Official Vocals thread (READ OP FIRST)

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1 hour ago, Tsukimono said:

Adding onto my earlier post about this girl... some more content from her.

In my mind now she supports.. surely she's at least P? Her belts sounds stronger than the likes of Wendy especially in the D5-F5/F#5 range...

She sounds at the very minimum to have C#5/D5

I don't hear that she's better than Wendy, she's just lighter so sounds less tense but even then she sounds pushed and tight and her coordination development isn't as strong as Wendy

From the clip I can't hear that she has a better good vowel or a more open notes than Wendy

1 hour ago, Tsukimono said:

Adding onto my earlier post about this girl... some more content from her.

In my mind now she supports.. surely she's at least P? Her belts sounds stronger than the likes of Wendy especially in the D5-F5/F#5 range...

She sounds at the very minimum to have C#5/D5

 

Edited August 25, 2022 by RATY

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On 8/30/2022 at 6:33 PM, NMSyamin said:

I don't really sure whether this is head voice or not but sounds like falsetto for me, does it support?

3:00

 

1:33 support?

 

You heard right, the first video was falsetto and in the 2nd video part I'm confused with your timestamp, what happened that minute?....do you mean falsetto at 1.40?

 

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10 hours ago, BAZISSINO said:

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMNwBVC9H/

 

 

Is there Eb5 in here? I only hear C5 D5 F5.

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Jooyeon (Xdinary Heroes ) show head voice . He seems to have potential.

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4 hours ago, himi said:

some 4th gen male vocal update/showcase~

 

 

 

Out of everyone, Junho is the most surprising to me. He didn't strike me as higher than Weak during Produce/X1 but these clips sound quite close to average. Seems like he's stronger than Seungwoo , Junho is the most surprising to me. He didn't strike me as higher than Weak during Produce/X1 but these clips sound quite close to average. Seems like he's stronger than Seungwoo

Sangyeon isn't as weak as the initial consensus was. More like W-A.

The TNX guy actually has some better clips with some nice G4~G#4 but I only discovered them after making the showcase so yeah expect some more updates of him in the future lol

I hope you add Xdinary Heroes.

Jooyeon & Jungsu have potential, at least for the 4th gen standards. It seems that JYP's vocals are good in this generation.

 

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9 hours ago, SanaReleaseYourHoldOnMe said:

Hi, since you have reviewed that short clip of NCT's Yuta singing L'arc en Ciel's ''Honey'', I wanted to ask - is he good compared to Japan's best male vocalists ?

I don't know who the best Japanese male singer  but Yuta is still a technically underdeveloped singer and I think there are a lot of people better than him.

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On 9/5/2022 at 11:57 AM, Sarah Oon said:

This might be Ningning best attempt at runs and being full in her midrange/chest voice. 

She support F#3s and 0.29 Eb3 sounds good too. Ningning was very comfortable with her low range, I think she has potential and she probably won't stop at F#3.

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2 hours ago, BAZISSINO said:

Not really it hit with a lowered larynx 

I never thought it was really support, I'm just saying it sounds good compared to the other Sopranos, she is comfortable in her low rang

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Halle is so good

 

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3 hours ago, Tsabar said:

You all should check the recent Immortal Songs episode, Minhye, Boram, Ailee, Sunye, Lim Jeonhee and Bada competing against each other, quite exciting !

I just listened to Sunye @3.11. I don't know if people here would call it an resonance but at least it's a nice and open note , unfortunately when she went to C#5 Her throat was slightly closed, not open like the previous C5.

 

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9 hours ago, ZRH23 said:

John Park didn’t regress, he’s just not as impressive as we initially thought . Not sure bout his ranking just yet, I just listen to him generally and he barely puts in effort in his mixed. Like, very barely. I don’t remember the last time he even tried to ‘belt’ something out, he mostly just goes for some lazy phrases around D4s - E4s, which isn’t exactly Proficient worthy when you’ve got tenors like Hongki or Junsu resonating consistently lol. He does have well rounded registers, but overall, he just doesn’t seem to have the capacity in his mixed range. It’s can be quite raw and unrefined too. 
 

Yeah, Hwanhee isn’t a baritone. He’s just a heavier tenor who sings darker and sort of neglects anything beyond G#4. I think Scott Hoying is indeed a baritone. He was never on the same level as belts as Hwanhee (it’s not like he regularly sustained G#4s lol) and plus, he’s much brighter in coordination, which makes sense and is still comfortably within the expected sound for a baritone. 

John Legend is also a chestier baritone who’s alright in his mixed, though he has some stylistic tendencies according to his genre. He mixes around and above G4 range often, but the sound is definitely different. 

 

I’m not too sure of the extent of Chi Yeul’s support, he might’ve shown some better moments above that perhaps. 
 

Baritones belting around G4/G#4 would be quite a different sound compared to tenors. The easiest way for me to explain it is by just imagining tenors struggling on C5s. They’ll have to adjust their vowels, more often than not, and their vocal tract also has to shaped to be more narrow. It’ll result in a more thinned out, pinched sound that obviously would take up a lot of effort and big adjustments to how they approach the notes. Think of the usual K-pop tenor navigating through a passage in the 5th octave. At best, maybe the advanced ones like Park Hyo Shin can manage the passages at C5 with more fullness but there’s still gonna be a degree of compression because of how much you have to adjust your tract. It’s possibly for tenors to land a more ‘free’ sound on C5s, but usually it’s a pushed, bright open vowel climax note kinda thing. You don’t hear them approaching back-to-back C5s with full on belting. 
 

That’s what baritones would most likely have to do when singing G4/G#4s lol. It’s possible of course, but not with the kind of intensity/approach that Chi Yeul did. He was just passing through the G4s just fine, except for his own issues, but he didn’t struggle with having to compress it or adjust his tract. Baritones don’t fizz out on or after A4 specifically, but it’s a very high note to be ‘belting’ on. I haven’t really heard a tenor ‘belting’ on C#5s without some obvious brightness and compression. 
 

About Changyeon, unfortunately no, he’s not really resonating anywhere in the performance. He’s just quite bright. @3:46, that’s thin and pushed, but it’s bright so it doesn’t sound too ugly. @3:52, again, thin and kinda more in the throat imo, even the G4 after isn’t that strong tbh. The G4 carries support, I meant that he doesn’t have the coordination to make it ‘resonant’ and it’s nothing much. @4:19, bright and high larynx. He’s an AA as far as I’ve heard. 
 

Han Dong Geun also has some quirks that’s got to do with his larynx position (most prominently) but I think it mostly translates to messy tongue lol. He gets rather pushy, but I’ve heard some quite nice belts up to G#4s, with some nice vowels and passable resonance imo. His A4s get a bit too pushed for me though. There could be some better moments. He’s got a nice lower range too, at least around C3, and most probably carries it down in 2nd octave too. 
 

Low notes are one of the aspects to listen to when identifying tenor or baritones, sure, but we gotta take into account on how Woorim sings. It’s not a really solid comparison between him and other pop tenors. Woorim is straight up ‘classical’ and he’s singing with a lowered larynx 90% of the time. This isn’t necessarily bad (though it’s not exactly proper by opera standards) but it does change the sound of his lows. There are some operatic tenors who can sound strong down to F2-Eb2 areas still. And personally, I do hear some tenor quality even in the low notes. 

Like in that first video, I’d expect a baritone of that coordination to be way fuller, and passing through that passage with less intensity spikes. Even with just normal pop larynx, I can phrase around A2/G#2 in just speaking sort of tone and effort, without the added ‘dips’ into the notes like what he’s doing. And he’s at his limit around F2/E2 (almost fry), which is low even for baritones, but I think if a baritone with that coordination were to sing it, it would’ve been way more present and less muddy. 

I have no idea but the raps they do can be pretty high pitched, so I wouldn’t be surprised if they were tenors. 
Yes, Jung Joon Il is a tenor.  The convict is also a tenor . 
 

The E4 is giving me tenor vibes ngl. He doesn’t have that much presence there, yknow like I would’ve thought a baritone with that kind of larynx position would’ve sounded heavier. But he was not as low-larynxed there, it was a bit brighter so I think it’s a bit clear for me to be more of a tenor. 
 

The F4 has much more of a consistently low larynx position but again, it doesn’t exactly scream baritone to me. But there’s room in that clip for doubt. 
 

@0:40, his speaking range is more like a tenor’s to me. It can be a bit lower here and there cuz he likes to talk in fry (or sometimes even straight up low larynx too) but there’s a lot of moments there where he mainly talks in E3 - G#3 range, even up to Bb3ish in certain phrasing. He goes around A2ish at the end of phrases but again, it’s more like fry.

@1:00, meanwhile Chanyeol is averaging around B2 - F2, E3ish at the top phrases here and there. 

It’s not necessarily foolproof, but considering Woorim goes into the low larynx, dark sound 90% of the time (even when he’s speaking ), it’s the most direct comparison we can get. Chanyeol’s speaking range is pretty low by comparison, it just doesn’t sound like it. 
 

@0.50, peaks at around F#3ish but he mostly just stays at G2 area. 
 

So yeah, I think he’s a tenor probably. But that’s just me (and C.Y pointed it out to me along with an example of an operatic tenor who can produce the kind of sound Woorim is making in the lower ends of second octave). 

If Hwanhee wasn't a baritone, what would his rank be?

He can produce open notes up to G#4 but he generally has a slightly rough style in mixed voice, he doesn't have a supporting head voice. How much does his A2 help him? G#4 isn't that impressive if he's not a baritone.

I don't know how much gap there is with the lyric tenor .

 

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2 hours ago, WWW3 said:

Are you guys sure that Seungyoon is a tenor? I have seen him used headvoice on F4 and I honesty don't think tenors can use the upper register that low.

 

Seungyoon thinks of himself as a baritone too but when he performed this in front of a world-class soprano from Korea. She immediately protested to Seungyun that he sounded more like a tenor than a baritone.

0.12 F4 0.16 G4 He clearly shows tenor. The baritone wouldn't coordinate like this and that caused Sunmi Jo, who was familiar with the classics, knew immediately that he was not a baritone. The head voice can't really be used to identify his case, it's not developed.

 

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5 hours ago, BAZISSINO said:

The ranking and rant talk pinned comment got me like 

I can't move past jisoo rank I'm sorry you all

 

He obviously failed in the rankings this time.

I've read a lot of the comments that people argue against him and some of them seem more reasonable than him

Rose above Winter and Seulgi above Ningning

Even though aespa lacked material, she showed us things how well she was doing, for example Ningning sang this song from G3-C5

She doesn't have a tongue tension like Seulgi 

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20 hours ago, jaedimps said:

New Jaehyun cover... 2:50 this part is too low for him right?
 

It's a note F#2-G#2 from the lower larynx and this clip he support C#3-Eb3 

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On 9/23/2021 at 10:47 PM, BabyKBK said:

The standard for everything except mix voice (even there..) is low. Like idk how some notes get a pass.

0:08 Amazing voice but it's quite shallow

0:18 I don't think yeah..

0:42 Quite airy

1:10 That sounds more like a relaxed falsetto than HV. 

2:32 Weak and tight imo

 

I only meant to point out a few but quite a lot of these are barely supported and more relaxed. 

 

So I searched for conversations about standard head voice. I would like to know about the minimum standards for head voice support? 

 

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1 hour ago, Lovelinuz said:

New sustained C5 from Kei

 

 

2.54 Good support but I'm still not impressed with her belt.

 

30 minutes ago, nana_moon said:

new Baekho vocal content ~ (glad he finally got to sing live for his solo debut)

In this clip,his voice is stuck in his nose throughout the show, it was both thin and sounded weak, there was nothing I felt he was doing well except for the low around Eb3.

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On 11/14/2022 at 9:11 PM, nana_moon said:

to talk about some hags, i'm curious - are Woohyun and Sunggyu still AA and A respectively? i think that was what the blog rated them. i was just wondering because i think i vaguely recall the thread saying Woohyun had been overrated or something like that

Woohyun is still AA for me.

I wasn't that familiar with him and as far as I could remember about him was that I wasn't very impressed with his mixed voices, he still lacked a good mid-range.What is overrated for him is likely to be about resonant and consistency in terms of placement. He doesn't sound like a high AA for me

 

@2.09 G#4  @3.03 and 3.10 F#4 @3.16 and 3.25 G4 3.30 F#4

 

0.22 G#4 He sounds better here. 

Sunggyu

I remember he was evaluated as an A-AA and from the video you submitted he did well during the F4-G4 range, giving a good sound throughout the clip

 

 

 

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16 hours ago, namyuactivist said:

 

does luna still got it??? 

1st video: head voice still supports Bb5, she performs B4 well @0.39C#5 Support is still strong.

3rd video : E5 I feel a slightly high larynx, the D5 and C#5 is fine,it support 

I  think she hasn't changed anything, she still lacks a strong midrange voice and a more round vowel.

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22 hours ago, namyuactivist said:

 

hello can someone give a quick brief review from the vocals of this top boy group in the philippines. i know majority of them are weak, but i just wanted to know yall insights about the middle and the right one

There are members who can support. I guess they're somewhere in W-A.

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1 hour ago, BAZISSINO said:

He was never ranked as a high AA, he was more Mid AA 

Oh, I'm not very familiar with male singer ranks.  I looked at the chart from the picture, I assumed that KVA put him on high AA

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1 hour ago, Sarah Oon said:

Most people now put her above Winter, but I could see an argument for either or since Winter is still lacking material. Goeun is similar to Seulgi where she has the stuck sound but generally she can be fuller than Winter even though winter is a lot cleaner with her singing. 

Where are most of the people you mention?

 

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11 hours ago, Igsv said:

Can someone help me with some questions regarding Park Minhye's most recent performances?

 

I know it's a lot of questions and material, but I was curious if there was any improvement in her support, considering there are some lower note materials and she's singing songs that go beyond her support that goes up to Eb5/E5, plus there were very few materials to determine the support in its head voice and now I think it's safe to say that she is consistent with its support up to Bb5/B5.
 

So, does her support go from G3/G#3-E5( are some of her F5/F#5's is supported?)-Bb5/B5?
I have a good question, why in last year's ranking she was below Luna? Both supported range are similar, both have problems in the middle region and I believe that Park Minhye has a more consistent support in mix/belt area up to Eb5/E5 and both are equal in head voice?

 

The E5 in belt, after the F#5 in head voice @3:00

F5 @7:00

G5 @18:57
G#5 @19:53

F#5-E5 @08:38

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrfrfjVwJ-s

 

F#3's, G3's @0:18-0:36
F5 @2:00

Is it consistent with support up to Bb5/B5 in head voice? Is it resonant?
@7:10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go1E79-_5qM

@2:45 Bb5/B5-G5

@2:49

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBimrDg5jRU

@2:39

@2:49

F5-F#5 @4:01
F#5 @4:15

F#5 @2:06 @3:42 mixed voice or head voice? Supported?
Heard some F#3's, G3's and G#3's @2:33-2:45. Do they have support? What is the lowest supported note?

Is E5 @4:06 supported? Sounds like one of her best E5s I've heard since last year

E5-F#5-A5-G5 @4:42, are notes supported?

Is E5 supported? @11:31

 Her most recent solo release has several interesting notes, the E5 phrasing seems supported @26:24
What about the F#5 @26:35? F#5-G5-F#5 @26:50? F5's @27:02 @27:14-27:17

E5's F#5 @11:30
E5 @24:05
 F#5 @24:15? F#5-G5-F#5 @24:32? F5's @24:42 @24:54-25:00

E5 @2:25
What about F#5 @2:35? F#5-G5-F#5 @2:53? F5's @3:03 @3:15-3:20

This is her most recent performance and the bass and belts seem better than the other videos, I would say this F#5 and G5 are her best, it looks like some of Sohyang's performances in Immortal Song

F#3's @0:45 1:43
E5 @2:55
F#5-G5 @2:58-3:08 this F#5 and G5 looks her best, the quality compared to others is better. Can you say it has a little support?
F5 3:47

What Hyolyn note is this @0:12-0:16? An E3? The pitch is low and it's pretty low to hear. Is it supported?

 

 

Thank you very much to anyone who can answer me

I don't feel that her support will be stronger than Luna at all during the C5-D5. In addition to Park Min Hye lacking a strong mid-range, she generally doesn't have a round vowel, which in this section I think Luna can do better than her as well as the development of the C5-D5 range area and from the clip you provided, I think Hyolyn is closer to the F5/F#5 area than her, and I think Eunji mixed voice better than her in that area. Personally, I think in general, Park Min Hye's head voice is better than Luna.

I personally haven't heard anything look like to Sohyang and her F#5-G5 range area, I would say that her vocal cords are still not developed enough to receive them.

However, I'm not familiar with singer rankings, so the person who made it will give you the best answer

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On 11/30/2022 at 5:02 PM, Bloob said:

Hi! Just wondering how Hyolyn's E5-F5 are still good from the recent concert of hers? I think most of them sound pretty decent, but just wanted to make sure... Thank you!!

2:57 F5-D5

2:36 E5-Eb5

2:54, 3:17, 3:46

 

2:23 F5

2:17 E5

2:15 F5

3:04 F5

Most of the F5 still has a pushed and slightly high larynx, the last clip of F5 sound very strianed 

 

On 11/30/2022 at 3:26 PM, sergel said:

Can anyone with a better ear than me tell me what that note around 3:34 is? It sounds like the highest note, outside the falsettos I guess. It’s wonpil’s song so I’d imagine it would be the same key.

 

 

Bb4 

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57 minutes ago, Tsabar said:

I disagree, some of those are passable imo.

 I agree, so I opted for the word mostly  instead of saying they were all that way imo. 

 

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