Official Vocals thread (READ OP FIRST)

[Chungie]

FIX THAT

Damn. Me and my weirdest and dumbest typos

[VISION]

KyuHyun is not nasal. His soft palate is raised like all the time.

 

He has been nasal a few times.

 

 

 

 

Hmm okay, maybe "nasal" isn't the right word :p What i mean is his voice was more "crystal clear" and richer. Now, sometimes he sounds like he has stuffed nose (idk the better word lol) in belting notes, esp. in letters b,p,n,m.

 

Example: 2:28, 3:13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wppx7y_ryrE

 

That wasn't really nasal lol. He just adjusted his placement and changed into a brighter mix. That's why his voice turned lighter and brighter.

[Phosphenes]

I guess we can ask about non-kpop artists as well,right?

 

What do you guys think of her voice? 

[yukahoo]

Kyuhyun's singing moves me like no other kpop male's does. It's not every time for sure but when it hits, it hits hard. Most of these "more expressive" kpop singers, I tend to find their singing somewhat maneric and sometimes outright insencere.

 

I'm not going to claim that one style is better than the other since it's all a question of different preferences and perhaps sensitivities, but to claim that Kyuhyun doesn't move people... I find it a pretty tired kpop meme people tend to use when they want to downplay Kyuhyun as a singer.

 

Sorry for continuing the ot.

[VISION]

I guess we can ask about non-kpop artists as well,right?

What do you guys think of her voice? 

 

Nice voice. She did alright vocally there. (though I heard nasality at some parts and slight sloppiness , she didn't really mess up overall) And those phrasing were fine.

[Phosphenes]

Nice voice. She did alright vocally there. (though I heard nasality at some parts, she didn't really mess up) And those phrasing were fine.

 

Thanks ^_^ <3

[moriadler]

Thank you for running this thread. It helps a lot in clearing the myth of vocal techniques for many kpop listeners.
 
Anyway, what do you guys think about Tarja's E6 here (starting @4:17)? (she's a metal singer with operatic vocals)

 

 

 

 

[moriadler]

Kyuhyun's singing moves me like no other kpop male's does. It's not every time for sure but when it hits, it hits hard. Most of these "more expressive" kpop singers, I tend to find their singing somewhat maneric and sometimes outright insencere.

 

I'm not going to claim that one style is better than the other since it's all a question of different preferences and perhaps sensitivities, but to claim that Kyuhyun doesn't move people... I find it a pretty tired kpop meme people tend to use when they want to downplay Kyuhyun as a singer.

 

Sorry for continuing the ot.

 

I share the same sentiment about Kyuhyun. Seriously, how hard is it not be able to find anyone moved by his singing? I mean, just go to one of his youtube solo songs videos and read the comments... -_-

 

One of my biggest pet peeves is kpop fans' obsession with high notes and the so-called expressive singing i.e. adding runs after runs even though the songs don't need them, doing excessive hand movements with some ridiculous postures and making a face like someone stabbing you in the back (*coughJYJcough*). It becomes almost formulaic and insincere as hell. I blame Xtina for furthering this stupid trend.

 

Anyway, anyone here interested in opera? Rosa Ponselle and Joan Sutherland, who do you think is better technically?

[VISION]

Thank you for running this thread. It helps a lot in clearing the myth of vocal techniques for many kpop listeners.

 

Anyway, what do you guys think about Tarja's E6 here (starting @4:17)? (she's a metal singer with operatic vocals)

 

That E6 seemed good. Free and well-placed. Actually, I think that's a D6 lol.

[moriadler]

That E6 seemed good. Free and well-placed.

 Thank you. :D

[AhMin]

Thank you for running this thread. It helps a lot in clearing the myth of vocal techniques for many kpop listeners.

 

Anyway, what do you guys think about Tarja's E6 here (starting @4:17)? (she's a metal singer with operatic vocals)

 

She sang actually D6 and then ...I'm not sure if she went sharp by mistake but she went up to Eb6...

[moriadler]

One thing that has bugged me for a long time is Whitney's "jaw vibrato", or whatever you call it, especially in IWALY:

 

 

Jaw wobbling to create vibrato is one of the common tricks for singer with technical deficiency. It's just a simulation of natural vibrato through the jaw and tongue movements. That's why I wonder if it's one of the contributing factors in Whitney's vocal decline or it's just her habit to make it.... cool.  

 

 

[moriadler]

She sang actually D6 and then ...I'm not sure if she went sharp by mistake but she went up to Eb6...

 Ah thanks for correcting. I'm really bad in this thing. Gotta practice more ear training.

[AhMin]

One thing that has bugged me for a long time is Whitney's "jaw vibrato", or whatever you call it, especially in IWALY:

 

 

Jaw wobbling to create vibrato is one of the common tricks for singer with technical deficiency. It's just a simulation of natural vibrato through the jaw and tongue movements. That's why I wonder if it's one of the contributing factors in Whitney's vocal decline or it's just her habit to make it.... cool.

Actually as far as Ik the sole reason for her vocal decline is drugs. She KILLED her health.. no way out of that... don't worry bout getting the note wrong by a tone/semitone

 

Jaw vibrato...Okay so lemme just correct you there though, her vibrato isn't artificial, you can obviously move your mouth to create a vibrato, it's a fake one.....but For you to be a good singer, you have to be completely relaxed, your throat, your mouth, your face, your body, your JAW. The reason her jaw shakes is because of the vibrations happening in her resonance chambers, which make the jaw vibrate as well, it's a natural vibration however

[moriadler]

Actually as far as Ik the sole reason for her vocal decline is drugs. She KILLED her health.. no way out of that... don't worry bout getting the note wrong by a tone/semitone

 

Jaw vibrato...Okay so lemme just correct you there though, her vibrato isn't artificial, you can obviously move your mouth to create a vibrato, it's a fake one.....but For you to be a good singer, you have to be completely relaxed, your throat, your mouth, your face, your body, your JAW. The reason her jaw shakes is because of the vibrations happening in her resonance chambers, which make the jaw vibrate as well, it's a natural vibration however

 

Yeah, her voice was destroyed mostly because of drug issue but I think her techniques are less than desirable, let say, compared to Mariah's.

 

I disagree about the bold part. I have never seen great singers with natural vibrato wobbling their jaws like Whitney did. So it's obviously something going wrong there.

[VISION]

One thing that has bugged me for a long time is Whitney's "jaw vibrato", or whatever you call it, especially in IWALY:

 

 

Jaw wobbling to create vibrato is one of the common tricks for singer with technical deficiency. It's just a simulation of natural vibrato through the jaw and tongue movements. That's why I wonder if it's one of the contributing factors in Whitney's vocal decline or it's just her habit to make it.... cool.

 

The jaw vibrato was an exaggeration from her part. She did it for effect only. There were times when she used a healthy and relaxed vibrato. Yes, using jaw vibrato can be damaging to your voice as it creates tension, BUT Whitney was STILL able to produce a resonant and healthy sound almost all the time along with her vibrato, so there was no signs of tension in her voice that may be caused by that jaw vibrato. So I don't believe jaw vibrato affected her vocal deterioration much. 

[akisame]

One thing that has bugged me for a long time is Whitney's "jaw vibrato", or whatever you call it, especially in IWALY:

 

 

Jaw wobbling to create vibrato is one of the common tricks for singer with technical deficiency. It's just a simulation of natural vibrato through the jaw and tongue movements. That's why I wonder if it's one of the contributing factors in Whitney's vocal decline or it's just her habit to make it.... cool.

The jaw vibrato was her own personal choice, she did it to create an effect. However, she used her jaw vibrato healthily which is why she was able to resonate and sing healthy 95% of the time. Hard drug abuse is what ruined her.

[VT Evil Queen]

Yeah, her voice was destroyed mostly because of drug issue but I think her techniques are less than desirable, let say, compared to Mariah's.

 

I disagree about the bold part. I have never seen great singers with natural vibrato wobbling their jaws like Whitney did. So it's obviously something going wrong there.

Maybe after drugs, but Whitney Houston's technique is probably the most desirable technique there is among Mainstream vocalist. Whitney Houston was extremely skilled, she could bring her Mask up to G#5 majority of people start using Head Placement after Eb5, so her being able to bring her Mask up to G#5 just proves how skilled she was. She has also done Mesa Di Voce which only vocalist with amazing Dynamics can do/achieve, not even Mariah Carey has done that. She also has a completely developed and connected Head Voice, and fully supported Lower Range, so I don't know how her technique is less than desirable..

I think you need to watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg2eRHdPJM0

 

Mariah Carey may be the Imperial Songbird, but Whitney Houston is The Voice.

[zakuro]

Hi guys, I'm new to this forum *bows*, but can I ask something..? so I found this predebut video of Baekhyun (he's in the middle). I want to know what note did he hit around 3:38? Is it head voice or falsetto? or just screaming? lol. I don't know much about music/vocals, so please help me ^^

And why do I feel that his voice was better in this pre debut video? Like it was deeper and less whiny?

God bless whoever answer this :D :D

 

 

 

*one more question: Is Kim Dong Ryul a baritone?

[Silver Crown]

wha do you guys think about Jessie £

 

Edit: Jessie J

[akisame]

Hi guys, I'm new to this forum *bows*, but can I ask something..? so I found this predebut video of Baekhyun (he's in the middle). I want to know what note did he hit around 3:38? Is it head voice or falsetto? or just screaming? lol. I don't know much about music/vocals, so please help me ^^

And why do I feel that his voice was better in this pre debut video? Like it was deeper and less whiny?

God bless whoever answer this :D :D

 

 

 

*one more question: Is Kim Dong Ryul a baritone?

I can't watch videos right now, sorry

 

wha do you guys think about Jessie £

 

Edit: Jessie J

She's mediocre and a banshee. Her C#5s are done with no vibrato or support, she uses a forced jaw vibrato. She can't keep tonality and often sings out-of-tune. She's nasal and her runs are sloppy. Christina Aguilera 2.0 IMO.

[rinamy]

Hi guys, I'm new to this forum *bows*, but can I ask something..? so I found this predebut video of Baekhyun (he's in the middle). I want to know what note did he hit around 3:38? Is it head voice or falsetto? or just screaming? lol. I don't know much about music/vocals, so please help me ^^

And why do I feel that his voice was better in this pre debut video? Like it was deeper and less whiny?

God bless whoever answer this :D :D

 

 

 

 

Sounds like G#5 to me (he goes a little flatter in the middle).  

[VISION]

Hi guys, I'm new to this forum *bows*, but can I ask something..? so I found this predebut video of Baekhyun (he's in the middle). I want to know what note did he hit around 3:38? Is it head voice or falsetto? or just screaming? lol. I don't know much about music/vocals, so please help me ^^

And why do I feel that his voice was better in this pre debut video? Like it was deeper and less whiny?

God bless whoever answer this :D :D

 

 

 

*one more question: Is Kim Dong Ryul a baritone?

 

It's a G#5. Sounds like it's in heady mix.

 

His voice was better at that time because it was in a good, healthy condition as he didn't go out of his comfort zone as much or attempt those high notes like in MAMA or Wolf. His voice was less whiny because he didn't go that high and strain his voice as much back then.

[GetReal]

Actually not slim. Pitch has some things to do with support, Josias is right. The only way you can go sharp is by excess of air pressure against the vocal cords, causing the pitch they're producing to go sharp, if it's not too much though, you can still retain a resonant sound... same for going flat, you can still be resonant even if you're flat, flat isn't always a support thing, it can also be muscle memory. Your vocal cords are used to hitting the note under pitch so even if it's comfortable for you, if you're not sensitive to it, you'll always hit it under pitch even if it's free and relaxed, unless you think about it and raise the pitch to be more centered. 

 

But still the pitch correcting mics thing is bs. lol 

 

 

as far as I remember EXO goes smth like D.O. > Chen > Lay(?) > Baekhyun > Luhan or smth like that, in that scale, onew would be like around the Chen/Lay area, whereas Jonghyun and Taemin would be above D.O.

Sorry to butt in, but are Jonghyun and Taemin are better than Yunho and Changmin I'm just Curious because someone who told me they knew vocal techniques said for SM boys it was Kyuhyun> Changmin>Yesung=Ryeowook > Yunho >D.O> Chen=Lay Jonghyun> Onew>Taemin I believed him at first but it looks like you guys have a different opinion

[VISION]

Sorry to butt in, but does that mean Jonghyun and Taemin are better than Yunho and Changmin I'm just Curious because someone who told me they knew vocal techniques said for SM boys it was Kyuhyun> Changmin>Yesung=Ryeowook > Yunho >D.O> Chen=Lay Jonghyun> Onew>Taemin I believed him at first but it looks like you guy have a different opinion

 

Yes both Jonghyun and Taemin are better than Yunho and Changmin. 

 

Actually, it goes like this: Kyuhyun > Ryeowook > Yesung > Jonghyun/Taemin > Onew/Changmin > Yunho

 

I'm not sure who's better between Onew and Changmin. It's also hard to tell where EXO vocalists should be placed in this ranking as they don't have as much material as the rest to judge their vocals properly.