Official Vocals thread (READ OP FIRST)

[lepidoptery]

Ailee re-vocalized Heaven again into a slower version, on live streaming concert. The video is up. loved this, it was different

 

 

Can never get into this song, since the first time I heard it it just came off as an inferior version of Umbrella (in spite of Ailee's superior vocal ability, of course).  (And on subsequent listens, within a few bars I'm invariably thinking that I could be listening to (someone's cover of) Umbrella instead....)

Edited August 24, 2013 by lepidoptery

[lepidoptery]

What I want to know is how to you make such a high note without being so airy? Is it just good breathe support or good placement? I can only reach a D6 but I want to be able to sustain up to a E#6

????

[lepidoptery]

They meant Eb6

Oh, ok. XD

[lepidoptery]

Then how is your range F3 ~ F4?

Ahmin, how does a vocal range of one octave (that octave, even) make more or less sense whatever their gender is. XD

[lepidoptery]

 

 

15& Yerin covering Run To You, not live like Taeyeon/Eunji's, and I know Yerin's mediocre, but how's it?  Also, is she using head voice or falsetto for the you-oooh's?

[lepidoptery]

Actually, it's not that bad. Yes, there are technical problems like Airiness,Throatiness,Nasality etc, @2:10 I actually think that note was nicely supported. She was using falsetto,.Yeah, I enjoyed this cover a lot. I love YeRin's voice, her main seem to be Throatiness and Airiness, as those were very apparent throughout the song. *Downloading this performance

 

Incase you are wondering, yes it is less than TaeYeon and Eunji's cover.

Well, that was a given. XD  I was mostly wondering if she outperformed her usual standards or something (though it helps that it's not live....)

 

I wonder if the airiness will ever be addressed, considering this is JYP.  It's the house style, after all! XD

[lepidoptery]

Question: Is it possible to be able to support notes that are belted or rather I can projected but hold for a duration of time, but just ask me to sing a normal scale my voice is shaky? I can belt anything from a C4-D5 but I can't I can support most of my notes and I sound really pitchy unless I hold them and by holding them I mean just that one note only .

I can sustain a note within the range of a C4-D5, I can resonant within this range, but asking me to sing a song with beats and rhythm and my voice gets shaky, I wanted to know if that is possible?

Um.  So... you can't really do legato?  But I guess the reason for that is generally support/breathing.

 

my voice gets close to a squirrels when I try to sing

what should I do ?

(What do squirrels sound like?  Do you mean a (cartoon) chipmunk? XD  I'm not sure real chipmunks sound like anything, either....)

Edited September 4, 2013 by lepidoptery

[lepidoptery]

I'm sorta a perfectionist. So until it's perfect you won't hear it.(Also until I get something that records with good quality to record my voice I won't :P)

 

It was all mixed voice.

The lower register however...well passed like B2...the volume started disappearing it was so sad.

You can ask kongwee for advice on what equipment could be good for a home studio.

 

You probably really could, though. XD

[lepidoptery]

yeah bad.

 

Pitchy and unstable. She got better, I have a few tracks with her more recently now that she's older, a song with Yangpa and she sounds pretty, not great vocally. But at that point she was a very VERY rough diamond at a young ass age. 

I srsly wonder what KKS might be planning/hoping for with Shannon.  Maybe slap her into a duet with Areum. >.>;;;  Unless CCM actually has other semi-promising young trainees in their dungeon.

[lepidoptery]

It was on page 359 between bringthesnacks out and jiyul. I don't think they were necessarily speaking against it, they just said there's a difference between open throat and resonance and I was unclear what they meant. Should I be asking this is PMs?

Open throat's just a prerequisite for being resonant, I thought.  You can be open throat without being resonant but you can't be resonant without being open throat.

[lepidoptery]

Yep. You must be open throat, to be resonant. It's like the Base-alkaline relation basically, all resonance are open throat, but not all open throat are resonant. IDK where you read about open throat being a stylistic technique or a separate technique...

 

Also about the application of fach. I think it's applicable in most cases in pop music. Like people like Sooyoung is very untrained, but one can pretty much guess that she's a Light Lyric Soprano. Or Celine a Full Lyric. Or Beyonce a Lyric Mezzo etc.

lulz at your choice of analogy here. XD  Mimetroupe's not one of them, but we have 13yos on this thread you know.... XD

[lepidoptery]

http://www.livetheshade.com/2012/06/series-first-instalment-in-vocal-summer.html

 

The truth has never been so beautiful 

Hm... i wish that person could link youtube videos of all the performances/notes they reference....  I suppose it would be a lot of work and some videos might go down, though.  (I guess technically they give most of the information needed for someone to find them themselves, but....)

[lepidoptery]

I would say that D.O is better than Chen because he showed that he's capable of achieving resonance; however, Chen isn't too far behind.

 

I think so. Chen's G#4 was open throated, and Baekhyun didn't actually do that good, on second listen.

Are you only referring to whether they were healthy, and not whether they improved over last time?  re: Baekhyun do you mean he didn't do that good this time, or he didn't do that good last time so this time is an improvement?

[lepidoptery]

I still have this problem, because I never spent the time recording myself singing in different ways (or with a vocal teacher) to figure out how I'm actually supposed to sing to sound acceptable outside of my head. XD  Alas!

[lepidoptery]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpPCciM2VZ8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

She's the mezzo-soprano

Is that your youtube account?  Otherwise I guess the uploader will wonder why the views mysteriously went up. XD

[lepidoptery]

Hey guys, sorry to interrupt (jk nobody's here). I usually am a silent lurker, but I was curious about your opinion on my case, please?

Hm... I mean, I know you posted here because you were interested in what the users here could contribute to your general pool of knowledge, but especially for a case like yours, none of us are (medical) doctors (unless some of you have been holding out on the rest of us...) and even if that weren't the case, none of us are your doctor (barring some extreme coincidence).  A lot of your questions should definitely be directed towards your doctors (get as many opinions from as many appropriate specialists as you like who you feel comfortable asking these questions to, even if you won't necessarily like the answers), like the botox treatment question.  Asking us laymen what we think about the procedure is essentially consulting Dr. Google.  (Also, I personally doubt you can eat your way into repairing your vocal cords.... >.> )

Edited September 22, 2013 by lepidoptery

[lepidoptery]

All of them, not a single idol has been trained in Bel Canto.

Well, there's that one chick in Hello Venus, but y'all said she sucks, so.  (Or is she still not trained in Bel Canto even if she's had operatic training?  Wiki sez the term is ambiguous.  Why you gotta be like that.)

 

Melanie is better, apparently she's around Jessica level according to AhMin~ no, they're below him.

... can't tell if you're innocent of the filthiest one of them all.   

[lepidoptery]

First of all you need to understand before you argue, and what you said made zero sense. Secondly, you are vain, rather not argue with you again. Lastly, stop trying to provoke me because it ain't gonna work again.

kongwee thinks "desirable" nasal singing and forward placement is the same thing. >.>

[lepidoptery]

I'm only responding in the same tone that you have spoken to me. Why do you need to know who the lead vocalist is? You're not able to tell by listening? To answer your question, Bomi and NamJoo are the lead vocalists. The rest of this paragraph is completely off-topic and yet again uncalled for, therefore I would not respond. I expect you to be professional.

 

I was asking you to rank them, not to look out for any individual member. Thank you for giving me the order in which you think they rank vocally. I appreciate it.

Dude, they don't get paid for this.  There is actually zero obligation on anyone here to actually answer your questions.  Your expectation is both hilariously misplaced and hilariously entitled.

Edited September 24, 2013 by lepidoptery

[lepidoptery]

It's also not like one can't construct a better post with more materials to evaluate the lead vocals in APink... even if they haven't performed them live, they have all those ongoing collabs with Beast members and such.

[lepidoptery]

Even though I'm interested in vocals from a theoretical standpoint, I've become increasingly less invested in caring about the technical ability of any particular group. XD  I mean, for a kpop group to qualify as good requires just 1 actually decent/good vocalist and then no actually bad ones in the official vocal line.  There are like no popular groups with 2 good vocalists or even 1 good and 1 decent vocalist (unless that's maybe BEG?)  So fussing about GROUP X'S VOCALS ARE ACTUALLY REALLY GOOD is just kind of... dumb, to me.  Because it's just 2 members at most, and that doesn't have anything to do with why someone might love all the other members of the group, nor how engaging their songs or performances might be. XD;;

 

(Although, what did ppl say about She'z again?  I just remember Josias said the "soprano" was a bit strained, but I don't think anyone stuck them in tiers.  I wonder if the "alto" might actually be a mezzo, too....)

 

It's just that in some thread, when they compared Miss A and 4 minute vocals, people kept on saying that Gayoon and jiyoon are power vocals.

Well, Gayoon and Jiyoon have some ambitious notes, so I can sort of see why ppl might imagine that.  Miss A's songs don't tend to have very ambitious ad libs or anything.

 

It sounds more polite than "mediocre".

But like you (?) said, the problem is that OK > average/mediocre, but it's not as obvious when one is says average rather than mediocre. XD

 

A is not average, considering it's the highest mothefucking grade you can get. 

azn parents

 

Also, in some majors/fields, if you aren't able to achieve at A/B levels, you probably wouldn't be taking the class anyway....

[lepidoptery]

I'd rather say average and above average lol 

 

Actually 1 good, one capable or above average would be BEG, SeeYa and CSJH...and that's it. LOL 

No, I know that, I mean there are no groups at all (currently or possibly ever) that actually have 2 vocalists that are good/decent. XD  Obviously there are some with 1.  (Er, are Taeyeon/Luna/Eunji/Hyorin not all decent vocalists?  Their groups are automatically there too.)

 

(Well, maybe a couple boygroups... I don't remember how the breakdown goes for 2AM or KRY, though.)

 

(Did you forget Davichi?)

Edited September 24, 2013 by lepidoptery

[lepidoptery]

2AM is pretty safe actually. Davichi well Minkyung is above average, but like Dana >>>> and Narsha >>> so like... and Bokyung >>> 

Oops, I misread what you originally wrote, so nvm. XD  ("1 good, one capable or above average would be" didn't parse the way you intended.)  But yeah, so there are only 3 groups across SO MANY YEARS with at least 2 at-least-decent vocalists, and only one of them has experienced notable popularity with the kpop boom as far as I'm aware.  So there's little point bragging about the awesome vocals of almost all kpop groups.  Take out the one member and like, congrats, you basically have Miss A! :D

[lepidoptery]

SES or FINKL though? If their main vocalists were that good they should have had atleast someone above average too?

 

And weren't SG wannabe a ballad/vocal group?

Maybe, but no one is invested in them being good or not, so. XD;;  (Though I'm curious about the answer to your question, too.)

 

Also, was Jungah from Jewelry good?  Speaking of old groups....

[lepidoptery]

Ok, I don't know that much about them but I thought that as BEG, SeeYa and Davichi who don't tick all idol boxes can be there then they could too.

 

Extra info: I looked at SG Wannabe's wikipedia page and apparently they were vocal coaches for SeeYa

oh ok

Well, it's more that they haven't been around in ages. SeeYa only just broke up for real like last year or something, CSJH has not officially admitted they've broken up or anything.  Davichi and BEG may or may not be considered idols depending on who you ask, but they are actually still around.