skylark_dr 114 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Last time I checked there has not been any post about this so I thought everyone should read this & back SNSD up. A post about SNSD's situation of resigning the contracts now. Let's be there for SNSD & let them know that no matter what we will support them! For those of you who have been here for a while, you probably know me. Some of you may disagree with my how I conduct myself, but you know where my heart really is. You also know, whenever things are serious, whether you can or cannot believe what I write. For those of you who are new, hello and welcome. Try to keep up with the rest of the pack because this patch of fandom is going to be a bumpy ride. I’ve done a quick scan on twitter before writing this and I think most people have gotten the gist of my preliminary tweets, whether directly or via SONE hivemind. That’s encouraging since you’ll know where this post is headed. I’m cobbling this together as quickly as I can because I genuinely wasn’t prepared for how quickly SM would start the mediaplay. In hindsight, that was stupid and I should have been prepared so I want to apologize for that and will try to keep on top of things again – real life work commitments have been making investing time into fandom a hard task. The funniest part is I was just DM’ing a friend in Singapore about the “one week promo†situation at the time… so really caught with my trousers down. I will apologize in advance because the following text is not exhaustive account and summarizes/streamlines things. Details of deals that each member has or is negotiating won’t be talked about here: it’s a distraction. Please understand the position that I am in, like people used to understand back in the old days of fandom. Bringing you up to speed SM’s contracts and negotiations were under wraps for the most part until I posted about how it worked, and luckily as it’s become common knowledge it makes my job easier. SM usually start their idols off on a 5 year contract. Idols are then usually offered 3 year extension deals with wholly different terms from their first contract (read: a lot better for them). Idols are made to negotiate individually. In SNSD’s case, like with almost all idols, their parents get involved with the negotiation (because Korean system of seniority and hierarchy makes negotiation between the agency and young adults very difficult). Terms are loosely “renegotiated†at the beginning of every year of their employment, using the original contract as a framework. Actual renewal negotiations are also done during the beginning of the year that it expires (so for SNSD, 2014 and 2017). January is a pretty tense month for every idol under SM. Where the the timeline begins Take yourself back to 2014. I think I was the first person to break the news at the time. SM usually likes to wrap up everything by the end of January but things went a few days over the deadline as SM were still finalizing terms with Jessica. SNSD were doing great in January 2014. “I Got a Boy†had gotten them more critical praise and attention, they’d won all the awards, they were sweeping through with album sales, merchandise… More importantly they’d proven that they could divide themselves up to find successes in multiple fields. I can’t go into any details on the terms but understand that SM gave them a very nice and cushy deal. Things went south towards the end of the year when things played out the way it did. I will still maintain to this day that no matter how many OT8 or Golden Stars will accuse someone or another, the fuller picture that I’ve been privileged enough to see has been that neither SNSD nor Jessica can be blamed for what happened in that time. I didn’t want to touch on it but I have to because it’s a relevant event on the timeline. Since I do, I need to stress that point as much as I can before moving on. In the remaining contract period, SM got distracted with huge plans involving China and groups that were going to debut. Talk to anyone who claims to be an insider in SM and they will tell you that they are woefully understaffed and their leadership easily distracted by grand plans and ideas. It’s SM’s fault for not making full use of SNSD but try telling them that. The events of this year Fastforward to the end of 2016 and January, yes the all important month of January, of 2017: SM want to average out what they had wanted from the previous three years with what they will be getting in 2017 to 2020. They want SNSD members to take the lowest possible deal. SM are fielding several plays at once right now. Carrot and stick the girls: Show the girls how much SM can give SNSD, and then snatch it away abruptly. You’ve probably seen enough gangster movie stereotypes to know a “play ball and things will stay nice.†when you see it in real life. I’m telling you as someone who’s been watching this play out for years from different companies… this is the entertainment industry version of it. Carrot and stick the fans: Show the fans how much SNSD they could get, and then snatch it away abruptly. They want us to be worked up into a fever pitch and then beg for more, ignorantly, because we don’t know what’s going on under the surface. I’m telling you that begging SNSD members to “PLEASE STAY UNNIEEEE†is playing right into their hands. Divide and conquer: they want to divide fandoms into pressuring individual members into doing what SM wants, since the public will be somewhat indifferent and fans will be the tastemakers in the community campaigning and complaining about the situation. I’m going to go deeper into this below. I think they’ve already released to the media that some members have re-signed contracts and while that is “technically trueâ€, “technically true†is dangerously misleading. Contracts are individually different and each member wants different solo activities (whether it’s acting, singing, variety shows) so all of the terms are different. The situation is intensely complicated and SM are taking advantage of that and trying to make sure that their misleading, simple narrative “some members signed but some members won’tâ€. When in doubt, SONEs, where do we look?We look to the girls. During this comeback, when have the girls ever looked like they were singling anyone out? They don’t blame any of themselves for the choices they have made or the stance that they stand. You can feel how much they respect each other’s positions. You can feel how much trust the intentions of every other member in the group. The picture of a divided group that SM wants to paint is a lie. SM want there to be confusion and in-fighting, because we all know how in-fighting ends: we flock to our main biases and start pointing fingers at individual fandoms of other members to blame. This cannot be allowed to happen because that is clearly not going to help the girls in any way. They know each other better than anyone, and we trusted them before.Trust the girls again now, in trusting the other members. As much detail as I can share about “right now†The member(s) who are still fighting SM at the negotiation table have refused to give in, even when SM issued an ultimatum to decide by January 31st (or else). To be quite honest, things didn’t look good in December when preliminary talks were coming out of SM to draw up the new extension contracts. It became rapidly clear as January started that things were not going to be easy. I mean it’s crazy that they’ve been able to hold against SM for EIGHT MONTHS without giving in; our girls are strong women but I also don’t think you could do that without being able to believe in the support of the girls who had already re-signed. The crazier thing is that winning in small incrememtns right up until the comeback too; they were successful in negotiating SM to make changes to make the unfair contract fairer but quite frankly, it still is unfair. It’s only now that SM are dangling a lot of different group projects in their face, hoping they’ll cave in for short-term things when the remainder of the three years . Going forward There is no grand conspiracy from the K-Pop industry to dismantle SNSD. K-Pop is a business and if you’ll excuse the pun, you’re seeing the business end of it courtesy of SM Entertainment. This is brinksmanship at best and feels more like an inside job. SM doesn’t always do this but when they do, things can get ugly. This whole promo cycle. Being edited out of shows. Being excluded arbitrarily after those amazing teasers and a full week of epic promo. Drawing huge numbers to TV shows and album sales outpacing manufacturing speed. As fans, I don’t think we should, however passively, rush the girls, or pressure them into making decisions. SM is trying to use SONEs as a weapon against SNSD and we cannot allow this. Trust in SNSD to make the right moves and continue to love and support them without picking sides. Full link: https://seoulcomplex.com/united-we-sone-816/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DemonicPotato 2,197 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Not surprised by the different contracts, since they did the same shit to the likes of shinwha and h.o.t (but that was after 5 years, and I think that the incentive for the girls to negociate for their solo careers too is even higher). Wasn't expecting them to sabotage the comeback though, that's incredibly petty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack! 855 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 So I don't get this. Basically SM is (rightfully) telling SNSD that they're probably not going to be a priority group continuing their contracts on but is trying to negotiate, but certain members want more/want to leave, but are arguing with SM about so their contracts have been on hold until SM sorts it out, but this is effecting the comeback cycle? Confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Jellyfish 23,231 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 In case some of you all were too lazy to click the link For those of you who have been here for a while, you probably know me.Some of you may disagree with my how I conduct myself, but you know where my heart really is.You also know, whenever things are serious, whether you can or cannot believe what I writeFor those of you who are new, hello and welcome.Try to keep up with the rest of the pack because this patch of fandom is going to be bumpy.I’ve done a quick scan on twitter before writing this and I think most people have gotten the gist of my preliminary tweets, whether directly or via SONE hivemind. That’s encouraging since you’ll know where this post is headed. Bringing you up to speed SM’s contracts and negotiations were under wraps for the most part until I posted about how it worked, and luckily as it’s become common knowledge it makes my job easier.SM usually start their idols off on a 5 year contract.Idols are then usually offered 3 year extension deals with wholly different terms from their first contract (read: a lot better for them).Idols are made to negotiate individually. In SNSD’s case, like with almost all idols, their parents get involved with the negotiation (because Korean system of seniority and hierarchy makes negotiation between the agency and young adults very difficult).Terms are loosely “renegotiated†at the beginning of every year of their employment, using the original contract as a framework.Actual renewal negotiations are also done during the beginning of the year that it expires (so for SNSD, 2014 and 2017).January is a pretty tense month for every idol under SM.Where the the timeline begins Take yourself back to 2014. I think I was the first person to break the news at the time.SM usually likes to wrap up everything by the end of January but things went a few days over the deadline as SM were still finalizing terms with Jessica.SNSD were doing great in January 2014. “I Got a Boy†had gotten them more critical praise and attention, they’d won all the awards, they were sweeping through with album sales, merchandise and had proven that they were relatively versatile in dividing themselves up into smaller units to find successes in multiple fields.I can’t go into any details on the terms but understand that SM gave them a very nice and cushy deal. Things went south towards the end of the year when things played out the way it did. I will still maintain to this day that no matter how many OT8 or Golden Stars will accuse someone or another, the fuller picture that I’ve been privileged enough to see has been that neither SNSD nor Jessica can be blamed for what happened in that time. I didn’t want to touch on it but I have to because it’s a relevant event on the timeline. Since I do, I need to stress that point as much as I can before moving on.In the remaining contract period, SM got distracted with huge plans involving China and groups that were going to debut. Talk to anyone who claims to be an insider in SM and they will tell you that they are woefully understaffed and their leadership easily distracted by grand plans and ideas. Sure, we got Lion Heart but I think any SONE who was following events unfold in real time would agree that SM made full or good use of the girls; and so SM didn’t get back what they had initially expected, even though really, they were to blame.The events of this year Fastforward to the end of 2016 and January, yes the all important month of January, of 2017: SM want to average out what they had wanted from the previous three years with what they will be getting in 2017 to 2020. They want SNSD members to take the lowest possible deal on the table.SM are fielding several plays at once right now.Carrot and stick the girls: Show the girls how much SM can give SNSD, and then snatch it away abruptly.You’ve probably seen enough gangster movie stereotypes to know a “play ball and things will stay nice.†when you see it in real life.I’m telling you as someone who’s been watching this play out for years from different companies… this is the entertainment industry version of it. Carrot and stick the fans: Show the fans how much SNSD they could get, and then snatch it away abruptly.They want us to be worked up into a fever pitch and then beg for more, ignorantly, because we don’t know what’s going on under the surface. I’m telling you that begging SNSD members to “PLEASE STAY UNNIEEEE†is playing right into their hands.Divide and conquer: they want to divide fandoms into pressuring individual members into doing what SM wants, since the public will be somewhat indifferent and fans will be the tastemakers in the community campaigning and complaining about the situation. I’m going to go deeper into this below. I think they’ve already released to the media that some members have re-signed contracts and while that is “technically trueâ€, “technically true†is dangerously misleading. Contracts are individually different and each member wants different solo activities (whether it’s acting, singing, variety shows) so all of the terms are different. The situation is intensely complicated and SM are taking advantage of that and trying to make sure that their misleading, simple narrative “some members signed but some members won’tâ€.When in doubt, SONEs, where do we look? We look to the girls.During this comeback, when have the girls ever looked like they were singling anyone out?They don’t blame any of themselves for the choices they have made or the stance that they stand. You can feel how much they respect the wishes of, and trust the intentions of every other member in the group, despite this picture of a divided group that SM wants to paint.SM want there to be confusion and in-fighting, because we all know how in-fighting ends: we flock to our main biases and start pointing fingers at individual fandoms of other members to blame. This cannot be allowed to happen because that is clearly not going to help the girls in any way.As much detail as I can share right now The member(s) who are still fighting SM at the negotiation table have refused to give in, even when SM issued an ultimatum to decide by January 31st (or else).I mean it’s crazy that they’ve been able to hold against SM for EIGHT MONTHS without giving in; our girls are strong women but I also don’t think you could do that without being able to believe in the support of the girls who had already re-signed. The crazier thing is that winning in small incrememtns right up until the comeback too; they were successful in negotiating SM to make changes to make the unfair contract fairer but quite frankly, it still is unfair.It’s only now that SM are dangling a lot of different group projects in their face, hoping they’ll cave in for short-term things when the remainder of the three years .Going forward There is no grand conspiracy from the K-Pop industry to dismantle SNSD.This is brinksmanship at best and feels more like an inside job.K-Pop is a business and if you’ll excuse the pun, you’re seeing the business end of it courtesy of SM Entertainment.SM doesn’t always do this but when they do, things can get ugly.This whole promo cycle. Being edited out of shows.Being excluded arbitrarily after those amazing teasers and a full week of epic action, drawing in huge numbers to TV shows and album sales outpacing manufacturing speed.As fans, I don’t think we should, however passively, rush the girls, or pressure them into making decisions.SM is trying to use SONEs as a weapon against SNSD and we cannot allow this.Trust in SNSD to make the right moves and continue to love and support them without picking sides. So basically, SM is apparently trying to play a bit dirty to get the girls to sign on their terms and the member or members holding off aren't having it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylark_dr 114 Posted August 16, 2017 Author Share Posted August 16, 2017 In case some of you all were too lazy to click the link For those of you who have been here for a while, you probably know me. Some of you may disagree with my how I conduct myself, but you know where my heart really is. You also know, whenever things are serious, whether you can or cannot believe what I write For those of you who are new, hello and welcome. Try to keep up with the rest of the pack because this patch of fandom is going to be bumpy. I’ve done a quick scan on twitter before writing this and I think most people have gotten the gist of my preliminary tweets, whether directly or via SONE hivemind. That’s encouraging since you’ll know where this post is headed. Bringing you up to speed SM’s contracts and negotiations were under wraps for the most part until I posted about how it worked, and luckily as it’s become common knowledge it makes my job easier. SM usually start their idols off on a 5 year contract. Idols are then usually offered 3 year extension deals with wholly different terms from their first contract (read: a lot better for them). Idols are made to negotiate individually. In SNSD’s case, like with almost all idols, their parents get involved with the negotiation (because Korean system of seniority and hierarchy makes negotiation between the agency and young adults very difficult). Terms are loosely “renegotiated†at the beginning of every year of their employment, using the original contract as a framework. Actual renewal negotiations are also done during the beginning of the year that it expires (so for SNSD, 2014 and 2017). January is a pretty tense month for every idol under SM. Where the the timeline begins Take yourself back to 2014. I think I was the first person to break the news at the time. SM usually likes to wrap up everything by the end of January but things went a few days over the deadline as SM were still finalizing terms with Jessica. SNSD were doing great in January 2014. “I Got a Boy†had gotten them more critical praise and attention, they’d won all the awards, they were sweeping through with album sales, merchandise and had proven that they were relatively versatile in dividing themselves up into smaller units to find successes in multiple fields. I can’t go into any details on the terms but understand that SM gave them a very nice and cushy deal. Things went south towards the end of the year when things played out the way it did. I will still maintain to this day that no matter how many OT8 or Golden Stars will accuse someone or another, the fuller picture that I’ve been privileged enough to see has been that neither SNSD nor Jessica can be blamed for what happened in that time. I didn’t want to touch on it but I have to because it’s a relevant event on the timeline. Since I do, I need to stress that point as much as I can before moving on. In the remaining contract period, SM got distracted with huge plans involving China and groups that were going to debut. Talk to anyone who claims to be an insider in SM and they will tell you that they are woefully understaffed and their leadership easily distracted by grand plans and ideas. Sure, we got Lion Heart but I think any SONE who was following events unfold in real time would agree that SM made full or good use of the girls; and so SM didn’t get back what they had initially expected, even though really, they were to blame. The events of this year Fastforward to the end of 2016 and January, yes the all important month of January, of 2017: SM want to average out what they had wanted from the previous three years with what they will be getting in 2017 to 2020. They want SNSD members to take the lowest possible deal on the table. SM are fielding several plays at once right now. Carrot and stick the girls: Show the girls how much SM can give SNSD, and then snatch it away abruptly. You’ve probably seen enough gangster movie stereotypes to know a “play ball and things will stay nice.†when you see it in real life. I’m telling you as someone who’s been watching this play out for years from different companies… this is the entertainment industry version of it. Carrot and stick the fans: Show the fans how much SNSD they could get, and then snatch it away abruptly. They want us to be worked up into a fever pitch and then beg for more, ignorantly, because we don’t know what’s going on under the surface. I’m telling you that begging SNSD members to “PLEASE STAY UNNIEEEE†is playing right into their hands. Divide and conquer: they want to divide fandoms into pressuring individual members into doing what SM wants, since the public will be somewhat indifferent and fans will be the tastemakers in the community campaigning and complaining about the situation. I’m going to go deeper into this below. I think they’ve already released to the media that some members have re-signed contracts and while that is “technically trueâ€, “technically true†is dangerously misleading. Contracts are individually different and each member wants different solo activities (whether it’s acting, singing, variety shows) so all of the terms are different. The situation is intensely complicated and SM are taking advantage of that and trying to make sure that their misleading, simple narrative “some members signed but some members won’tâ€. When in doubt, SONEs, where do we look? We look to the girls. During this comeback, when have the girls ever looked like they were singling anyone out? They don’t blame any of themselves for the choices they have made or the stance that they stand. You can feel how much they respect the wishes of, and trust the intentions of every other member in the group, despite this picture of a divided group that SM wants to paint. SM want there to be confusion and in-fighting, because we all know how in-fighting ends: we flock to our main biases and start pointing fingers at individual fandoms of other members to blame. This cannot be allowed to happen because that is clearly not going to help the girls in any way. As much detail as I can share right now The member(s) who are still fighting SM at the negotiation table have refused to give in, even when SM issued an ultimatum to decide by January 31st (or else). I mean it’s crazy that they’ve been able to hold against SM for EIGHT MONTHS without giving in; our girls are strong women but I also don’t think you could do that without being able to believe in the support of the girls who had already re-signed. The crazier thing is that winning in small incrememtns right up until the comeback too; they were successful in negotiating SM to make changes to make the unfair contract fairer but quite frankly, it still is unfair. It’s only now that SM are dangling a lot of different group projects in their face, hoping they’ll cave in for short-term things when the remainder of the three years . Going forward There is no grand conspiracy from the K-Pop industry to dismantle SNSD. This is brinksmanship at best and feels more like an inside job. K-Pop is a business and if you’ll excuse the pun, you’re seeing the business end of it courtesy of SM Entertainment. SM doesn’t always do this but when they do, things can get ugly. This whole promo cycle. Being edited out of shows. Being excluded arbitrarily after those amazing teasers and a full week of epic action, drawing in huge numbers to TV shows and album sales outpacing manufacturing speed. As fans, I don’t think we should, however passively, rush the girls, or pressure them into making decisions. SM is trying to use SONEs as a weapon against SNSD and we cannot allow this. Trust in SNSD to make the right moves and continue to love and support them without picking sides. So basically, SM is apparently trying to play a bit dirty to get the girls to sign on their terms and the member or members holding off aren't having it? yes, (some) members refuse to give in to the unfair contracts so SM is trying to force them into having to agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylark_dr 114 Posted August 16, 2017 Author Share Posted August 16, 2017 So I don't get this. Basically SM is (rightfully) telling SNSD that they're probably not going to be a priority group continuing their contracts on but is trying to negotiate, but certain members want more/want to leave, but are arguing with SM about so their contracts have been on hold until SM sorts it out, but this is effecting the comeback cycle? Confusing. it's more like SNSD members want to continue together, but SM, being dirty as they've always been. try to milk SNSD the best they can by forcing SNSD to accept unfair contracts so that when SNSD earns money, SM takes more. So some members refuse & fight for better contract terms, which leads to SM threatening & putting pressure on them by basically sabotaging their comeback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Jellyfish 23,231 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 yes, (some) members refuse to give in to the unfair contracts so SM is trying to force them into having to agree Good for them tbh. I hope they can find a resolution that can satisfy both, especially if said member members want to continue in SNSD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow White 1,292 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 So I don't get this. Basically SM is (rightfully) telling SNSD that they're probably not going to be a priority group continuing their contracts on but is trying to negotiate, but certain members want more/want to leave, but are arguing with SM about so their contracts have been on hold until SM sorts it out, but this is effecting the comeback cycle? Confusing. The way I understand it, it's more like SM wants the girls to sign the contracts on their terms and tried to pressure them to do it by doing some bad mediaplay (e.g. making fans so desperate, so that they beg girls to sign the contracts no matter what). But the girls want to sign the contracts on their terms - and rightfully so, since they're still one of the bigger moneymakers in SM - so they keep on negotiating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAYAKA 9,964 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 SM is basically showing them how they can have the world in terms of promos or be left with dust and have everything taken away. They also seem to be dangling basic deals for solo stuff to get people to sign. Resign for less than desirable means. I trust those girls but not that fucking company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josuli 8 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 · Hidden by Maphisto40, August 16, 2017 - Zhai dupe post Hidden by Maphisto40, August 16, 2017 - Zhai dupe post "I’m telling you that begging SNSD members to “PLEASE STAY UNNIEEEE†is playing right into their hands." Well this makes sense , this is what kpop fandom used to say. It's unfortunate but if snsd member still getting another slave contract.. they better leave for their own sake Link to comment
Kaotic_Belle 876 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 So I don't get this. Basically SM is (rightfully) telling SNSD that they're probably not going to be a priority group continuing their contracts on but is trying to negotiate, but certain members want more/want to leave, but are arguing with SM about so their contracts have been on hold until SM sorts it out, but this is effecting the comeback cycle? Confusing. The point of this article flew over your head. They are arguing because they want better terms for their contract and SM are now using media play and manipulation to pressure the girls to settle for the same old contract. They want fans to pressure the girls to renew the contract on SM's terms because clearly them cutting short promotions, production of the album, and editing out SNSD from concerts and shows weren't enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ì£½ê³ ì‹¶ì–´? 1,292 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 who knows how they manipulated Sica-gate back in 2014 to make it seem like a big fight between the two parties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shutupihateyou 21,439 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 it's more like SNSD members want to continue together, but SM, being dirty as they've always been try to milk SNSD, the best they can by forcing SNSD to accept unfair contracts so that when SNSD earns money, SM takes more. So some members refuse & fight for better contract terms, which leads to SM threatening & putting pressure on them by basically sabotaging their comebact This is like SES again where they want to keep the group but sm remains petty. I think it's really interesting now to note jessica's statements. Remember when she said she feels liberated now that she left sm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlkpopfan 2,451 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 I was going to dismiss this as just white noise in the background from the fans, but it was actually an interesting read. Even as a none Sone\casual listener of SNSD it sheds a bit more light into what's going on with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaotic_Belle 876 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 who knows how they manipulated Sica-gate back in 2014 to make it seem like a big fight between the two parties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAYAKA 9,964 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 who knows how they manipulated Sica-gate back in 2014 to make it seem like a big fight between the two parties That's what I'm thinking. I mean most logical sone knew it wasn't a sole decision on either side but I can imagine SM playing the girls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silicon soul 19,457 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 So I don't get this. Basically SM is (rightfully) telling SNSD that they're probably not going to be a priority group continuing their contracts on but is trying to negotiate, but certain members want more/want to leave, but are arguing with SM about so their contracts have been on hold until SM sorts it out, but this is effecting the comeback cycle? Confusing. I think it's more to do with SM wanting to keep them but probably offering a worse/same contact. Not all members were happy with what was offered so SM flexed their muscle to fuck them over as a show of power, saying if you don't renew we could destroy you (and it's not the first time this sort of stuff has happened, Cube recently did it and lost 2 groups and now they're in the gutter). In a way that's forcing SNSD to renew and in that circumstance SM has all the power to cut deal that favours SM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shocking blue 7,514 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 who knows how they manipulated Sica-gate back in 2014 to make it seem like a big fight between the two parties Considering in recent interviews she seems to harbor no ill feelings towards SNSD I'm thinking this is exactly what happened. SM seem to love using ultimatums and mind games to pressure their idols and get their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonicPotato 2,197 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 who knows how they manipulated Sica-gate back in 2014 to make it seem like a big fight between the two parties She's the one who brought up the '8 others' in her weibo post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ì£½ê³ ì‹¶ì–´? 1,292 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 She's the one who brought up the '8 others' in her weibo post... im just saying it could be a possibility that sm manipulated the events that made jessica react in a certain way aka telling different stories to different sides at that time, since jessica doesn't seem to harbor any ill feelings towards them now. if anything this just shows the girls don't have much power over SM, and can barely fight for their own contracts, let alone ask them to kick out another member, but that's besides the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adda 9,200 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 If the majority of CFs are obtained by SM even without SNSD being on board, than I don't think they will offer them a better contract than they had, a contract that meet the terms the members are looking for. SNSD's CF earning potential is limited due to their age and SM have RV who finally established themselves. If SNSD main source of revenue comes from selling concerts, not CFs (like it happens in 99% cases for girl groups) , than the company might think about , but still, I doubt they will offer them a better contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IJWD 1,558 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 If the majority of CFs are obtained by SM even without SNSD being on board, than I don't think they will offer them a better contract than they had, a contract that meet the terms the members are looking for. SNSD's CF earning potential is limited due to their age and SM have RV who finally established themselves. If SNSD main source of revenue comes from selling concerts, not CFs (like it happens in 99% cases for girl groups) , than the company might think about , but still, I doubt they will offer them a better contract. When it comes to cf even girls joked about it, they are too expensive that majority of brands can't afford them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larme 3,478 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 SM is basically showing them how they can have the world in terms of promos or be left with dust and have everything taken away. They also seem to be dangling basic deals for solo stuff to get people to sign. Resign for less than desirable means. I trust those girls but not that fucking company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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