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I would consider Ariana to be mediocre at best. Nonexistent lower register and very inconsistent in the middle (tense midbelts most of the time). Her pitch needs some serious work. She hasn't shown anything lately that I'd consider "decent". 

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like JeA?

lol no. She only had one good note (I think it was a C5?). But it doesn't tell much on how good she used to be vocally. We can assume she was better before, but I don't think she was better than JeA.

 

 

 

I asked this a few pages back but I don't think anyone replied to me. But how well does Jhené Aiko do in these performances?

Sorry if this has been answered and I just didn't see.

 

She didn't do anything challenging vocally in these two videos....so I can't be sure of her ability. But she did okay there. She was singing comfortably. She didn't have any issues there since she was within her comfort zone, which is just fine. I apologize on behalf of those who ignored your question.

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Ariana honestly is not average/mediocre. She's definitely above mediocre.. She's not a strainer, she shows jaw tension which is a bad habit and can easily be eliminated as opposed to throat tension. Her mixing isn't bad, she strains her way up to a B5, but on the usual C5 ~ E5 area, she can have her supported moments. She can tense up and be bad at times, singing bad whistles which are actually falsettos, her lower register isn't impressive but is there. Ariana is above average in my opinion, she has a lot she can work with but she isn't skilled enough yet. She has developed bad habits over the years, but they're much easier to fix than others. She shows common issues other vocalists show, she has consistency problems sure, but she has shown she can do it right if she tries. She's not Mariah Carey of course, but she's not half as bad as people like to exaggerate. It's just Jennifer Hudson, who is inconsistent but can resonate up to F#5 and has her good things going for her. Ariana is young and I hope honestly she does not end up like Christina, but I confidently say she's currently better than Christina at 20, so hopefully she'll fix her mistakes and improve her technique. 

 

 

You didn't provide clear valid reasons to your claim about Ariana. You've said it yourself: she has consistency problems and bad habits. So why would she be above "mediocre/average", considering she's very inconsistent with all these issues going on? Yes she might be able to do better if she tries in your opinion but that is not a valid reason for you to say she's "above mediocre/average" because...she hasn't shown much lately that could be considered as "above mediocre/average".

No it's not. Jennifer Hudson lacks of control and her sense of pitch isn't good. Resonating up to F#5 isn't the only thing going on in singing...but okay. Even so, has Ariana ever resonated lately? When was the last time she did?

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I won't disagree about everything you're saying, but still mediocre is REALLY a bit stretch in my opinion.

Nigguh are you seriously talking to me about resonating not being the only thing in singing? Me who made the whole speech about Luna? I was just mentioning one thing people shit on Jennifer Hudson about, aka she's a strainer but she ain't as bad as they said. 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyMyheQFwOg

 

What do you hear here? I don't hear intonation issues, that's one thing I'll say for now.

 

Well that isn't surprising coming from you. Yes I seriously am and that does not change the fact that Luna is not better than Hyorin or whoever you compared her with before. Wasn't that talk about 'tonality' rather than resonance itself?

My intention of replying to your J.Hudson comment was to inform you why people think she's that "bad" because you seem unaware of the reasons and her issues.

 

I hear tension, that's for sure. Your point? It just convinces me further how inconsistent she is in singing healthily.

 

Because the issues she does have are more easily fixable than the issues a lot of "mediocre/average" singers have, if I'm interpreting correctly. And the good moments she does have are very good.

 

Also guys, I know you all love Mariah Carey but it's not like she never has pitch issues. Or vocal issues in general, especially lately.

 

But for that matter, it's useless to assume her issues are more easily fixable if she hasn't shown to have fix them lately. We're supposed to judge what she has done overall, right? yes she has shown good moments, but there weren't that many lately...only a few. at least from what I've seen.

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............Did you just say "that does not change the fact that Luna is not better than Hyorin". I'm sorry but that statement leads me to believe you think I'm saying otherwise, when I've been clearly the only who has had any evidence as to why I believe Hyorin > Luna and I've clearly explained why I believe that. I'm really curious as to what's not surprising coming from me as we seem to have the same opinion and yet you're talking as if I think Luna is the best out of the 4, which I've stated numerous times it's not the case. I don't disagree, I was just mentioning J.H. isn't as bad as people make her out to be, which you were the first one to say. I'm just stating exactly the same about Ariana. It was a fair comparison.

 

Apart from a very occasional jaw tension, she's not exactly straining and her larynx isn't shooting up. She has an odd placement, but mediocre is like. weak as fuck. She's far from weak, she's just not on point, I'm honestly judging from what I hear and it's not something I can comfortably call mediocre/average. I just can't, if currently she's not as good as she used to be, I would still put her at a Yerin/Minkyung level which is above average.

 

 Oh then my bad. I just thought you claimed that Luna > Hyorin because you brought "are you seriously talking to me about resonating not being the only thing in singing" and so on, which seemed to me like your usual way to defend yourself against some kind of accusation I've indirectly made to you or whatever. But I don't really care who claimed what or who provided the valid evidences because I don't feel that this should be recalled clearly, plus it was irrelevant to the discussion we're having right now. J.Hudson and Ariana both lack of control and consistency. The only thing setting them part is the resonance part. 

 

Your second paragraph is exactly related to why I said it wasn't surprising, coming from you. Everyone here knows your standards are low. You said yourself our "average/mediocre" is your "decent/above average or mediocre". Therefore, we pretty much all agree how "good" of a vocalist Ariana is. End of story. 

 

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You guys need to end it with the standards talk. We're not going to be using the "universal standards". 

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like who is JoJo on the same level as? korean or internationally wtv

 

And do you think singers like taeyeon, hyorin, kyuhyun  etc know about resonance?

 

JoJo is like...on Ailee's level or above. I'm not sure. 

 

I don't think so. Most of them know how to do it, but not the theory/science behind it. 

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There seems to be more than just airiness. Glottal attacks and tension in the cords too, she also used to lower her larynx in her lower notes.

 

Riiiiight. That's because Mariah clearly learned her technique from Jonghyun, aka the king of glottal attacks. 

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Ask Mime bitch, please. It was what she said.

 

 

So...you made that claim, but when I indirectly asked you to explain it, you told me to ask the person who said it instead, which means you are unable to elaborate it for me in your own words and with your own evidences.. If you were unable to explain it further, then you should have worded your statement as "Mime told me.", "according to mime" or you just shouldn't have stated it at all. _/

 

I honestly don't see how that video was an example of glottal attack....

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Voldemin is an ass, jesus...

 

So ,is chesty mix unhealthy? Whitney's damage was caused by the drugs and the chesty mix?

 

If there's too much chesty tone added to the mix, then yes, it can be unhealthy, especially for lighter voices. And no. 

 

I read that Whitney Houston didn't mix, actually....

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV8AmlEZ6Gw

 

 

Watch.

 

Lurking is cool LOL

Hello people! So I have a question. How good is Candice Glover from American Idol? She sounds good to me but I can't really say much since I'm learning... Anyways please answer me ^^

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwXcv-cpNRo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwyOwb87s5I

 

If anyone has ever asked this or talked about this I'm sorry to bring that up again xD

 

Candice is good. 

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Stop existing >.>

 

:soul:  stop copying her words. 

 

Ah, ok.  I read it on that blog post you linked that was comparing/analyzing Mariah/Whitney/Beyonce/Christina/Rihanna....

 

I think they meant she usually didn't change/adjust her placement, which was completely fine since she generally sang with an even-scale  with no loss of resonance nor drop of support. 

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Actually he's right. Falsettos and HV uses the same muscles for productions, just how they are produced is different. Falsettos are disconnected because of incomplete fold closure contrary to HV's complete fold closure, that's why it's basically called "Disconnected Head voice".

 

But still, falsetto is considered a separate register. 

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If we can make resonance without vibrato, why do we say " better technique, better vibrato" 

 

I don't exactly understand your question or what you're trying to get at. Yes, resonating with vibrato shows you have a better technique, but resonating with a straight tone is still good...

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Sr for my bad English. Shinagawa said: " better technique, better vibrato", If Kyuhyun sing high note without vibrato, why do we say he has best techique in male idol?

 

But he has also resonated with vibrato numerous times before... Producing straight tone (without vibrato) resonance doesn't mean you don't have a good technique. Sometimes, singers do it for style, so that doesn't mean they have less of a good technique.

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