Luvs 127 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondgrade 5,588 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Tragic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michiru 1,366 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 modern feminism is necessary but i hate the popular brand of feminism that's permeating pop culture right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Willow 1,638 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 it needs to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daria~ 13,886 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Just like most modern liberal causes, it's losing its purpose because the popular and mainstream version of it is being championed by extremely privileged people living in privileged places with very few worries associated with misogyny so they worry about unimportant shit like 'manspreading' and other crap. It's still needed but I wish that these people will stop being so loud so the ones with needs can actually be heard and taken seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowhere Boy 2,431 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoonability 4,159 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Modern feminism is a force of good in the world. I'd rather have teenage girls be a little extra about feminism on Tumblr than have them believing being female/feminine is somehow bad, that they should look and act a certain way, that they can't do certain things because they're women, that they have to be 'one of the boys' etc and basically hate themselves for being female. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaVandercunt 19 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Tragic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buljangnan 151 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 I kind of like the idea of it but the execution is really bad. When they start to nitpick every single detail and cross the border. It only leads many people thinking of feminism as toxic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellion 315 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Needs to change at least some of it's leading members and change it's name imo. Or just die and have the reasonable part of society reform in 'Egalitarism' or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xingyi 189 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 It needs to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadySinB 17 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Unnecessary in America and non-third world countries. The 1st wave and 2nd wave was gr8, but these days feminists just want more rights than men. They claim that it's an equal rights movement, but they never fight for men, only women Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee jaeyeol 385 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 it's unnecessary and tragic. It seriously needs to go . It's needed in countries where,yknow,women are actually being oppressed, but where do u see those so-called feMIniStZ doing anything about it? You don't,lol. All they do is whine on tumblr about how the evil white man spread his legs on the subway cause he doesn't want to fucking crush his dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B612 22,399 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Modern feminism is a force of good in the world. I'd rather have teenage girls be a little extra about feminism on Tumblr than have them believing being female/feminine is somehow bad, that they should look and act a certain way, that they can't do certain things because they're women, that they have to be 'one of the boys' etc and basically hate themselves for being female. Considering the fact nowadays woman and girls are becoming less and less feminine I get the feeling that it's the opposite, being a feminine girl/woman is seen as weak and undesirable, they feel so pressured to fit in that even if they like the classic idea of femininity they get scared because of their friends views (like being ashamed of dreaming of becoming a housewife, raising kids and staying at home etc). The modern feminists like to focus on stupid things like fat acceptance, the non existent gender pay gap, complaining about woman not being in certain prestigious jobs but ignoring the fact mostly men are the ones to do the "dirty" work and making everyone burn their brains with their 50+ genders and calling everything that makes them uncomfortable "rape", but are nowhere to be seen when ACTUAL problems are presented to them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoonability 4,159 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Considering the fact nowadays woman and girls are becoming less and less feminine I get the feeling that it's the opposite, being a feminine girl/woman is seen as weak and undesirable, they feel so pressured to fit in that even if they like the classic idea of femininity they get scared because of their friends views (like being ashamed of dreaming of becoming a housewife, raising kids and staying at home etc). The modern feminists like to focus on stupid things like fat acceptance, the non existent gender pay gap, complaining about woman not being in certain prestigious jobs but ignoring the fact mostly men are the ones to do the "dirty" work and making everyone burn their brains with their 50+ genders and calling everything that makes them uncomfortable "rape", but are nowhere to be seen when ACTUAL problems are presented to them... I don't know where you live, but where I live women are definitely not encouraged to be less feminine. And the fact that being feminine is seen as being weak/undesirable is a problem too. It comes forth out of centuries where women were deemed lesser, and weak, uncapable of doing much, having nothing but straw for brains etc. I really don't think those things you summed up are 'stupid'. That's a subjective word I guess. You're throwing a lot out there and it's very late here so I don't feel like arguing much, but as for 'fat acceptance': feminists generally strive for this because the demand for women to look a certain way and the pressure they feel to look 'good' in the eyes of society is much higher for women than it is for men. There are whole businesses just dedicated to making up whatever fad is next so women will feel that they don't feel good about themselves and then go out to buy useless products that they now feel they must have because of their deminished self-confidence. For example, no early 20th century lady was worried about the size of her pores. As for the other things you're talking about, sexual violence against women and (young) girls is still definitely a big problem. Of course men getting falsely accused for rape is a huge problem as well, but you'll find it doesn't actually happen as much in real life as a lot of people think it does. Rape cases going unreported or simply not being provable happens a lot more. I did a whole essay on this last year for my Criminal Law class but that's in Dutch I'm afraid. As for the wage gap, I suppose as a feminist I'm not entirely convinced on there truly being a wage gap either. However, I do feel like it's strange so many women somehow lose their drive as time goes on. Women outshine men qua academic results in almost every part of the world during high school and university, but somehow once they get to jobs women lose to the men. I'm sure their lack of a big mouth versus men is part of that, and women should be encouraged to simply ask for a pay rise if that's what they want, but there are a lot of reasons why women get stuck in there. I can't just sum that up in this simply comment I'm afraid, especially not at 23:33 at night, but one of the reasons is that 'bossy' or demanding women do definitely get judged more harshly in the workplace than their male peers. One of the big Ivy League universities did a study on this, I can't remember which. Anyhow, if you put forward to groups of men and women the exact same situations but change only the name of the applicant, M versus F, the reaction towards females is a lot harsher from both men and women. So it's not that strange that women feel the need to be more careful in certain situations. Women also talk a lot less than men in meetings, for example, even though they may just have as strong an opinion. Anyway, there's a lot of discussion possibly here. There's plenty of books written about modern feminism.. too much for me to simply throw out here. But I believe in feminism, even today. Just because women aren't deemed property of their husbands anymore doesn't mean there's nothing left to to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peng Peng 1,527 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 People need to educate themselves on what feminism is truly about, especially so-called feminists. Feminism is not only for and about women, men are also included. We should be fighting to break the idea that anything considered feminine is somehow inferior or shameful. Women should be able to have focus and be taken seriously in their careers, but it shouldn't be looked down upon to be a stay-at-home mom. As long as women are living their lives on their own terms and being given the respect they deserve as human beings, it shouldn't matter if they choose a career or a family or both. As long as it is their choice. We also need to fight to break the expectation that men must be "manly." Let men have emotions, let them cry and express themselves without being torn down. Let them pursue so-called "women's interests" like cooking, cleaning, singing, dancing, and fashion. Lose the idea that having qualities that are defined as "feminine" somehow negates their identity as a man or makes them weak. Let them be submissive, let them be who they are without having to worry that who they are is not "man enough." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage14 1,945 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 I think the problem is third wave liberal feminism that focuses primarily on individual choice as the chief issue in feminist debate but I think they often tend to ignore the fact that choice is an illusion, and you may think you have the ability to choose but really it's just choosing which box to put yourself in, while still being stuck in a box either way. Choice doesn't exist in a vacuum. Just because you believe you made a decision independently doesn't mean suddenly mean that the established patriarchal system that's coerced you into making that decision has ceased to exist. Like if you personally think the word slut is okay and empowering doesn't mean that the word loses its misogynistic roots and suddenly becomes a compliment, that's not how it works. Just because you made a choice doesn't mean automatically make it empowering and feminist and above all criticism. And I don't mean to be offensive and it's true that all sorts of issues should be brought to the forefront but what I see increasingly is the microaggressions faced by largely privileged white women being the most talked about. Other issues faced by women around the world need to be highlighted and discussed more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h71jak013jbfao13 95 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 I hate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesargent 2,935 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 I mean, there are some positive parts to it but overall I feel like the focus (especially when it comes to "white feminism") isn't on the type of issues it should be. Too many women want to make it about "free the nipple" and "I don't want to shave my armpit hair" and don't give thought to the issues of disabled women, LGBT women, women of color, sex workers (speaking of sex workers, there's a big "sex positivity" movement in modern feminism and yet sex workers are still overlooked (or, worse, looked down upon)), women living in countries where they are extremely oppressed, etc. If you're privileged enough to only have to worry about the stigma attached to your armpit hair, that's great. But use your voice to speak up for the women who can't, and don't talk over them when they're trying to say something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sana Minatozaki 3,305 Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 it's trash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JihyoStoleMyHeartAYAYAY 22,189 Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Well, Feminists today take on issues with the same fury and seriousness that their ancestors did with their issues. The problem is two fold -- one is that their issues aren't nearly as serious in many cases, and two is that they also ignore many far more important issues that they don't care about because it's not an instance where WOMEN are the ones being challenged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiMiJu 1,858 Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 It's difficult to generalize because there are many different factions within feminism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shocking blue 7,514 Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 I think feminism itself is still necessary as their are still many injustices women around the world face simply for being women. But there are some pockets of loud, "3rd wave" feminists in the western world who focus heavily on non-issues and rarely mention the more serious issues, perhaps from lack of awareness? Or because it doesn't affect them personally? Like people above have said, a lot of the louder ones in this movement are privileged and it blinds them to the bigger picture. There are still many people who call themselves feminists doing good in this world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halow31 1,137 Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 They've lost their way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charan 303 Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 There are certain points I agree with but a lot of it goes way too over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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