Official Vocals thread (READ OP FIRST)

[ZRH23]

First BoA, now an Ailee stan  ?!?!  Next thing we find out is you're actually an SNSD stan  

 

Sohyang doesn't get enough credit for her vowel shaping, especially on "EE". I get shook every time 

 

The reality of all this is hitting so hard cuz I was this close to being a Kpop idol(trainee, I guess), but I backed out because of scary competition  I decided to just go for the the arts teacher path  for high school students because I wanted to guide lost adolescents who are in need of an adult figure 

 

His coordination is overly light and there's a lack of roundness really anywhere. There's some audible pushing + tension when he tries to go beyond veryyy light on G4, like 1:34, 1:40, 1:46, 1:48 in the first clip all those G4s are lacking proper coordination, clarity, roundness, are tense, etc. F#4-E4 2:15 The F#4 is still a bit tense, but not as bad as the G4s with the locked jaw, probably has "some degree of support" if you want to call it that, and the E4 is fine. The second clip's F#4 at 0:05 is really light. It's not strained, but it's still somewhat tight. 0:19 that G4 is tense + tight, etc. Sustained F#4 the vowel isn't shaped properly, so it's really small, the coordination as a whole isn't very good

 

From these two clips, the singing  demonstrated doesn't have a "very solid sense of support" as the blog would put it. The coordination isn't very strong and he lacks roundness due to improper vowel shaping. He can't handle his singing very well when he tries to add power because his muscle development is quite weak. He cute tho 

Hm, I don't think he has just some degree of support. He sounds like he can support properly though the muscle coordination does sound overly light. At least in the Weekly Idol video. The first video seemed to display more solid support so it might well be a preference for him anyways. The F#4s at the choruses were quite a bit lighter than the sustained one, but he doesn't sound tense. Maybe a bit of pushing but not really tense. The second video, I agree that his support is less than desirable lol but he's not exactly shallow. G4/G#4 are tense but not that bad, I don't think it's strained yet. Maybe if he sustains them.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAsiZU49nEc

 

This guy intrigues me LOL.  start from 0.21, he sings lightly but I really don't think he sounds shallow. Maybe I'm wrong but it does sound like he supports properly. 0.40, that was a surprising change lol. But it sounds nice, but maybe a bit pushed.

Edited December 5, 2017 by ZRH23

[ZRH23]

 

I'm really not one to try and separate who is less weak than who since that's not my website  Rather than debating what "some degree of support" means since I don't even use terms like that, you can see from his torso in the first clip that his "breath support" isn't very solid at all since he's not keeping his abdomen expanded after inhalation while singing. It's deflating through the lines and keeps having to take a breath after every few words. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure why you mentioned separate who is less weak than who since,,,well, he wasn't being compared with anybody lol. Well, okay, I could be wrong. Maybe his breath support isn't that developed but I think it is to an extent, developed nicely. Meh, we'll see.

[ZRH23]

First BoA, now an Ailee stan ?!?! Next thing we find out is you're actually an SNSD stan

 

Sohyang doesn't get enough credit for her vowel shaping, especially on "EE". I get shook every time

 

The reality of all this is hitting so hard cuz I was this close to being a Kpop idol(trainee, I guess), but I backed out because of scary competition I decided to just go for the the arts teacher path for high school students because I wanted to guide lost adolescents who are in need of an adult figure

 

His coordination is overly light and there's a lack of roundness really anywhere. There's some audible pushing + tension when he tries to go beyond veryyy light on G4, like 1:34, 1:40, 1:46, 1:48 in the first clip all those G4s are lacking proper coordination, clarity, roundness, are tense, etc. F#4-E4 2:15 The F#4 is still a bit tense, but not as bad as the G4s with the locked jaw, probably has "some degree of support" if you want to call it that, and the E4 is fine. The second clip's F#4 at 0:05 is really light. It's not strained, but it's still somewhat tight. 0:19 that G4 is tense + tight, etc. Sustained F#4 the vowel isn't shaped properly, so it's really small, the coordination as a whole isn't very good

 

From these two clips, the singing demonstrated doesn't have a "very solid sense of support" as the blog would put it. The coordination isn't very strong and he lacks roundness due to improper vowel shaping. He can't handle his singing very well when he tries to add power because his muscle development is quite weak. He cute tho

Oh okay, finally a male vocalist that can actually support and not strain their way through songs. You should also post these at the KpopVocalAnalysis blog, I'd really prefer Ahmin answer these lol. But I'll take a look at these...

 

First video: Ooh, he's cute. His looks distracted me there lol. Ah, it's nice to hear him supporting nicely. He is singing very lightly but it's nicely controlled. Yeah, he's got F#4 down, that's nice! Hm, he's phrased G#4s aren't bad cuz he is mixing nicely, the placement isn't bad too, I think. But I wouldn't say it's supported. It got a bit tight and more squeezed than the F#4s so the support is not as strong but he's really not straining. Not sure about where the G4s are but he seems to be doing nicely in that part.

 

0.48. the E4 was nice, sounded pretty easy to him. His mixing is also a bit more chesty so I guess he can control his mix nicely. I like his timbre. He is supporting throughout, 1.18, that's a nice F4. Again, more balanced than earlier. 3.14, yup, he's definitely got F#4 down.

 

Second video: His hair isn't as nice, therefore he ain't as cute lol. He is still supporting but I think he sounds less nice here...not sure. He is singing lightly but the sound isn't forward enough, I think. 0.05, supported. 0.19, not bad but the vowel wasn't helping lol, it was tight. Not supported but the vowel is an issue as well. Uh-oh, he doesn't seem to have a nice upper register. That falsetto was almost pure air. 0.23, if there was a G4 (I'm not checking the notes) then it sounds pretty nice, maybe supported. 0.27, sustained F#4, supported but the sound isn't placed forward enough. If anything, it sounds like it's pulled a bit into the throat. Could be better. 0.41, yeah that's almost just air. 0.43, sounds more like G#4-G4 to me. G#4, there was a bit of crack there but still not that bad, G4 was also not bad but again, damn vowels. It was tight but it didn't sound strained.

 

 

Overall, he seems pretty solid to me. His mixing is nice and I think he can control it to be more balanced if he wanted to. He's got F#4 down, his lower range is unknown but his upper register...yeah, not impressive. He seems to be doing nicely with trills as well. G4 is a question mark and G#4 is not bad but he's not there yet. What else... he doesn't produce resonance, not open enough. Oh, he's pretty much similar to NCT's Taeil lol. But go ask at the blog, I'm curious as well. I might be wrong or left some parts out.

 

Oh, and he isn't nasal. Placement on...mascara??? You mean, mask? lol. I suppose so but he's not forward enough. He looks pretty young too...hm, born in 1999 apparently.

Okay, both Park HyoLee and I were off the mark. But I was worse lol. Ahmin fired me 😂 LOL. Anyways, JooChan apparently...doesn't support. Like, at all. High larynx throughout. He really had me confused lol. I'll keep working on identifying better with male vocals lol. Female vocalists tends to be more obvious for me.

I don't understand why people are So underestimating Taeil .... his support is pretty solid on F#4s and below, he could work on his vowels shaping in general and be more open On G4 and G#4 but his mix is pretty balanced if you compare him with debuting baekhyun for example he had some troubles with intonation and throatiness all that caused by the unbalance of his mix and low chest placement

he's one of the very promising rookies After seventeen seungkwan

I hope you weren't implying that I was underestimating Taeil ^^. I don't, I quite like him. It was just that I wrongly believed Joochan to be of similar skill as him...yeah, dead wrong XD. I like Taeil. I wish he was more consistent tho. He had good moments of support/good placement up to A4 at times. He had me shook. I think it's just a matter of consistency between him and Seungkwan. Well, Seungkwan is considerably more open and he can produce resonance and is more consistent, thats all I guess. Taeil has a better lower range, I think.

 

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Idk why youre including me in this lol I said he had poor coordination, poor "support", poor vowel shaping,is a weak vocalist. I don't even read the blog and Im willing to bet that he said that he's a "thin, high larynx singer", which is exactly what all that means

 

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Well okay then.

 

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[ZRH23]

You said he was pretty similar to Taeil lol those are your words .... that Joochan is pretty close to jungkook than anything else

even when Taeil doesn't have resonance yet he's quite A to AA level he showed support on D3 all those are estimations ... SM vocalists tend to improve after debuting

I know! Ignore what I said, I was dead wrong lmao! I'll be careful next time^^

 

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[ZRH23]

Is the Bb4 in this song is supported? I heard that she is not able to support Bb4 and I wanna know if she is able to support that note now

 

2:52

2:47

3:11 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDEuSc1H3Jc

I'm only partially familiar with Lovelyz but I'm assuming that is Jin? I wish they gave the line to Kei, at least she'd do it properly.

 

2.52, oh that was nasal and quite tight. She's closing her throat and pushing too much on that. Her support isn't even strong to begin with, so that's not supported. Maybe even strained.

 

Next video, same case. It's sad seeing a soprano struggle so hard.

 

The last video. That was more relaxed and she's not pushing much. But she's still nasal and keeping the sound in her throat. It had some support but the tension was overpowering. It was quite shallow but better than the other 2 attempts.

Except he's actually singing to me

 

It would be fascinating to hear what he'd sound like with more depth to his voice since it's already inherently larger Yes, I do like them big

Oml, ya nasty!

 

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[ZRH23]

 

 

he IS singing with more depth there though lol, not in the highest notes of that particular performance but the lower and middle notes are thicker than your usual pop singer, and not in a good way either. He sings in a sort of husky, darker, more mellow and ballad-y manner than someone who may appear more louder and/or abrasive/forced so it is more "pleasant" to the neutral larynx crowd. If he was a baritone or a female voice, especially one with a bright/youthful timbre doing the same thing he'd be described as too lower larynx pushed or some shit.

 

There are other performances from that exact day, listen carefully starting from 3:43 - 3:52, everything is just thicker. Listen to the sustained thick B3 @ 3:48 to the thick, constricted B4 @ 3:52

 

 

another performance of the same song just two months prior to the performances above, again thick and constricted while in a lower larynx position 2:42 to the G4 @ 2:51. Also 3:08 to the C5 at 3:17.

 

 

this is where he ACTUALLY sings with chest and correctly, in a more mid larynx position/brighter mix. Just listen to the timestamps, his larynx is a bit lowered (correctly enough though) on some of the lower parts. The upper notes are actually more similar to how some of the better female pop singers sing, like that girl you asked me about...Haeri was that her name? Not sure I got the name right but yeah, it might get labeled as "balanced" but it's just a high voice person singing with more chest in a brighter manner as opposed to the larynx lowering to some degree and/or a thicker more constricted or overly shouted manner.

3:23 - 3:27 Bb4.

3:47 - 3:58 B4 and C5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Wg2_cxmJaQ

 

compare that to the forced thickness you hear in his ballad performances, he got away with a lot of that in 2013 and still got considered having great technique, I saw him hit a C5 in that thick manner in some "support" video.

 

his stuff around the wildflower era is also more correct and clearer with less constriction in comparison, the best of his singing was around that era.

 

currently he is okay as well, he just sings in a thin mix and sometimes gets too whiny or nasal on some of the high notes. compare the way he sounds in the lower and middle notes to the darker, thicker sound in 2013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGKleywFwVI

 

 

 

and nah I didn't like most idol groups in general back then, though I guess I liked that one Taeyeon song "can you hear me" when it came out. I listened to people like Park Hyo Shin (clearly lol), Brown Eyed Soul, FTTS, 1TYM, Seven, Lee Soo Young, Lena Park, Epik High, MC Sniper, Soulstar, SG Wannabe. Also Big Bang's earliest stuff with Park Bom was pretty cool.

Ugh, I still have so much trouble identifying resonance in people like Park Hyoshin. I mean, their voices are so heavy already, Especially when they start singing with more depth too because that shit just doubled in size lmao. Oh, that Mozart clip was beautiful! That one, the resonance is very clear to me,

 

What do you think of Son Seungyeon btw? Would do you think of her mix voice? I'm pretty sure she (and Ailee sometimes) lower their larynx to achieve a greater quality too and though she's has a pretty heavy voice, her resonance practically got me high lol.

 

And oh god, you're ancient XD. You don't listen to more...recent idols? 

[ZRH23]

I'm watching KBS "The Unit" atm, some of the contestants seem pretty good to my untrained ears. Who do y'all think is the best singer on the show so far? Pre and pro-elimination. On one of the episode, they chose 100% Rockhyun as the best male singer and 5dolls/The Seeya Yeonkyun as the best female singer. Do y'all agree with this?

 

Also, who can do the whistle notes in K-pop? So far I've only heard Shannon and I think Dreamchater's main vocal whistle in one of their old song, but that's pretty much it.

Well, I don't keep up with these shows lol. But I know who Rockhyun is (he has his own analysis already) and he is pretty good. I think he can resonate A4s, if I'm not mistaken and that's already very good lol. Unless there's another guy that can support above G#4s and all that, Rockhyun is probably the best one. Hm, idk Yeonkyung very much but I don't think she even supports properly. I know her from 5dolls but...Seeya? Isn't that the one Kim Yeonji was in? Why didn't Yeonji enter? lol. IDK any other female contestants (unless you can mention the other vocally impressive ones) but Yeonkyung isn't very good either so...meh, can't tell if she's the strongest. Rockhyun, most likely the strongest.

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Shannon and Siyeon haven't showed any whistle notes. Shannon uses her head voice really high while Siyeon is just straight up strained, throaty falsetto. Wendy and Ailee have shown some whistle notes (Eb7 and C7 respectively), but they haven't been used it in a song. Dia has though, she showcased it a little lower, around G6

[ZRH23]

Actually, there's Gunwoo of MYNAME who's STRONGER actually but he didn't participate in the VOCAL battle ep for some reason 

Ah, is that so? Didn't expect that. Gunwoo,,,I haven't heard of him in ages. So wait... he didn't participate in the episode for vocal battles? So...what episode did he participate in??? Is there something else in his repertoire? Now I'm curious about the female vocalists... okay, I just checked the list of contestants lol. The female vocalists are nowhere near Rockhyun or Gunwoo lol but I guess some can support? Like the ones from Matilda. If I'm not mistaken, The Ark's vocalists can support too...but I'm not sure. All I remember from The Ark was that their debut MV was TRAGIC. Sad af

[ZRH23]

OMG I just wiki'd Sohyang just to see her career history and someone edited in Wikipedia that she is a "full lyric soprano" I am dying at the extent that I am seeing this lmao, thought it was just on youtube

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sohyang

 

sohyang was nowhere on the map back then and you very well know that lmao, and Korean Christian music was never my jam lol.

 

and I guess, not that it really matters how "big" park hyo shin's voice may become since he's a pop singer so you won't hear it. Just so you know, becoming spinto after operatic training is not rare lmao, they're still relatively common but just not as common as high/medium baritones and lyric tenors. Dramatic voices are rare and the bass/contralto voices are rare. You may have heard different from confused pop people that it's some rare thing to be a spinto but they don't sing classically or teach classically to experience the changes in timbre that can occur from mid larynx to low. I know a number of spinto voices and have sang next to them, and I was taught by two dramatic baritones. Most people don't find out the true size of their voices these days, and I'm talking about classical students lol. So you can imagine how little pop singers ever find out.

 

 

yeah I'll check them out, tell me about your experience after you go lol

 

i forgot to respond to this but I'm just gonna say that I'm not a fan of Seth Riggs' singing whatsoever lol. When he demonstrates with his own singing what bad technique is and what a "good" technique is, it's just very, very off.

 

"heavy" is a rather subjective word to describe singing voices. I mean first of all it's not literal obviously, but there is still a more objective way of understanding what people mean when they talk about weight. I wouldn't describe any of them as having "heavy" voices, Park Hyo Shin is medium-weight for a tenor. But again, he's a pop singer so it's just hard to have a standardized way for everyone to agree on what it means to be "heavy" and "light" or whatever. I'm not familiar enough with Son Seungyeon to say but she's a good singer from what I've heard. Ailee is not what I would call a lower larynx singer.

 

There's many ways of sounding thicker or more chesty without exactly lowering your larynx, at least not in the way that I mean when I talk about using more depth. The easiest example is when you hear two people in a really heated argument and they are blatantly screaming at each other, their voices sound very chesty and not thin at all. and of course, people do something similar to this in singing as well, maybe a bit more controlled but still similar enough.

 

do you consider this guy's voice "heavy"? because he is also not a higher tenor, he is a lower one but he has a relatively bright voice. He would be a bigger tenor if he were to undergo full operatic training, meaning his voice would be heavier and bigger than both Pavarotti and Placido Domingo if he were singing in classical technique correctly, but obviously if you've heard either of those opera singers you would know that they appear heavier and fuller than he does since they're opera singers.

 

 

Perhaps 'heavy' might be a lil off. How about using the term 'lower placed'? lol. I'm talking about the natural depth and weight one has in their voices, regardless of whether their singing brightly or chestily or balanced. If lighter voices were to sing with a lot of chest, I'd still be able to differentiate that they're not really lower placed voices. Like Ailee or Solar or Lee Sunhee. But unfortunately in pop music, usually singing with a lot of chest also comes with the pushing most of the times. It's almost like a package. I want to hear a light voice like theirs singing with a lot of chestiness but without pushing the hell out of their voices above C#5 lol.

 

Yeah, that guy you showed does sound 'heavy' to me. I can tell he's not singing with a lot of chestiness but there's also this certain depth and weight to his voice, despite the bright singing. It's easier for me to hear resonance if these lower placed voices sang more brightly instead of chesty, for example, Eunji. But even with someone as bright and heady as Eunji, I often miss the resonant parts lol.

 

And that's not even involving my problem with baritones and mezzos. They're so much worse lmao. Hwanhee, that DGNA guy who's also good, Beyonce, Lady Gaga, Jojo etc.. Oh wow they're difficult lol. But with someone like ALi, it's easier since I think she sings brightly most of the time. She's just hella throaty.

[ZRH23]

is @1:15 his head voice?

It's his mixed voice.

 

I thought the notes around 2:41 was a whistle note. 

 

What about Sungyeon of Pristin? Starting around 2:10

Shannon did a fairly nice head voice lol. Sungyeon's a falsetto, Quite flat.

 

 

 

at 2.21, that's an actual whistle note, F#6 I think,

 

 

 

Also this,

[ZRH23]

Thanks for the replies guy. I guess I didn't know what an actual whistle tone sounds like. You learn something new every day.

 

What do you guys think about Jerry from Tahiti? Just recently discovered them from the Miso vs Jisoo thing lol. Her cover of I Have Nothing wasn't too bad, Maybe it's autotuned a bit? Because the vocal in the video doesn't that "raw".

 

 

Jerry is quite underrated. There's not much material from her but she's not bad at all. I've heard her resonate B4, but C5 is slightly off. Not bad tho.

hello, i have a request.

I want someone to compare these vocalists in loona. who is the one more comfortable while singing, who has the widest range, who seems to be a stronger vocalists...etc. (also if you could say who would be better as a main or lead)

unfortunately i don't have live stuff atm so all i have is studio stuff :/

 

Lip:

 

PS: the highnote at 2:16 is jinsoul not lip.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jinsoul:

 

PS: the highnote at 2:16 is jinsoul not lip.

 

 

 

 

PS: just focus on jinsoul's parts here

 

 

 

 

Yves:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Haseul:

 

 

 

PS: just focus on haseul's parts here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gd1Ja09e_k

 

 

 

thanks!

No one in Loona supports properly. Kim Lip might have more of an effort to support but still...none of them are good lol.

I had a dream where Tiffany began to sing again and I was excited because she was singing with a very opened sound and supported many D#5s

Rumors has it Ahmin had that dream too. 😂

I've never put stock in Seth Riggs and SLS. I hear too many people talking about it like it's gonna give you some magical range and mix. I think it's part of a bigger problem where a lot of singers these days focus on developing a mix but leave the rest of the voice hanging (i.e. SoHyang).

 

It seems to me that earlier contemporary styles built a strong foundation in the chest that doesn't seem to be as valued anymore in pop. I've always thought of Barbra Streisand as being a more "heady-mix" kind of person, but up until a certain point, she's actually pretty chesty in comparison to someone like Sohyang and has a lot more resonance in her chest. Even sopranos like Betty Buckley--who obviously had a higher tessitura--didn't go for these extravagant mixes seemingly at the expense of their chest register.

 

I realize some of this is a stylistic preference, but listen to how much more natural this sounds:

 

compared to this:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYDQ52IXVaE

 

Am I the only one who hears the problems with the second one? She just sounds so uncomfortable in a range that should be the most natural. Serious lack of development. I don't mean this as an attack, but it's been on my mind lately.

Yeah, it has always been known that Sohyang's biggest flaw is pretty much her lack of development in her chest voice. But comparing Betty to Sohyang, of course she'll sound more pleasant around that range. Pretty much any decently skilled vocalist could sound better than Sohyang below E5. Cuz Sohyang doesn't shine out in the A4-Eb5 range nearly as much as someone like Betty would.

 

But Sohyang makes up for it by being a complete monster from E5-C#6. In that range, she's hardly comparable with anyone tbh. But idk if that makes up for her lack of chest voice, I guess it does.

 

 

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[ZRH23]

Is that Dimash guy actually good or is he better at controlling his screams

Better at controlling his screams...that's a good way to describe his technique lol.

I've never put stock in Seth Riggs and SLS. I hear too many people talking about it like it's gonna give you some magical range and mix. I think it's part of a bigger problem where a lot of singers these days focus on developing a mix but leave the rest of the voice hanging (i.e. SoHyang).

 

It seems to me that earlier contemporary styles built a strong foundation in the chest that doesn't seem to be as valued anymore in pop. I've always thought of Barbra Streisand as being a more "heady-mix" kind of person, but up until a certain point, she's actually pretty chesty in comparison to someone like Sohyang and has a lot more resonance in her chest. Even sopranos like Betty Buckley--who obviously had a higher tessitura--didn't go for these extravagant mixes seemingly at the expense of their chest register.

 

I realize some of this is a stylistic preference, but listen to how much more natural this sounds:

 

compared to this:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYDQ52IXVaE

 

Am I the only one who hears the problems with the second one? She just sounds so uncomfortable in a range that should be the most natural. Serious lack of development. I don't mean this as an attack, but it's been on my mind lately.

But I dont think it's a 'contemporary' problem at all lol. Most skilled vocalists nowadays are still quite chesty or at least balanced, and none of them have problems for lack of chest development, like Beyonce, Jojo, Son Seungyeon, Park Hyoshin, Naul etc..they all have problems with their mix but lack of chest ain't one of em.

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but she could definitely incorporate much more chest voice into her singing as a whole to 1) be much bigger 2) slay more 3) drag more hoes 4) come for weaves 5) address her weaknesses and be untouchable as a contemporary singer,

I like how you phrased this lol. But my only argument is that number 2,3 and 4 has been done so many times it's almost impossible to do MORE 😂.

 

 

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Does this girl support?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3xY_74V8uc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD6OQl0qGRM

Eh, I don't think so. I don't hear any properly developed support. She sounds like most Japanese vocalists: nasal, bright but overall just placing from their voice in the back of their throats. That Japanese rendition of For The First Time In Forever was ...unimpressive. Her low notes in Tomorrow are non existent. She kinda sounds like Sunny but with weaker support and more nasalness.

 

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Ah I was thinking she might have some support behind the nasality since I think she sounds like a more developed vocalist than some of those in the weak area but maybe it's because she sounds a bit like Sunny

Ah, you thought she sounded like Sunny too? XD. She does tbh. If you mean you thought she's better than the weak vocalists in the blog...she probably is maybe lol. I don't think she's Jungah level or Gyuri. Or maybe she is I'm not sure. But still pretty underdeveloped

 

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https://twitter.com/throughmariah/status/939640214187921408

 

Is " ha king " resonate?

Yeah, it sounds like it. Pretty nice resonance but not very high too. Eh, Marian's doing her thing~

 

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I agree, but I don't think that it "sounds underwhelming." I think it is underwhelming. I think this blog/thread (not saying you because I think you have a different perspective) over-emphasizes the importance of an upper "balanced" mix. I say SoHyang is underwhelming because there's obvious discomfort in her chest register. It's not like her technique is great there. There's real struggle. Her coordination just isn't good down there, and she can sound sloppy, but it tends to be excused.

 

The funny thing is, it doesn't matter if a vocalist has a great chest register if they don't have a great mix (according to the standards here). SoHyang can be listed as an excellent vocalist with practically no development in the third octave and shoddy development even in phrased notes in the lower fourth.

 

I personally think Yang Hee Eun is the best female vocalist in Korea by far, but I don't think the blog would blink an eye at her because she never sings above C5/C#5. She's a mezzo, so she needs to support F5s in a balanced mix, right? Again, I'm not saying you say this. But, compare the development in her voice to anyone else's in Korea.

 

 

Why is this undervalued? This is extremely difficult and requires more control than what SH has. (Shameless video drop from my channel, btw.)

 

This one is actually a duet with SoHyang. You can hear that unless SoHyang belts, there's no real power or projection in her voice. Yang Hee Eun is just singing and can still be clearly heard through most of SoHyang's belts, and she's 60+ years old. YHE didn't need to belt out to have projection. There's a natural fullness that SH compensates for with louder belts. The difference can be attributed in part to voice type, but it's mostly a result of training.

 

EDIT: And, all this SH hype rests on the assumption that her mix is flawless, but she's clearly got technical issues there, too.

 

 

I listened only to the first song. No support in her lower: 1:25 - 1:28, 1:43, 1:47, 2:43. But A3 is supposedly in her supported range even though she's shown very limited ability to phrase them and none in this song throughout several live performances.

 

Her mix: 2:59 tense, 3:46 - 3:50 extremely flat final note, strained, 3:51 very tense, 3:55 - 4:00 strained

 

I picked this performance at random. This is her most recent one, and it's about her usual. Pitch issues throughout, very tense notes, no support in the lower register. I'm sorry. I just don't think it's that great.

Okay first off, if you really wish for arguments of how the blog works...them go to the blog lol. Ahmin and K aren't here anymore and ranting about the blog's judgements here ain't gonna help much.

And yes, Sohyang does not sound very impressive in the range of the 4th octave to around D5, but I think you're exaggerating it lol. Discomfort and improper coordination? No, it's not. She just places her voice much higher than that area. It could be much better yeah, but it's not what I'd call very underdeveloped. Her lower range also has the same case but it's not unsupported. Her presence is lacking in the lower area but it is not such of a flaw since it's still quite supported and her lower belts are mostly still resonant.

 

Yang Hee Eun, I listened to the video and her style is very much like the theatrical and classical pop (not opera lol) kind of thing. The ones that you seem to really prefer lol. And with that in mind, of course threatical singers would focus more on dynamics rather than belts. But dynamics alone won't make her better than Sohyang nor would that make her the best vocalist in Korea. Her support is very nice, yes, but it disappears entirely above C#5 or around that. Her low notes are also cloudy and a lot of them are muffled. Honestly, those are not that much better than Sohyang's at all. You also seem to disregard Sohyang's own skill in terms of dynamics. They might not be as dramatic or focused on as much as more classical/threatical pop singers like Barbra or Lee Sun Hee or Yang Hee Eun, but Sohyang could hold her fair game in terms of dynamics. But Sohyang might not show it as much because she's singing an entirely different genre.

 

The video of Sohyang you showed, now you're just hearing things lol. She didn't strain any of those nor was she tense. Perhaps a bit tired and the audio aint the best, but she didnt strain. Idk where you got that. Maybe I'm wrong but I certainly stick with my opinion.

 

While you think that people dont focus enough of the pure development and control one has in a certain range, I think that you focus too much on that. Perhaps they're flawless in that range but don't ignore that beyond that point, there's probably a severe lack of development. And in that case, the vocalist only trains in that range because they think It's unnecessary to go outside of that. So while someone like YHE who has 'superior development' to C#5 might not be rated in the same level of say...ALi, they can't be said as good as Ann One cause as much as you want it to be, home girl doesn't have anything beyond C#5 (this is purely based on how you said she barely sings above that and I've only sing uptil that as well, idk for sure this is just for the sake of the point.)

 

Dynamics and all that are more of embellishments rather than pure development. It's the same concept of runs. For pop vocalists (which are the only kinds of vocalists the blog analyzes), dynamics and riffs are not as focused as much as the development of the mix. If they turn out to have really, really nice dynamics or runs, then that will contribute to the rating. Sohyang has decent dynamics and mostly decent runs so that is already enough.

Hyorin still strains E5s ?

Yea, she doesn't even have Eb5s back yet

 

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Sohyang IS very uncomfortable in the third octave, and this discomfort continues throughout large parts of the fourth octave, especially when she tries to sing in a style that requires more chest. She obviously has problems phrasing in the third octave, even at the top of it and at the bottom of the fourth, so yes, this is a technical FLAW. It's not stylistic when the voice is just air. The low notes in that performance are AIR, even as high as A3. Every performance of that song I've heard is the same. So you cannot say that they are supported and be correct.

 

 

Just so you know and can hear the difference, start around 1:10, and you can hear a soprano properly phrase and support A3s. Sohyang's sound nothing like this. This is a technical flaw. She is not approaching her lower register in a way that will allow it to be developed.

 

As for YHE, of course her lows are much better than Sohyang's. I don't know what you're hearing, to be honest, but they are not muddled. She's got great clarity throughout her lower range, and they are much better notes than Sohyang's air. Of course, YHE is a mezzo, but that still doesn't excuse Sohyang's lack of development in the lower register.

 

 

Around 1:10 in this video, you can hear YHE properly support a phrased and nicely-projected E3. She loses no body or clarity whatsoever as she descends. In fact, it's a much more impressive E3 than most mezzos can produce. Compare her projection and clarity with Beyonce or anybody, and it will stand up with the best and exceed most. So I don't agree with you at all about the "muddled" stuff, and honestly, I don't think you really know what that means.

 

The notes I selected are tense/strained/flat. If you do not hear this, I cannot help you. I cannot hear it for you; I can only point it out. You say she's tired, but this is the NORM for her fancams throughout several YEARS, so I don't buy this. There's a clear difference between these notes and the notes she hits well, and these are NOT good notes. They are riddled with tension. I'm not hearing this perfect execution from her. Honestly, I think you're confused about what strain and tension sounds like in Sohyang's approach. It's easier to hear when someone is just being too chesty because it resembles a scream. It's not quite as cut-and-dry with these headier vocalists.

 

I don't think YHE is better just because she has better dynamics than Sohyang. And dynamics are not just embellishments. They are the epitome of vocal control. They're a hallmark, and a great vocalist cannot do without them. Many great vocalists can do without a mix, especially those who were trained in more classical/earlier contemporary schools. You cannot say YHE doesn't support above C5 (she's actually supported C#5 once, but the sample size is too small). She just doesn't do it. Sohyang can get by with no lower register because of her "technically-great" mix, so I don't see why you would have a problem with YHE getting away with no modern mixing style when she actually has developed the lower part of her voice and range (all the way up through her belting register). You don't see a double standard, there? You're just proving the point of my original post. If you look at overall vocal development in terms of resonance, control, dynamics, etc. YHE is much better in her range than Sohyang, and that's excluding the fact that their supported ranges are about the same, just in different areas of the voice. So why would Sohyang be considered better, especially when she has many technical issues that are not present with YHE? It makes no sense. Additionally, when I say "supported range," I'm not talking about the notes that a vocalist can vocalize and support. I'm talking about notes that are connected to the musically-'useable' range of the vocalist. For Yang Hee Eun, this means C3 - C5 (without head voice). That's two octaves. SoHyang's got about D4 - C#6 (without head voice). Any notes that are phrased below D4 are not consistently supported by SoHyang, so why count them? Many people don't. This isn't to take away the improvements she's made down there, but if you can't even hear her notes when she sings with music, they don't count. I'm not saying that the range makes the vocalist, but if you want to emphasize the mixing range so much, I think it's important to put into greater perspective the entire range of the vocalist and not focus on one area of development. And i's important to note that you don't need to mix like SoHyang to have a good upper register. You, do, however, have to have more development in the chest to have a good lower register. YHE has three solid registers, and SH does not. Again, the quality of the notes within the ranges is the most important factor to consider, but SH loses in that category, too.

 

By the way, Lee Sun Hee is not a classical/theatrical pop singer. She's much closer to Mahalia Jackson than she is to Barbra Streisand. Even in the one theater production she was part of, she didn't vary her style and attempt to sound like Betty, Babs, Elaine Paige, etc.

 

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I'd like to argue that the performance of Hug Me essentially has a lot of stylistically breathy A3. For example:

 

https://youtu.be/0p9ckIRb06o

 

This is just a vocal showcase of the performance of the same song on KOMS. As you can hear, quite a couple of A3s throughout were essentially just air. True. But at 0.53, there's a VERY clear difference. That A3 was much fuller and supported.

 

The video that you linked above, 2.53, Sohyang sustains the same A3 and again, it's not pure air. It's connected and supported but the music is a bit loud that even her A5s aren't very clear. But the A3 is still there and supported.

 

 

 

Again. Same song. Some low notes throughout full of air, stylistically. 2.35, sustained supported A3. After that, the C#5 was very nice for her so bonus point there. In fact, throughtout the verses you could hear the clearly supported G#3s as well.

 

https://youtu.be/pq7JIMtZJGk

 

Another performance of this song. 2.18, again supported A3. I'm only time stamping that A3 but there's still a couple more other A3 and G#3s.

 

So, you see...you kinda timestamp the ones where she was literally doing puffs of air. D4-C#6? Oh that's just ridiculous. At least A3, Perhaps G#3 is enough. She's inconsistent below that but she's had good G3s before.

 

I won't say much about YHE since I dont know much about her and I dont want to say the wrong things so everything that I said about her, I take back. But still, she doesn't sing above C#5 so there's no reason to assume she'd do good outside of that. And about that, I think it's been made clear that the development of the mix, of how high you can support past your passagi up there, is better than the lower notes. They're both difficult in their own ways but the mix is generally more impressive. C#5 vs C#6 (LOL) in the mix is definitely a much bigger gap from the C3 vs G#3. The lower notes gap is still very large but not as large as the one in mixed voice. That is the blog's point of view and I agree with it, though I also agree that the vocalist's overall development is also important. It's how Lee Haeri, though her lower range is worse than Sohyang, is better than...say, Luna of fx. Luna has G3, to Eb5 to even Bb5 in head voice. While Lee Haeri only has her mix up til F#5. But the development of the mix is that much more impressive and important.

 

Whether you agree with that, it's your choice. I...to some degree, dont. But mostly yeah. I'd say that YHE's mix is simply isn't developed enough to compare to Sohyang who can still support an OCTAVE from YHE. But YHE's lower range is tremendously better but not to the extent that the difference in mixed voice could be settled.

 

And oh, I disagree about that E3 part. Beyonce might not do them very often but her low notes are mostly resonant and full. Like in I Was Here, At Last, Heaven, Broken Hearted Girl, Mine, Drunk In Love and many others. Those are the most notable ones.

Sohyang IS very uncomfortable in the third octave, and this discomfort continues throughout large parts of the fourth octave, especially when she tries to sing in a style that requires more chest. She obviously has problems phrasing in the third octave, even at the top of it and at the bottom of the fourth, so yes, this is a technical FLAW. It's not stylistic when the voice is just air. The low notes in that performance are AIR, even as high as A3. Every performance of that song I've heard is the same. So you cannot say that they are supported and be correct.

 

 

Just so you know and can hear the difference, start around 1:10, and you can hear a soprano properly phrase and support A3s. Sohyang's sound nothing like this. This is a technical flaw. She is not approaching her lower register in a way that will allow it to be developed.

 

As for YHE, of course her lows are much better than Sohyang's. I don't know what you're hearing, to be honest, but they are not muddled. She's got great clarity throughout her lower range, and they are much better notes than Sohyang's air. Of course, YHE is a mezzo, but that still doesn't excuse Sohyang's lack of development in the lower register.

 

 

Around 1:10 in this video, you can hear YHE properly support a phrased and nicely-projected E3. She loses no body or clarity whatsoever as she descends. In fact, it's a much more impressive E3 than most mezzos can produce. Compare her projection and clarity with Beyonce or anybody, and it will stand up with the best and exceed most. So I don't agree with you at all about the "muddled" stuff, and honestly, I don't think you really know what that means.

 

The notes I selected are tense/strained/flat. If you do not hear this, I cannot help you. I cannot hear it for you; I can only point it out. You say she's tired, but this is the NORM for her fancams throughout several YEARS, so I don't buy this. There's a clear difference between these notes and the notes she hits well, and these are NOT good notes. They are riddled with tension. I'm not hearing this perfect execution from her. Honestly, I think you're confused about what strain and tension sounds like in Sohyang's approach. It's easier to hear when someone is just being too chesty because it resembles a scream. It's not quite as cut-and-dry with these headier vocalists.

 

I don't think YHE is better just because she has better dynamics than Sohyang. And dynamics are not just embellishments. They are the epitome of vocal control. They're a hallmark, and a great vocalist cannot do without them. Many great vocalists can do without a mix, especially those who were trained in more classical/earlier contemporary schools. You cannot say YHE doesn't support above C5 (she's actually supported C#5 once, but the sample size is too small). She just doesn't do it. Sohyang can get by with no lower register because of her "technically-great" mix, so I don't see why you would have a problem with YHE getting away with no modern mixing style when she actually has developed the lower part of her voice and range (all the way up through her belting register). You don't see a double standard, there? You're just proving the point of my original post. If you look at overall vocal development in terms of resonance, control, dynamics, etc. YHE is much better in her range than Sohyang, and that's excluding the fact that their supported ranges are about the same, just in different areas of the voice. So why would Sohyang be considered better, especially when she has many technical issues that are not present with YHE? It makes no sense. Additionally, when I say "supported range," I'm not talking about the notes that a vocalist can vocalize and support. I'm talking about notes that are connected to the musically-'useable' range of the vocalist. For Yang Hee Eun, this means C3 - C5 (without head voice). That's two octaves. SoHyang's got about D4 - C#6 (without head voice). Any notes that are phrased below D4 are not consistently supported by SoHyang, so why count them? Many people don't. This isn't to take away the improvements she's made down there, but if you can't even hear her notes when she sings with music, they don't count. I'm not saying that the range makes the vocalist, but if you want to emphasize the mixing range so much, I think it's important to put into greater perspective the entire range of the vocalist and not focus on one area of development. And i's important to note that you don't need to mix like SoHyang to have a good upper register. You, do, however, have to have more development in the chest to have a good lower register. YHE has three solid registers, and SH does not. Again, the quality of the notes within the ranges is the most important factor to consider, but SH loses in that category, too.

 

By the way, Lee Sun Hee is not a classical/theatrical pop singer. She's much closer to Mahalia Jackson than she is to Barbra Streisand. Even in the one theater production she was part of, she didn't vary her style and attempt to sound like Betty, Babs, Elaine Paige, etc.

 

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Right, also, I disagree that the Hug Me performance had strained and tense notes. Maybe we hearing different things but you do seem to have a reputation of hearing really many things. I also think that you are unclear of the difference Between Sohyang being tense or simply lacking a presence in the mix. Especially in the fourth octave and lower fifth.

 

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Yeah, those A3s are good for her, but they're still not very projected and round. I'm not buying that the others are stylistically air, either. They don't come at the end of an easy phrase; they are in the middle of more intricate phrases that require more control and breath support. All the A3s you showed, while decent for her, are essentially vocalized. And the notes below A3 in those performances are largely unsupported.

 

I'm not making the assumption that YHE is good past C5/C#5. I'm saying it doesn't matter. The mix is not more important nor is it more difficult than overall vocal development. Yes, the gap between C#5 and C#6 is larger than the gap between C3 and G#3 (when the real gap is closer to D4, anyway), but that's not the proper way to view it. YHE is never going to mix C#6s. Most sopranos don't, and certainly that's a pipe dream for a mezzo. The important thing to consider is the quality of the support and resonance within those ranges. As can be seen throughout several performances, Sohyang's mix is not as great as advertised. She has really persistent pitch and tension issues. The issues are present to the extent that--while she rarely ever STRAINS--she often has a great deal of constriction in her mix in the upper fifth octave. Her sound is often trapped or swallowed; it's not forward a great deal of the time. This is partly the reason for her unpleasant tone at times. When Sohyang is at her best, you can hear it in the freedom and clarity of her sound; but the majority of the time she lacks this clarity and doesn't execute at the same level. This speaks to her inability to perform on a consistent basis, and yes, that should hurt her ranking.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCgjMnDCyo0

 

I'm going to use this random showcase as an example of what I'm talking about.

 

00:10 She starts the note flat (C#5) and has to correct her pitch to D5. It's good she corrected it, but it's jarring to the listener.

00:43 This G5 is not very forward and is tense.

1:01 This F#5 is swallowed and very tense.

1:25 The E5 here starts off nicely, but she's quickly losing support, and you can hear at the end that the sound is moving to her throat.

1:41 This D6 isn't perfectly supported, sounds a little thin.

 

This is just a small showcase of the first song. I know that these are high notes, but if you want to act like Sohyang has the upper leg on just about every vocalist because she can mix with support until C#6, it's important to note that this support is not always pure. She has issues within this range that should be taken into consideration.

 

As an aside, your argument is completely subjective. You are resting your case on the fact that it's more difficult to mix, when that's simply not always the case. Every vocalist is different. Even as a baritone, I find it much easier to mix (even as high as F#4) than I do to actually sing in a connected and supported manner in the second octave. I'm not saying I can't, but I have to put a lot more effort into making sure I'm executing properly in this range. And if we are playing the "what's more difficult game," I can easily say that executing dynamics at YHE's level or achieving her wonderful legato are more impressive and difficult feats than Sohyang supporting well in the upper fifth octave.

You don't think the A3s were stylistical? Even when every performance of her with that song, she sings the breathy A3 at usually the exact same time during the song and the supported A3 also at the same time as any other performance? I call that stylistic since she seems to value the breathy ones as more of a performance of thing to fit the overall mood of the song. When she shows the ability to support the note and also unsupport it at the same time she usually does in other performances of the same songs, that's stylistic. And yeah, it could be much fuller and all that. It wasn't really well placed. Plus, she has many supported G#3s there.

 

The mix part...hm, yeah, I get where you're going there. I never thought of her notes as very forward and many times it sounded a bit... Blocked. By that part, I'm not knowledgeable about. But what im sure of is that it's not strained and is still supported. Her resonance isn't particularly big either. And I acknowledge her pitch problems, I'd never argue bout that. But I hear the things that you hear (to a certain extent) but many people disagree as well so idk what to think of it. I still dont hear the tense parts that you seem to hear but all that I could probably agree on is that she just doesn't sound forward. Whether it's right or not, idk.

 

And yeah, that's what I said, it is quite subjective about the what's difficult or not part. But it seems that generally, the development and support present above the passagi is the most important thing. By the way the blog judges, at least. And I'm not going to argue about this.

 

Well, conclusion is, I think that though I agree that Sohyang isn't perfect and is quite inconsistent, you do seem to be too hard on her anyways. I definitely dont agree about the D4 part and the mix, I could hear the problem time to time but it's not a major flaw imo. Her head voice is also a bit inconsistent above C#6 but still supported nonetheless (below that, she has a very developed head voice too). Whether Sohyang deserves that Excellent spot is not what I care about. But I believe that her mix gives her a much better sense of development than many other vocalists has.

 

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Is Falcon Soprano an actual voice type...

Yeah. I think. Not sure if it's good to use it in Pop.

 

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I agree that Sohyang rarely drops full support in her mix and that her mix is light years ahead of other vocalists' when it's good. My problem is her sound production is just weird sometimes, and I know it not by comparing Sohyang to others but by comparing her to herself when she's good. But there are times where Sohyang sounds like completely different singers depending on which register she's singing in when she should have a consistent and even tone more or less throughout her voice.

Yes, her mix is excellent. Nobody else is doing what she does there when she's good, but I'm hard on her (even though I like some of her music) because she's been given a pedestal she doesn't deserve. She's made my jaw drop at times, but so have other people, and I think it's silly that this thread acts like everyone else's accomplishments aren't impressive because they aren't doing what she's doing. I've seen this blog ruin the reputation of many vocalists who are actually more skilled than SoHyang in many areas with their biggest flaw not mixing like she does past D5. And, no, I'm not talking about Lee Sun Hee. People don't have to agree with my opinions, but I feel it's time that they're out there.

Mhm, I can agree with the part of that her sound production is just straight out weird at times. In that side, she's very...peculiar and inconsistent. Mainly the reason why I dont enjoy listening to many of her performances. But nonetheless, I think her skills in dynamics and control there are also underrated. That Hug Me performances also showcased many of her dynamics. She simply doesn't showcase it the same way theatrical/classical pop singers do. She showcases it the way gospel pop singers do, most of the time.

 

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Ah, okay. Pigeon tenors lmao. Thanks for the clarification.

Jihyo, Sungjae, Rosé, Yuju, Jaehwan performance

 

Yuju and Rosé both tried some really high notes if you're curious to hear the contrast.

 

Reading your debate but feel too uncertain to say much. I do believe there's different valid techniques to suit different kinds of music. The musical theater singer sounds the best singing that genre obviously. About Sohyang's pitch issues, you wouldn't happen to be talking about her appoggiatura or scooping? It's something I noticed she's extremely fond of doing.

Funny thing is if you search "falcon soprano" on Wikipedia it simply redirects you Cornélie Falcon, the sole person it was intended to describe. I don't think a role was ever given that fach, which makes it irrelevant.

Jihyo sounded a bit breathy. It was a bit low (I can't check the notes but im guessing around G#3/A3-C4) and I think she lost a bit of support here and there. Maybe she didn't lol I'm not sure, Low Notes are so not my thing.

 

Sungjae sounded nice too. Very...baritone-ish lol. The lower notes sounded a bit muffled, I think, it's not very clear. But otherwise he did fine.

 

Hey, Rosé! Actually, she sounded pretty decent for her standards. Sure the nasality thing and all that is still going on but I think she's connecting more than she usually does and actually attempting to support. It's not bad!

 

Oh. Yujuuu. Gurl, WHY would you sing those parts!? Your ass is so tired that you couldn't do C#5 properly now! But hey, 1.10 that SAraga, that Sa part sounded pretty nice. A bit pushed. the rest was just...yeah, but not too bad. Just high larynx galore.

 

Okay, Jihyo again, nothing new.

 

Jaehwan...he's a tenor right? So him singing this part is a no-no lol. Not unless he's Chen, Kyuhyun, Onew or Yonghwa anyways. But the bit at the end is nice.

 

Yuju is doing her thing. She sounds comfortable here. A bit nasal here and there...wait, if Yuju is singing this part...that means...

 

Rosé. Gurl, just STAPH. The fifth octave ain't the place for you lol. There's a backtrack there and since she's singing it live, you could hear how...off she was. I think she tried to use falsetto... Which was flat. Then she actually tried mixing...which was also flat. No, that ain't good.

 

Okay. some Nah Nah Nah, they're doing vocal warmups together now.

 

Yuju again...oh, the contrast between her and Rose lol. Well, they're both not good but Yuju has better mixing and...can at least hit the notes without being off pitch. 3.02, again, that was nicer than the rest. What note is that? C5 or C#5? I'm hoping for the latter XD. I wish someone like Haeri, or Son Seungyeon or even Shannon could be hear and effing slay these notes. Or Eunji would've sounded good too.

 

Okay wait, so you're saying Sohyang's pitch problems are intentional? Uh...I dont know what to think about that lol. It kinda sounds like just another way to backup her faults tbh. Or if it were true, gurl needs to reconsider her musical choices cause that shit ain't sound good.

That performance was a mess

I dont think it was that bad. Maybe Rose's part.

That performance was a mess

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I've seen vibrato criticized by plenty of people because it's a way of masking intonation, particularly from the Renaissance polyphony crowd or Baroque violinists. Pitch is a tricky subject, there's more complicated stuff like temperaments and psychology and crap. Maybe something relevant about scooping is it supposedly makes a note sound deeper, which might be particularly useful for Sohyang.

...yeah you lost me at after the vibrato part lol. Ah, I suppose it's sometimes stylistic. She tends to go flat but then comes right back up so I guess those moments are stylistic. But sometimes she could just go straight out flat, like quite a few of the E5 in Fate.

 

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yeah I know Robert Goulet. he was a lower/medium-weight baritone and yeah he was lowering the larynx ofc and singing with chest. He was great from the low to upper middle area of the baritone range but he didn't sing high, but I'm sure he would've been good at it if he did.

 

like everyone else said, nope. Vanessa Amorosi who is labeled under one in this thread is just a lower soprano, there is nothing out of the ordinary about the way she sounds.

 

 

I honestly find her scooping really irritating at times, I think it's more of a habit that she's had for years. If it is "stylistic", then her execution is not very convincing at many times, to me anyway. I think people that like to sing high notes a lot may run into scooping issues, in that O Holy Night performance linked above she did it way too much.

 

as for her mix, her understanding of vowel adjustment is still very advanced either way. There's a lot that could be nitpicked about contemporary singers if you ask me, but anyone who knows how to deepen the vowel and do it at least decently is already better off than the majority of other singers, including the good ones who don't deepen it as much. Sohyang isn't always on point as her stans may advertise, for example in that video you linked of her talking about Seth Riggs, the mixing up to C6 wasn't great there and she's done better. But no one is really completely on point all the time, Whitney wasn't either or Beyoncé.

I think Vanessa Amorosi's 'unique' kind of sound just comes from the kind of genre she usually goes for. But she does it justice, that's for sure.

 

Now that you mentioned it, I just Realized that Sohyang doesn't really have much of a problem for vowels compared to others lol. Even the ones that are more difficult to mix in like 'Ee' or 'Oo'.

I stumbled upon some interesting facts when I was cheating in Persona 5 by looking up an answer to a question. The old Roman emperor, Nero, despite being shit at singing, added singing to the Olympics, so he could participate. He thought that he could help train his voice by doing stupid things like placing weights on his chest. He wouldn't let people leave the auditorium when he sang, so people literally faked being dead, because they could be dragged out.

Oh, wow, that's interesting...you cheated on Persona 5?

 

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Okay, I was reluctant to drop this but in Case anybody here has enough time to help me, I'd be grateful if anybody could give me any feedback^^.

 

https://vocaroo.com/i/s1aKnTCDOD8y

I sang Wild Flower (only the chorus, I dont want to die from the high notes)

 

And..

https://vocaroo.com/i/s0c8Wih5WG96

 

Suddenly Seymour. My accent's a bit weird tho.

 

Well, if anyone could help me with some feedback, I'd be really grateful! I've already asked Ahmin but id love to get other opinions as well.

 

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