Official Vocals thread (READ OP FIRST)

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13 hours ago, _ohmyvon said:

Have u guys seen this?

https://singingandyou.com/kpop-analysis/ (their site and video analysis below).

 

light lyric Mezzo-soprano?  

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1 hour ago, RATY said:

light lyric Mezzo-soprano?  

I'd love to hear analysis from different perspectives, but what I hear in the clip has nothing to do with opera or classical

I personally didn't have any issues with that clip other than she said Ningning was a light lyric mezzo-soprano,even though her voice wasn't fully grown, I didn't hear anything that thought she would grow up to be a mezzo-soprano

 

 

I found something pretty good.

The woman in the clip is Sunmi Jo is a soprano opera singer, she was nominated for a Grammy Award and won the Grammy Award for Best Opera Recording in 1993.

In the previous conversation Seungyoon told her he was a baritone and he sang @0.11 @0.16 Sunmi Jo told him this is not a baritone and more like a tenor.  

Sunmi Jo probably felt that what Seungyoon did was not something a baritone would normally do it ,coz chest coordination takes a lot of effort to do on that note.

 

 

 

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kpop female singer (I wonder how many female singers in kpop do she know) 

The example used in some clips is messy & sloppy 

 

 

Edited July 14, 2022 by RATY

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2 hours ago, BabyKBK said:

They tried at least but the majority of these vocalists aren't agile.

As a Solji fan even I admit she's not really agile, she stopped attempting runs once she became a sad music/ballad artist. 

 

Oh yes, there are many people that I wouldn't even call them semi-agile vocalist 

I'm not familiar with Uji, but the videos she's making in there are still messy running

From 2nd-5th place, I don't think Yerin can't run like that, she's still a good agile singer in kpop for me,she run in Love was good , the notes were separated properly 

 

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18 minutes ago, RATY said:

Oh yes, there are many people that I wouldn't even call them semi-agile vocalist 

I'm not familiar with Uji, but the videos she's making in there are still busy running

From 2nd-5th place, I don't think Yerin can't run like that, she's still a good agile singer in kpop for me,she run in Love was good , the notes were separated properly 

 

I think Yuju still has some good running.

 

As for 4th gen , I'm not familiar with them, but I think  Monday sounds okay.

0.34

 

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2 hours ago, himi said:

So I was listening to Jinho and I didn't know Pentagon had another vocalist that can support. I thought everybody aside from Jinho and Hui are shallow lol but Yeo One sounds like he has something going on

 

The verse was less impressive with the light approach and he was a bit into the nose. 1:13 E4 carried support but he was kinda tensing up here. He put more effort starting from 1:29 though. 1:41 Some pushing from the throat on the adlibs so everything above F#4 is a no I guess lol. 2:06 there's def some support going on in his mid range. It's less refined than the average guys but better than what I heard from most floppy, shallower W-As lol. 2:18 Tight on the F#4 but not bad.

 

Did more digging and this clip was a bit of a surprise. There was more effort in sounding stronger here. He was mostly singing in his mid range but it was smooth throughout. 0:53, 1:06 some Eb3. 1:14 couple of phrased Eb4/E4 throughout. 1:23 quick E4-F#4 followed by Eb4.

 

Idk if he always sound like this but from these clips he doesn't sound that far from Average

2.38 Bb3 still shallow

3.02 Eb4  

I don't know the standard of support for an weak/weak to average singer, his breath sounds shallow to me but I don't know what people in here will give him. 

2 hours ago, himi said:

 

 

 

 

 

Idk if he always sound like this but from these clips he doesn't sound that far from Average

15.22

 

1.47

I don't know Yeo One but from the clip you attached Jungkook still gives a clearer support than Yeo one.

(Off topic) I saw you doing a video mini analysis Nct and saw a comment about Haechan, unfortunately the example used in most of Haechan's clips is shallow, I remember he used to show it more clearly.

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34 minutes ago, ZRH23 said:

Usually the work that it takes for these tenors to support properly pass E4 is a bit more than what people expect. E4/F4 is where a tenor would start to feel the intensity basically (well, it's gradual I think) and coordinate properly past that. Personally, I'd put the low and mid of W-S as those who has the fundamentals to support but only purely in their midrange, and they start messing up as they climb  and approach that E4/F4 area.

Jungkook has the basics down, he does support pretty consistently but he goes into his nose and sounds 'shallower' on the E4/F4 threshold and the difference in quality becomes more obvious. And it's pretty common for those around the same category to do so, that Yeo One guy too seems to have the tendency to project into his nose here and there. And in doing so, their cords around that range also aren't developed properly enough. 

Ok I agree with the criteria, averange needs a clearer support and from the content himi attached I think Yeoone is not close to averang for me right now he doesn't sound  better than Jungkook on Eb4s  and Jungkook isn't even close averange for me

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44 minutes ago, Devoux3817 said:

how did ning ning do here ?

0.6 She can add a chest voice to her mid-range and it's pretty easy. 

 

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Does anyone follow Little Mix?

What tier are they on?

I'm not familiar with the other girls except Perrie Edwards, but I've heard that the rest of the girls are doing well at least up to Bb4/B4.

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23 hours ago, himi said:

Leaving it here. New discovery (not really) just an overlooked vocalist lol

A really well rounded vocalist. Jinho's midrange is a bit unimpressive but he makes it up for his developed lows AND head voice.... which I overlooked before making this video lol. Kinda ironic since it's most likely his most developed register lol. Bad on my part. Thanks to Baz and ZRH for informing me afterward. (Also he could have lower than C3 if I search hard enough lmao but that's another story)

 

As far as I'm aware his head voice wasn't anything exceptional before, which is why I never noticed it I guess. It's most likely a new improvement. Very nice full head voice up to Eb5/E5 throughout these clips. 1:32 was a bit rough but everything else is really nice

After much discussion, he's most likely in AA with C3/C#3 - G#4 - Eb5/E5(?)

his limit on his upper register is still a mystery for the most part but Eb5/E5 seems like a safe estimation

His G#4 is not very impressive to me and under G#4 he can show a good time but most of the issues are still there and I like it those C#3 sound good. The A4 in the clip sounds very pushed to me as he tries to susatained.

Oh! he's trying to emulate the opera, he still needs more precise muscle coordination but he's doing pretty well. 1.32 It sounds bad because he didn't do it with head voice just like the other clips, His muscles were still mixing.

10 hours ago, Ti Na said:

I saw on Twitter, some Thai people said Lily created C#5 resonance in Let It Go

I'm not sure if it's an resnance , but it sounds openness and closer to the resonance than she's ever done.

 

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4 hours ago, ZRH23 said:

I like this clip. Her midrange definitely feels like it's not just light. Ningning needs a proper singing opportunity that doesn't just involve light head voice all the way through. 

I do think Jade is more than just an Average. She can put up some openness in Bb4-C5 notes. 

@1:07, these are just around Bb4s. She's supporting, just nasal. The others are meh for the phrased C5 but she's okay on the Bb4. 

Hmmm, it's a bit complicated to compare directly like this. But Haseul does use some amount of that proper coordination sometimes, usually just in phrases so far I've heard but it sounds more than just light pop head voice. It's still far from actual opera standards obv, but I'd say her head voice alone is more coordinated than all of the above. Directly comparing the two can be wonky tho considering Haseul lacks the foundation everywhere else lol. 

I wouldn't say so imo. 

Haewon is doing well, particularly in the A3ish - C#5 - Eb5 ish area. She's got some pitch issues when phrasing in the 5th octave, they just fall slightly flat. It's probably due to her coordination being chesty and she lacks a bit of precision with it, but there's no problem as far as support goes. Haewon has real nice fullness in that range and sounds like there's some openness in the Let It Go chorus. The Eb5 also wasnt bad, there's some support being carried. 

Lily though is working that song lol. Nice C#5s and Eb5s, her pitch was more accurate and she was just clean so far I've heard from the karaoke sessions. 

I kinda doubt 'resonance' so far, the reverb/echo coming from the karaoke room is mainly at fault for that 'round' sound. But it was quite good still, probably Lily's best belt so far. It's still cleaner and stronger than what almost all of the AAs could do, and in a karaoke session no less. The Eb5 was also good. 

Crazy In Love: Okay yeah, Jinni does sound nice there. It's a very basic range ofc, but there's definitely support there and it's not shallow in that occasion. I also like Lily's E5/F5 adlib lol.

AIIYL: Jinni sounds alright here too, she's chestier than Sullyoon and Kyujin. She gets more shallow as she goes into the Bb4ish range but below that it's acceptable imo. Sullyoon is more nasal but smoother, Jinni can sound choppy here and there but can be less shallow sometimes. 

Kyujin is definitely cleaner than Jiwoo, less shallow too. It's clear now, there's a bit of a gap between Kyujin, Sullyoon, Jinni and the other two. It does sound like Jinni is the one that supports the best but in a very basic range and I don't she's got control above A4ish. Kyujin and Sullyoon probably sound smoother in that area.

And Lily's Eb5s in Let It Go are supported btw I like them lol. She didn't go flat for the sustained one either which is nice, I've heard a lottt of pitchy covers on this song, even with more advanced vocalists. 

Eb5 sustained sounds like it opened at first but then it closes a bit for me.  At least I don't think it sounds that good.

 

Edited July 23, 2022 by RATY

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25 minutes ago, himi said:

 

Yeah he does have some questionable stylistic quirks like swallowing his tongue or being too gritty in his belts. Compared to other AA guys, his belts are definitely among the weaker ones but compared to the other A-AA guys he'd be above lol. So without the lows and hv he'd be A-AA at best imo since he has shown some moments of openess on his G4/G#4. And right those A4s are definitely pushed. I'd maybe give a pass on the first phrased ones. Support isn't ompletely lost there.  In general, G#4 seems to be his limit.

I don't know much about  vocal ranking ,maybe he could be anything you say , I'm just commenting on him

Edited July 23, 2022 by RATY

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10 minutes ago, exodus05 said:

if a tenor has D3-G4/G#4 but has a light mid range, is he an AAA or an average?

At least he will be an a-aa.

Edited July 25, 2022 by RATY

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Who is the strongest female singer in the Philippines?  Jonalyn Viray ?

@1.46-2.00 Sound very strong, openness and resonance and head voice, she's also very good

 

@1.52  @2.34

1.36 C6 

Is anyone following her?  I've listened to many clips, probably AA-P or P( I'm not sure.)

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, exodus05 said:

I am a filipino. I heard she has resonant C#5s and a great headvoice better than Morissette

 I saw ally kelly chanel say Morissette Amon has F3-F5 and they are arguing

6.54 Eb5-F5 9.52 F5 are supported ?  

 

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9 minutes ago, probee said:

Lea Salonga or Lani Misalucha? From what I remember, they are at least good tier.

Do you have any good clips of her performance?

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25 minutes ago, probee said:

Rip. I just remember them being discussed here.

I searched for some of Lea Salonga performances, I think she has a good low range but her mix voice has a very light coordination above C5 and I think Jonalyn head voice is better than her too

Lani Misalucha  has a great head voice, not something one would find in pop singing and her mix voice is good to, sound strong openness and resonance

 

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8 hours ago, Mrs. Morale said:

She has some highlights on this song.

I'm no expert but her runs are well done. It has been said that her runs are some of the best.

She's one of the most precise vocal runs for me. 

 

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On 8/1/2022 at 4:38 AM, iluvkpop123 said:

Have Xdinary Heroes been discussed here? 

 

Jooyeon & Jungsu are average, they have a fair F4/F#4.

 

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On 7/31/2022 at 9:53 PM, Tinastory16 said:

New vocal materials for NCT Xiaojun

Any thoughts ?

I don't think he puts much effort into singing this song, he remains the same ,nasal and supports F4/F#4. nothing particularly strong for me

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11 hours ago, galhadineas said:

chuu's mom kinda slayed

nice support from Bb3 up to C5 , good head voice

 

 

 

they sang together 

this is one of chuu's best perfomance in terms of consistent support, she supports up to A4 here but above that her mom overpowers her

 

0.59 support ? I don't think so. I really didn't hear anything good in this clip.

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I just saw the fight on ally kelly channel, it's unbelievable that people still believe him even though he makes so many mistakes in his clips.

 

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Kyuhyun's latest C5 content

@3.57 @4.45  C5  

 

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8 hours ago, galhadineas said:

taeyeon's resonant C#5 was everything

No resonance

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1 hour ago, galhadineas said:

 

I don't agree, the C#5 was opened and relaxed enough, the support was obviously there too. It's pretty clear when she goes from the B4 to the C#5 because the B4 wasn't resonant. 

If we compare it to other notes that were called resonant from Taeyeon, it had the same quality of these notes 

@ 4:31

 

@ 6:09

 

but it would be interesting to know why you think it wasn't resonant.

Personally, I think it's just stronger and more open notes but I don't really feel that it resonates.

I've watched these videos before, most of the clips are good time at them doing ,It's cleaner and more open,heard clear changes, has a resonance to use as comparative examples lol 

I don't know the minimum threshold for resonance notes.  There are many clips and many times I disagree about those youtube channels and facebook pages.

Edited August 25, 2022 by RATY