyun]

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[Boba]

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[Pink + White]

The capacity to learn, like you said. And being self aware enough to not think you know enough.. or everything. You're always striving for knowledge because you know it's endless. 

 

smth like dat

[QueenYoung]

I think it is more complex than IQ and I think there are many different ways to measure it in. 

[Prince GD]

lol you guys

 

idk ummm let's see

 

well you're ability to understand the environment you're in, the ability to communicate effectively your output and input and other factors too. I guess. lol idk tbh

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[Jung Jaehyun]

 

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Being able to solve problems impromptu

Being able to utilize learnt skills effectively in practical situations when called upon

Being able to solve a mathematical problem with different formulas

Having large memory capacity

Being spontaneous

Able to visualize possible outcomes

[kyulkyung]

Applying what you learn to different scenarios and problems. Being able to learn and teach others effectively. 

[Loonathehoe]

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Why not?

[kyulkyung]

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[Krewella]

The capacity to learn, like you said. And being self aware enough to not think you know enough.. or everything. You're always striving for knowledge because you know it's endless. 

 

smth like dat

 

What you said kind of reminded me of this statement by Bertrand Russel: The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.

[NEO BOY]

idk it depends 

[Khyler]

Okay, I was not expecting that kind of definitions, more like : intelligence is your intrinsic neuronal architecture that manage the way your neurons makes connections between each of them and in large scale how you connect concepts and generate ideas. So, this definition explain at the same time the logical reasoning (literally your capacity to see logical relationship between concepts and patterns) and also creativity (new ideas are the combination of other ideas whether they're obvious or not (not obvious connection is often associated to having high creativity)). So this is why some people are more talented than other in some area, for example math. It's because their neuronal architecture is more fit for math concept, therefore their math intuition is stronger. Also, I don't think having an extremely good memory is necessarily associated to high intelligence (for example Kim Peek (no trash talk intended)), but I do think working memory have a high correlation with intelligence. When you think, you're using your memory, a lot of people get confuse and confound memory with intelligence, but it's more like, you use your memory and your intelligence is doing the work subconsciously (you don't think about all the words you're saying, you think with ideas and concept). You memory is not your intelligence, but you need your memory to use intelligence.

 

Example of usage of intelligence:

Problem Solving

Music composition (having the creativity to related the right melody, rhythm, chords can make someone mind flinch pretty hard)

Making jokes (joke is literally relating two context to create an effect)

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Capacity to think more complex. More capabilities=more intelligence

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Okay, I was not expecting that kind of definitions, more like : intelligence is your intrinsic neuronal architecture that manage the way your neurons makes connections between each of them and in large scale how you connect concepts and generate ideas. So, this definition explain at the same time the logical reasoning (literally your capacity to see logical relationship between concepts and patterns) and also creativity (new ideas are the combination of other ideas whether they're obvious or not (not obvious connection is often associated to having high creativity)). So this is why some people are more talented than other in some area, for example math. It's because their neuronal architecture is more fit for math concept, therefore their math intuition is stronger. Also, I don't think having an extremely good memory is necessarily associated to high intelligence (for example Kim Peek (no trash talk intended)), but I do think working memory have a high correlation with intelligence. When you think, you're using your memory, a lot of people get confuse and confound memory with intelligence, but it's more like, you use your memory and your intelligence is doing the work subconsciously (you don't think about all the words you're saying, you think with ideas and concept). You memory is not your intelligence, but you need your memory to use intelligence.

 

Example of usage of intelligence:

Problem Solving

Music composition (having the creativity to related the right melody, rhythm, chords can make someone mind flinch pretty hard)

Making jokes (joke is literally relating two context to create an effect)

Being musical is a different quotient, though music composition may have some aspects requiring intelligence quotient.

You don't have to have a high memory capacity to be intelligent, but it adds up. You can still score an IQ test while being forgetful because you'll have other aspects to back you up. However, if you're good at problem solving AND have the ability to memorize information and theories, you'll score even higher than those who only rely on their problem solving skills.

[Khyler]

Being musical is a different quotient, though music composition may have some aspects requiring intelligence quotient.

You don't have to have a high memory capacity to be intelligent, but it adds up. You can still score an IQ test while being forgetful because you'll have other aspects to back you up. However, if you're good at problem solving AND have the ability to memorize information and theories, you'll score even higher than those who only rely on their problem solving skills.

You can score extremely high in the IQ test with an excellent working memory. I also know someone who's like the best student of my engineering cohort and this guy has a poor memory of facts, history, names, or just some random brute force memory like Kim peek. But his working memory is excellent and his capacity to understand and related concept is pretty astronomous = he's building knowledge and that's what his memory is = semantic. That's pretty much what most brilliant scientist are using. Nobel prize laureat do not have some overwelming memory capacity, they're actually pretty average in mental calculation, but understanding something make you learn and memorize something even better than just trying to memorize it. That's why the most you're capable of understanding stuff in a depth level quickly, the most you'll be able to learn and memorize knowledge and people will call you excellent memory.

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You can score extremely high in the IQ test with an excellent working memory. I also know someone who's like the best student of my engineering cohort and this guy has a poor memory of facts, history, names, or just some random brute force memory like Kim peek. But his working memory is excellent and his capacity to understand and related concept is pretty astronomous = he's building knowledge and that's what his memory is = semantic. That's pretty much what most brilliant scientist are using. Nobel prize laureat do not have some overwelming memory capacity, they're actually pretty average in mental calculation, but understanding something make you learn and memorize something even better than just trying to memorize it. That's why the most you're capable of understanding stuff in a depth level quickly, the most you'll be able to learn and memorize knowledge and people will call you excellent memory.

 

I believe what you believe to be an excellent memory capacity is somewhat similar to photographic memory, which is rare and so far no one is proven to have possessed such ability. When people are praised for their excellent ability to memorize things, most of the time it's due to their memorization techniques anyway, which is linked to intelligence since one has to either understand the concept or create a link to something existing for something to be recognized and comprehended by the brain. I child is very unlikely to memorize the word 'tree' if he or she didn't see or understand what it is in the first place

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There are a several types of intelligence: http://skyview.vansd.org/lschmidt/Projects/The%20Nine%20Types%20of%20Intelligence.htm

[Khyler]

I believe what you believe to be an excellent memory capacity is somewhat similar to photographic memory, which is rare and so far no one is proven to have possessed such ability. When people are praised for their excellent ability to memorize things, most of the time it's due to their memorization techniques anyway, which is linked to intelligence since one has to either understand the concept or create a link to something existing for something to be recognized and comprehended by the brain. I child is very unlikely to memorize the word 'tree' if he or she didn't see or understand what it is in the first place

I actually thought that your definition of excellent memory was photographic memory, this is why I made the difference between pure memorisation and knowledge building. When you said However, if you're good at problem solving AND have the ability to memorize information and theories    I thought your were talking about pure memory, because working memory is what you're mostly using when you're solving problem. Also I don't think increasing your memory with memorisation technique (memory champion of cards or pi) increase your intelligence (or show a sign of extremely intelligence) (like method of loci or grammatical conversion). I mean, there's a difference between tell me how to spell this complicated word and this complicated and find non existence of a number in a sorted list of N numbers where the numbers range over M, M>> N and N large enough to span multiple disks in an algorithm that beat O(log n). I mean the last one you can't beat it with memory (or all the books that you want) tho it doesn't work. Also when you say " I child is very unlikely to memorize the word 'tree' if he or she didn't see or understand what it is in the first place" for me associating a image with a word is still pure memorisation, and a child is very good at this. For example : if you tell a child : this is a tree, this is a branch, this is a leaf, this is a trunk, this is a root, he will probably be able to memorise everything WITHOUT understanding it. Understanding is more like, The trunk is the primary branch that is stronger and serves as a support for the other small branches that serve to expose the leaves that are used to capture light and CO2 from the top, so nothing is covering them from the light, in order to be able to photosynthesis with mineral salt, water and the nutrients from the ground taken by the roots (that's why root are on the ground) so that the tree can grow.

 

(btw don't take anything personally this is just for discussion purpose)

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(btw don't take anything personally this is just for discussion purpose)

Yeah, I don't. I actually think it's fun to have a discussion with someone who has different opinions. There are many terms you used that I don't understand and I apologize if I misunderstood your point. It's hard for me to converse in english when I'm learning all this in a different language. I'm currently studying biomedicine it probably explains our difference in opinion

 

What I do know is that associating an item with another existing item will create a longer lasting memory of said item. That link is one of the aspects that many intelligent species do better than others, the more intelligent they are the more specific the links they create. It also enhances their ability to learn and reason. Memory itself is not intelligence but people who give the impression of having the ability to memorize more than others use intelligence, just like your usage of intelligence when you compose music. It's a different kind of reasoning than analytical reasoning, but it's reasoning nonetheless.