Official Vocals thread (READ OP FIRST)

[lepidoptery]

You know what, just never mind. Forget it.

But,Acapella listen to this~ TaeYeon,Sunny,Tiffany @ 1:00 Where "All' of the girls should be singing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fefzNth5Lmg

No Jessica, at all.

Case Closed.

... randomly, Seohyun's left boob is like perfectly centered in that picture, because the "loading" symbol keeps circling it. 

 

Ugh, they pronounce "baby" kind of like Britney does.  (Well, I guess "ay" is a rounder vowel than "ee", but....)

Edited August 5, 2013 by lepidoptery

[lepidoptery]

So in Badman... Daehyun does... 3:24 sustained A#4 to C5, 3:33 sustained C5 to D#5, 3:39 C5-F5-D#5-C5-D#5-C5.  It's not falsetto in studio, I think.  OTOH he's singing on top of himself so I wonder what's going to happen in the lives. XD  (But he haaaaaas to do the high notes, he always does them for lives, so... either they'll have backtrack or Youngjae do the chorus at that point....)

[lepidoptery]

Oh lord, I can hear him screaming/straining them now.

(Indeed.)

 

Daehyunnie hwaiting! 

 

(If it comes out as well as One Shot perfs, I'll be happy....)

[lepidoptery]

 

ew. LOLOL It's super unsexy, it's the most monotonous tone ever.. lol I think Hyorin's tone is pretty because it's pink. LOLOL It's all pink and girly, whereas Ailee's is more white and blue, angelic, yknow ...Taeyeon is more of an orange purple..LOL OMG WHY AM I DESCRIBING THEM WITH COLORS LOL and guys voices I describe kinda with food, like Onew is caramel, Jonghyun is kinda like steely kinda more of a tone, and then Taemin sounds really puberscent and bright LOL

... claims to describe male voices with food, proceeds to do so on only 1 out of 3 examples.... >.>

 

If you were in a kpop band, you'd get labeled "the 4D one" pretty quickly imo. :p

 

(Or just "the ditz".)

Edited August 7, 2013 by lepidoptery

[lepidoptery]

I googled both. So I'm weird but I'm a valley dumb chick? Excuse u I'm smart.

Of course you are, ahmin~ <patpats>

[lepidoptery]

legit. I double that. Kim Jin ho. Not,Kim Jo Han?

HOe needs to go. He the reason why our bby girl is inconsistent.

Doubtful, considering Jessica's always been inconsistent.  Who was her vocal trainer before, anyway?

[lepidoptery]

Kim Johan with taeyeon as her partner for about 1 or 2 years.

I thought that was Taeyeon and Jessica's current trainer.

 

This guy

Is that The One?  I can't really watch anything right now.  So have Taeyeon and Jessica always shared vocal trainers?

[lepidoptery]

Belatedly, I was actually asking who Jessica's previous coach was, because I'd assumed she had one before the one she now shares with Taeyeon.  But I guess she's been with this guy for a while even if Taeyeon had someone else, and if she had someone before him it's either under contention or not common knowledge... so nevermind.

[lepidoptery]

I know that in Big Bang's predebut days, Taeyang was meant to be a rapper but then became a vocalist when Big Bang was being formed. All of them worked on their vocals and definitely had a vocal coach, but from what I know of YG and Big Bang they probably got rid of the guy when Big Bang got popular (aka Lies era in 2007) and then they stopped trying to improve cause they were already "great" or whatever. Not so sure about 2ne1 (bromide could probably tell you more) but Bom was a trainee for a looooooooong time. 

2NE1 had vocal training for Minzy, CL and Bom I think, Dara didn't do as intense training because she has already been a success in the Phillipenes. They where all going to debut as solos but somehow became a group after recording a song. I guess the only good vocalists to come out of YG are Gummy and Lee Hi

Fortunately for Lee Hi she is attending a performing arts high school now, so whatever the situation is with vocal training at YG will probably not affect her for a while.

[lepidoptery]

Soon we will see if SunMi's spent her time away from fame well (discounting that she had to leave school and everything).  I guess she'd be the most reliable indicator of how JYP's vocal training is shaping up (considering all the recent girls weren't home-grown... oh, I guess there was JJProject....)

[lepidoptery]

Also, with that kind of breakdown Ahmin, SNSD isn't that far ahead of the other groups, really? XD  It's just that after you knock out the main vocal of each group (all being pretty even), in SNSD there's Jessica and Seohyun who are mediocre, vs. the other groups with only one at-best-mediocre vocalist....

[lepidoptery]

Thank you so much for replying. I always think Gyuri is better than Boram but this is fine...

Is Bohyung better than Lee Hi and Gyuri better than Soyu? And isn't Hyorin below Haeri and JeA? I'm confused

Did you mean BoA, soloist, or Boa, also of Spica?  (I think you can guess which each respondent assumed you meant....)

[lepidoptery]

Oh no Minkyung is not as good as Narsha, did you watch Narsha do a highnote in Sixth sense? It's super high and she did the last part which is very flexible. What about Lina, Dana, Sunday and Stephanie of CSJH The Grace and Taeyeon jessica Tiffany Seohyun Sunny of SNSD?

 

I mean Boa of Spica, BoA te solo is a vocal legend, right?

I believe the first person who responded to you/that you quoted to thank was thinking of BoA the soloist (as reflected in the spelling), while the second was thinking of Boa in Spica (ranked below Bohyung).

Edited August 15, 2013 by lepidoptery

[lepidoptery]

Luna>Hyorin?

... didn't ppl say like 5 times in the last few pages that Taeyeon/Hyorin/Luna/Eunji are all sort-of approximately just about on the same level?

[lepidoptery]

Has Bom improved at all? She said she was taking vocal lessons again.

 

I think in Bom's case, unless you can post an instance where she sings in legato, ppl here are just going to assume it isn't happening.  (Chung, do you follow 2ne1 closely enough to be able to notice if it were to happen? XD)

[lepidoptery]

probably because he never leaves his comfort zone~ The highest note is a D#4. Which is pretty low, considering how he's belted like E5s and all that. The problem is his lower notes. 

What's the lowest note in that performance?  (Or what is it supposed to be/what did he actually achieve?)

 

I was gonna say at some point that Badman is a terrible song performance-wise for Daehyun, 'cause it goes both high (F5) and low (A#2), and his first verse in Crash (which went to maybe D3) wasn't that hot during lives... but I'm hoping that they are somehow getting sleep during this promo period (hah!) and they'll produce something reasonable for evaluation on a radio show.

 

(So is that 2 octaves, 4 notes, and a semitone, or...?)

 

(I once lulzed at Daesung apparently not being able to go below D3 or C3, BUT APPARENTLY THAT'S NOT REALLY UNCOMMON.  99% of kpop idols suck, exhibit 123893429871.)

 

She was horrible during ILY comeback. And I haven't been able to watch their FIL and DYLM lives. She was clearly better in her pre debut though.

You "haven't been able"... like, you haven't had the chance, or is it more like the body is able but the spirit is not willing? XD

Edited August 15, 2013 by lepidoptery

[lepidoptery]

tempo isn't really important, considering this is a performance of the national anthem. I think many singers often choose to stretch out certain notes, or make small pauses. It's the same with the Star Spangled Banner~ 

 

er, the lowest note is D#3? lol. Aegukga is exactly an octave in range. Baekhyun hit it, but it was really soft lol.

 

if you're talking about A#2 (he can do an A#2?) to F5 then that's 2 octaves and 5 whole steps. (does it count like that? lol I'm unfamiliar with this.) 

Yes, that is Daehyun's range in Badman.  I guess he can sing an A#2 in studio, whatever that is worth... usually they wouldn't do pitch correction down an entire note, would they? >.>  Like I said, I'm not betting on it live, since his D3s in Crash weren't that hot.  Hm... is an octave C3 to C4, for example, or would that be an octave and 1 step? XD  I feel like for consistency's sake it should be the latter (so N octaves would be [N*7], rather than [N*7+1]), but as far as vocabulary goes my instinct says it's the former?

 

I knew it started off low (first note is actually C3 and not D3 like I'd previously thought) but I FOOLISHLY ASSUMED he didn't have to go any lower than that since I knew from Crash that it wasn't a sure thing, but I guess their composers aren't terribly thoughtful. >.>  The A#2 is "neun" in deullineun in the first line. http://colorcodedlyrics.com/2013/08/b-a-p-badman-2

 

Also in this song, Himchan (subvocal) is supposed to sing some C3s (he sings an octave down from Youngjae in the prechorus).  I don't think this is really going to happen either, but I wonder if it means he's a(nother (terrible)) stealth tenor, or just a(nother) terrible baritone.

 

(Someone will probably correct me by the time this actually posts, but assuming an octave is N*7 and not N*7+1, I thought it would be F3 to F5 = 2 octaves + 1 note, then E3, D3, C3, B2, and Bb2/A#2 (the semitone).  Oh wait, that would be either 2 octaves, 5 steps, and a semitone, or 2 octaves, 4 steps, and a semitone, right?)

Edited August 15, 2013 by lepidoptery

[lepidoptery]

A few Eb3's and Eb4's, it sounded nice. I don't think I heard any true resonance, lovely sound though~ but yes Bb2 ~ F5 is like 2 octave (Bb2 ~ Bb4) and a fifth, which is 3 notes and a half. 

F3 to F5, then E3, D3, C3, B2, and Bb2/A#2

^

Can I count it this way?  It's not 2 octaves, 4 notes and a semitone?  (Is it 'cause F3 to E3 and C3 to B2 are half-steps?)

Edited August 15, 2013 by lepidoptery

[lepidoptery]

omg idk how people count that. That's why I just said 2 octaves and 3 whole steps and 1 half step (OMG I COUNTED WRONG THE FIRST TIME OMG i'm ashamed), cause that's exactly what it is.

 

;_;

Well, apparently N octaves is (N*7+1), but beyond that I dunno. >.>;;  Lulz, thanks, though.

 

(That is, with my piano background, even if I stopped playing half my lifetime ago, I should have been able to figure it out, the math person in me kind of hates it though.)

 

WELL ANYWAY, LIKE 2.5 OCTAVES IN ONE SONG WITH VIGOROUS CHOREOGRAPHY, WHAT A SHITTY IDEA.

Edited August 15, 2013 by lepidoptery

[lepidoptery]

Was the F5 head or... don't worry, SHINee do the same usually, like Jonghyun going up in his F5's and whatnot. 

... it's actually mix, I'm pretty sure!  It didn't sound like his obvious falsettos--actually, I'm pretty sure he does C6 in falsetto in Burn It Up.  And it didn't quite sound like that reinforced dolphin screech he did live with I Believe I Can Fly (which was a G5 or a G#5 iirc), but I could be wrong.

 

 

A#2 ~0:11, F5 ~3:36.

 

 

C6??? in falsetto ~0:54 (and then another one).  I can't tell what that note is, halp.

 

IS THAT JUST A C5.  WHY ARE YOU DOING A C5 IN FALSETTO.  I guess because it's what the song calls for WHY YOU GOTTA MISLEAD ME LIKE THAT.

Edited August 15, 2013 by lepidoptery

[lepidoptery]

Well....it's not like every note between the lowest and highest note was sung. 

It's the range itself that's the problem.

[lepidoptery]

So that's the problem, thanks.

 

 

Oh I mean that damn high note is very high and flexible.

I wanna know the ranking, is this the actual ranking?

And isn't BoA ranked before everyone else? That won't make sense?

Yeonji >Haeri >JeA >Taeyeon >Dana >Lina >Hyorin >Narsha >Boram >Minkyung >Bohyung >Jessica >Sunday >Tiffany >Seohyun > Gain> Boa > Gyuri >Sunny >Soyu >Raina?

No... the first person who thought you were talking about BoA put her around Narsha and Minkyung, which I believe is in the range of thread consensus.  The "actual ranking" gets shuffled around whenever new information comes in, but usually people don't jump around that much.

[lepidoptery]

It wouldn't be a problem if he could carry the notes well, like support them and whatnot.

Well yes, the range is the problem because it's not a comfortable range for him, otherwise it wouldn't actually be a problem, would it? :p

[lepidoptery]

BoA isn't a very strong vocalist. If you're not including Ailee.. no that Ranking is inaccurate. But yes the F6 was just high and it was whistle register, which isn't like a register everyone works on so just based on that, you're not automatically good..

Ailee > Yeonji > Haeri > Lina > JeA > Hyorin/Taeyeon/Luna/Eunji >Dana/Narsha/Boram  (Discussable) > Minkyung/Sunday/BoA (these 3 are discussable()  Seohyun/Jessica > Boa > Bohyung > Gain > Gyuri > Tiffany/Sunny > Soyu > Raina ...is this gyuri from SeeYa? Cuz if so then yeah...

 

Oh those were C5's lol I didn't hear a Bb2 btw, only C3... the F5 yes sounds like a mix...he hit Eb5 and F5, not that throaty... srsly men hitting those notes. ugh. so unnecessary. 5evah lol anyway (Im just jealous)

Yes, I figured out it was a C5 in Burn It Up just now... I was misled because it was falsetto, but obviously that was a stylistic choice rather than a necessity. >.>

 

I'm hearing (from the beginning) C3-G3-F3-F3-D#3 C3-C3-A#2-C3-D#3, the A#2/Bb2 is "neun" in deullineun.

 

(Would being unable to sing C3 make Himchan a shitty baritone or merely a shitty vocalist? XD  Actually, what I mean is would he be disqualified from being a baritone or could he just be a bad one?)

Edited August 15, 2013 by lepidoptery

[lepidoptery]

Himchan is a baritone? lol Uh yes. lol and oh yes u r right, I apologize. I do hear the Bb2. lol I should've done this not at midnight. lol

Lol, well I managed to miss the fact that his starting note wasn't his lowest the first 50 times I heard this song....

 

No idea if Himchan is a baritone, but he's one of those rapper-vocalists that gets thrown out there as possible baritones... except with BYG and Zelo in the group he doesn't do much rapping... or much singing....

 

He's really raspy, so I don't know if he has (ever produced) a full tone and I dunno how to hear for if he's obviously not a baritone.  That why I asked if he could still be a stealth tenor rather than a bad baritone. XD

Edited August 15, 2013 by lepidoptery