Official Vocals thread (READ OP FIRST)

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4 hours ago, BAZISSINO said:

1:23 and 5:02

@3:14 and 4:16

 

8:06 and 8:30 it rare to hear that much development and fullness that high 

Yeah, I heard Patti had a better time than Whitney, especially during  Bb5-C6 

 

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1 hour ago, jeong jaehyuns boyfriend said:

idk if this was discussed here already, but....

an old favourite in this thread... baek yerin... her newest rendition of "irreplaceable".... girl. this was so flawless. she was always amazing but she improved so much, and shes a smart vocalist, too. she stayed within a comfortable, yet still challenging range, and didnt go beyond C#5/D5 (even though the bridge section was a callback to bey's live version of the song, where she goes up to F5). just so flawless...

 

I like her

Baek Yerin studied singing since she was young, giving her a good foundation,unlike other  stylistic singer in kpop. That's what I always say about why singers have to learn to sing.

On 12/22/2022 at 6:20 AM, idleschoice said:

Hello! I've been lurking around this forum for a little while and I decided I wanted to join the conversation! ^^

I'd like to talk about Jooyeon from Xdinary Heroes! I know he's already been talked about, but I haven't seen anyone mention his new content, so I thought I might as well!

Xdinary Heroes have released a new song very recently titled 'Haircut' and Jooyeon seems to be mixing A4s during the chorus:

 

 

1:20 and 2:52

He sounds fairly relaxed which had me second guessing the note, but I do think it's an A4?

He also mixed C5s, C#5s(?) and Bb4s(?) in their song titled 'Strawberry Cake', though... it is quite inconsistent. Here is one of his better attempts (I haven't seen anything that good from him until a very recent performance from a few days ago):

0:46, 2:05 and 3:12

He's straining a bit and there's tension but he doesn't sound terrible? Maybe he's a little shouty, but I honestly think he sounds quite good! (I think his second attempt is the best here, but he does shift his placement to his nose. He also gets messy towards the end of the song.)

He's also been doing G4s and those seem quite consistent. Here's one of them:

 

1:05 (I love seeing how he consciously starts supporting there. Feels very satisfying ^^')

I haven't seen him do many low notes, but the lowest one I've seen from him so far (that doesn't sound completely shallow) is a D3 I think (though I do think he doesn't support it. It seems his larynx is lowered and it does  still sound a bit shallow):

 

 

0:12 and 0:17

A more recent video of him singing low notes is this one. I think the notes are E3s?

 

 

0:12 and 0:20. Might be where his support begins.

Now about his upper register; I actually only have one reference, but I think he's supporting a D5 here maybe?

 

 

1:03 and 2:33

This is consistent so he knows he's got this ^^

This is all I've got for now! It seems his supported range might be E3-A4-D5, but I'm just guessing lol.

His main issue seems to be that he tends to get quite pushy, which leads to inconsistencies in his performances. His chestier approach (which seems to be a stylistic choice) often throws off his entire mix, but I guess he does it because they're a rock band and need a big sound or something. He also tends to get nasal when mixing higher, or just... tends to be nasal in general, lol.

What do you guys think? I'm not a professional so I might be completely wrong, but it sounds to me like he's got great potential ^^

He has more than E3 in the lows. Personally, I don't hear support in the head voice at all, the video I posted earlier still looks more likely.

 

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5 hours ago, WWW3 said:

Thanks, also can you recommend some performances that display his agility since I'm not farmiliar with him

Just you search Scott Hoying vocal run in youtube his performances are compiled there.

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45 minutes ago, idleschoice said:

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แล้วที่นี่ล่ะ? เพลงเดียวกันแต่เป็นคลิปล่าสุด:

 

 

0:58 และ 2:29

This was not supported. I haven't heard any support. 

This was the best performance from him.

 

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Jaehyun sounds inconsistent with C3

 

 

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On 12/27/2022 at 8:18 PM, redhoodedgirll said:

 

Her E5 sounds better than many people in tier P

4 hours ago, exodus05 said:

jessica has C5/C#5 right? 

nope

 

 

 

I don't know, has this been discussed yet, is Wheein and Hwasa still AA? They sound more busy singing than kei these days.

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13 hours ago, Tsukimono said:

How does Lily compare with the AA-P girls(if she is AA-P? I haven't caught up with her in a while so dunno if she's still considered AA)?

She'd be above Raina but below Baek Yerin and arguably Prime Yuju right? 

I'm not familiar with Raina, as far as I remember she was rated higher than Baek Yerin.

 

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7 hours ago, Tsukimono said:

Looking at Baz's chart, yeah it seems that way currently. But I kind of assumed Yerin would be higher since she has a better mix and I was looking back in the thread seeing people debating if Raina is just high AA instead of AA-P. I don't see the same debates about Yerin afaik? 

 

 

Baek Yerin's low voice is really weak, she doesn't have a head voice, and I guess she still has lazy mode? (even though I think it's her style of music )While Raina  is a well-rounded singer.  She supported well in the 4th octave and well until C5 in my memory.

 

2.47 - 3.06 

 

Lily support in the 4th octave  She's not impressive to me but support in the 5th octave  hers are stable, she's not bad even to E5.

 

 

 

 

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I saw some people giving  for Sullyoon an average, what do you think?

 

1.11- 1.25 and 3.20 -3.35 

2.16- 2.22  and 4.30-4.35

My personal opinion is that she still sounds lack grounded and sounds shallow in her middle-range 

Compared to the low averages like IU and Soyou.

1.56-2.02 and 2.46-3.21

3.21- 2.36 and 3.43-4.06

 IU and Soyou sounded more grounded to me. Hyojung I think a low voice saved her.

 I'm not good at rankings, and I don't like listening to Averang.  Unless they have a style that appeals to me

@ZRH23 what do you think? 

 

 

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23 minutes ago, WonderfulOnce said:

 

1.07  2.14  3.04 head voice sounds nice. I like the most in this clip .

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On 3/3/2023 at 10:43 AM, Igsv said:

How are Hyolyn's Riffs in this video? The transition to false/head voice (was it a head voice?) seemed well executed and apparently she wasn't very well prepared, but it's good to hear.

I once saw a video where Uji was above her in agility, but the runs that Hyolyn performs are more complex, it might not be precise or exact sometimes, but watching this video is not something I would imagine seeing Uji doing or that it would look good in her voice.

How are the F#3s on this cover? There are many (I think 14 F#3s) and apparently mostly they are supported, and the quality when compared to Newjeans is very remarkable, it doesn't have that low larynx sound.

Is it possible to consider F#3 as consistently supported? Since in 2018 she has several F3s/F#3s in her covers in a busking video, some supported and present tone.

And this year there are F#3s supported on the Goose Dream cover and now on the Ditto cover it seems supported.

4 F#3s @0:24-0:33
4 F#3s @0:41-0:47 @0:52
5  F#3s  @1:50-1:58 @2:04
@2:48 

How are the C#5's in head voice? To me seems conected head voice, right?

@00:01 - 00:11
@0:55  @0:59 @1:10 @2:07 @2:20 @2:35
@2:51 - 3:00
 

ally kelly Youtube channel?  Obviously, her ranking was a failure that time

Hyolyn also has better agility than many kpop singer and she is better than Uji

I think it's  head voice

 

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15 hours ago, BAZISSINO said:

yeah AA is decent in my books 

if she was consistent with her approach like here , she would be average 

but from what I've heard she doesn't always focus as much like here 

so maybe more on the W to A spectrum 

Does Sullyoon sound average to you?

1.31 She sounded better than the clip I posted earlier.

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22 hours ago, Tsukimono said:

How was Yunjin's HV during this warmup? She sounds like she can handle A5 ok but I can't tell if it's supported

It supports 

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20 hours ago, Tsukimono said:

Until what note did she stop supporting there? She sounded fine until that last note to me at least 

My personal opinion A5 is good and Bb5 doesn't sound bad but I personally would say she started pushing it a bit from Bb5 then she started to get more and more tensed and squeezed till her last note.

That's because her approach is different from normal pop, her voice doesn't sound as squeezed as small as we've heard from other Kpop female singers, overall it is more developed.

17 hours ago, Tsukimono said:

While Lily utilizes her HV more, is it safe to say Yunjin has a stronger HV? Her head voice seems to be much fuller compared to Lily from the little she's shown so far. They also both roughly support the same notes in HV? 

it was a different approach, personally, I think it would be easier to compare if Yunjin showed how she would do it in a normal pop song.

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I can hardly recognize Jungkook.

 

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On 5/2/2023 at 9:08 AM, _ohmyvon said:

Danielle of newjeans voice acting ariel. Im curious, how do u guys think she fares? 

She was chosen for Newjeans popularity.

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On 5/24/2023 at 11:56 AM, DoraemoNobita said:

Hi guys @ZRH23 @RATY @BAZISSINO

What is your opinion of Salma, the winner of Indonesian Idol 2023. She's praised for her musicality, but I think her technique is also not bad. I feel her range is a bit lower than typical soprano.

Starts at 0:19.

1:03 onwards, low notes

2:41, C5

3:00 onwards, couple of B4-C#5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-0RmLUDWwg

Low notes 0:28 onwards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8nX4SsV5ps
Low notes 0:16 onwards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz3mhTrWE5E

Love her musicality here. 3:55, 4:47, 5:06 couple of Bb4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnRafuKuYjs

Another showcase of her musicality. 3:10, C#5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQewEV2kJA4&t=102s

2:13 onwards, couple of B4

3:08 & 3:22, B4-Eb5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeF-aeDweTA

3:03, B4 & C5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReM57VZWCS0

2:36, C5

3:02, C#5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bhqj0fREIc0

1:38, couple of B4

2::07, couple of C#5

3:45, couple of B4

4:20, couple of B4 & C#5
5:06, couple of C5 & D5

She didn't sound like a low soprano to me and personally I wasn't impressed with her at all even though I didn't get all the clips but I think her support base isn't that good.

@2.24 -2.37 It was clear that she was weak.

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6 hours ago, DoraemoNobita said:

 

Thanks for your reply! But, why do you think her support isn't good? Like, she sounds open, round, and grounded to me. I'm just not sure how wide her supported range.

Tone wise, yes she doesn't sound too heavy like low soprano. But in many occasions, she explores more at mid-lower range compared to D5 and above.

The Sisa Rasa clip tho, yes she sounds kinda stuck on that timeframe. Usually she sounds way more relaxed.

 

Open , round Where ?

You try listen to where I time stamped. You think this is good? 

I'm trying to timestamp to show you that she's basically bad without necessarily singing high B4 C5 C#5 

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1 hour ago, DoraemoNobita said:

Open , round Where ? You try listen to where I time stamped. You think this is good? 

There's a lot on the clips I posted, except the timestamp part (I already said, she's normally sounds better than that). Have you listened to all clips?

I'm trying to timestamp to show you that she's basically bad without necessarily singing high B4 C5 C#5
Show me other examples where she sounds 'bad'. And seriously, you can't find any acceptable quality in her technique?

I normally can tell whether a vocalist is technically weak or decent (avg and above). There's no way she's weaker than the likes of Rose, Giselle, Karina, Lia, Chungha, Yena etc.

That's because you focus too much on rankings, I analyzed them regardless of those things. When i say weak  I don't mean their rank, I'm referring to the lack of development.

Those videos are restricted in my country but even then I don't think she has good enough potential to produce round notes for me

In the performance of this clip, there's nowhere for me to say that the notes are round and her problems persist in the 4th octave.

 

 

 

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On 20/3/2566 at 14 นาฬิกา 53 นาที, exodus05 said:

what is the edge of Sunny to IU? I know sunny has headvoice but I feel like IU could sing a full song cleaner and more grounded. Correct me if im wrong.

Sunny and IU's approach isn't that different. They both like to singing light/soft  but I don't think IU sounds more grounded than Sunny

2.28 

@2.35  @3.07  @4.11 

And I think Sunny's support is smoother and less issue.

0.58 B4 

3.07 B4 

2.02 B4 

She sometimes has moments that can support higher than the 4th octave.

C5s 

 

@1.19 C5 

And at the SNSD concert, her light singing also helped her to have a passable time with C5/C#5.

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Messica said:

0:48 and 0:52, she was just doing those C#5s and D5s like it was nothing. Her C#5s are about the same as Seohyun's if not she has an easier time. Ironically, Her less developed coordination with her chest in her mix isnt as developed as tiffany's, but even Tiffany can struggle from B4 sometimes. These are really the two things that prevent them from reaching AA-A.

The C5/C#5 I'm referring to isn't in this video and it doesn't happen often to her, it's just the moment she goes there with the tension diminished by her soft/light singing.

 

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6 hours ago, Rico said:

 

hey its me again got back into kpop, eunkwang can support his head voice now or am i hearin sum?

2nd video  @6.50 he can support HV 

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7 hours ago, M0VH said:

 

 

 

1.23 It looks like she is shaking her body to do vibrato

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On 6/20/2023 at 11:03 PM, Rico said:

Baekhyun Bb4s @2:26s not sure what the opinion of him is nowadays but this approach seems more open and supported then before. This is also his first live version of Bambi.

his lower range is some covers I’ve seen seem to be more connected and supported as well as his head voice has he improved noticeably?

 

He still has no support for Bb4 and he had to develop G#4-A4 to become stronger in both open notes and round vowels.

 

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18 hours ago, jeong jaehyuns boyfriend said:

Are they really "average"? I mean, Zhang Hao for example supports consistently up to F4/F#4 and has a handful of supported moments on G4. He also has quite good pitch and his high notes beyond G4 more often than not don't sound very strained, just unsupported. 

They all sound like average to me but I doubt Dk is it really just average?(I don't know the criteria for being A-AA.for male singers) His approach in the F4-G4 range sounds better than what I've heard from the 4th gen average, many people try to call it high average.

 

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