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Oh, It's that musical!  I've heard Ock Joohyun singing it too. I think she did well but the F#5 6.39 was strained. Not bad mixing though.

 

Jennie has weak support and she pushes her voice a lot. So it's messing with her legato and making it sound chopped up, like she's half singing and half talking. She's much more opened than Rose and Jisoo though, I'll give her that. But her support is weaker than Rose's I think.

 

Oh wow! Such a nice baritone! To me, hearing resonance in heavier voices is always a problem. For example, I just can't hear resonance  when Ahmin sings. But I hear this guy clearly. Nice^^.

 

Gosh, I love her vocals! Beyonce always seemed underrated to me, as a vocalist at least. 

No the one in black didn't do well at all 6:30 flat D5

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Low key shook by your reveal of being a BoA stan djdjdjdjdjdj. Personally I'm a really big fan of ballads as well as some trot and traditional folk music. I really do enjoy old music, I used to watch Chinese opera for fun. I don't really know any BoA stuff except that one song p101.

PS I don't hate formation but it's not my favourite cup of tea on the album Ms trunchbull. Whack is still used and same with trickass although for trickass. I can enlighten you with the new and improved generation of slang.

 

Mess @fooly Cooley sjhdxjdjdjjdjd that high key sounds like a messy iconic bop so I'll check it out.

u can enlighten yourself first WE BOTh KNOW U DOn't KNOW A LOT OF THINGS 

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I've been seeing people talk about this Dimash guy so I watched a video to check what the fuss is all about.

This is the video I watched and I skipped into a random part and the first thing I see is that he likes to... jerk off the microphone mid-singing.

 

1:40 and 5:14

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1Rsl69d-OU

 

now that is what I call an aggressive handjob that I wouldn't want KAKAKAkaka..kaka....right guys? eh..? guys? well ok maybe not y'all freaks that actually took that secret survey

wow U actually went there lol  well the Mic BS is VITAS thing he's a fanboy of him so 

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I'm honestly so interested in how Demi's vocals are now. 

 

 

Prior to 2011/2012, she had (mainly) consistent resonance up to C#5, like in the video at 2.26. She held a resonant (I think, at least supported) C#5 for 5 seconds, which is frankly impressive. I know that she had a few rough years for her and around Skyscraper, she still had pretty consistent resonance up to at least Bb4/B4 and supported C5s but I don't think I've heard many good C#5s from her since then.

She has had problems with chestiness and throatiness above C#5s since the beginning but after 2011. it's basically strain the 5th octave,

 

But now that she's back with Sorry Not Sorry, I wonder if she actually improved (like loads of her fans said). 

 

 

 

Can't say this impressed. The good thing was her lower range. There was a few moments that she kinda lost the pitch but for the most parts, her G3s seem pretty solid. The rest though, I'm hoping it's stylistic. The choruses are a bit messy. Falsettos and sometimes I think there's supported B4/C5s but like at, 1.08, the G4 is already like, pulled back int her thriat.

 

Does anyone have any other clips of Demi Lovato for her singing recently?

Her G3s seem solid?!! 0:19 it quite and lack cord connection i don't hear that  sorry . A3 is her limit even ON Bb3 it not that solid and projected she didn't improve it the same demi ... U know how people like to overrate everyone they stan / whenever i Go i read people saying someone in improving lol 

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Well, by solid I meant full of tone which you have to admit, she does have. Her tone carries all the way down to C#3 quite clearly, but support only at A3/Bb3 perhaps. The G3s (for the most parts) weren't bad at all but it wasn't supported. Her support didnt carry all the way down there, which would explain the pitchiness of the low notes despite a lot of tone. I think a few might be supported though, if not, they're not far from it.

 

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yeah it carry tone But there's a Clear drop of support ... Perhaps?!! that what she showed that not me lol tbh i don't hear a lot of tone you're hearing i didn't hear any G3 supported in that  performance . AGAIN her low Range never was extraordinary and for me she's FAR from supporting G3 cause the support On the LOW RANGE as a whole isn't solid let her support A3 properly then we can talk about G3   

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Never did I expect to see that guy from Supergirl as a good singer. Neither did I ever see him slaying Let It Go from Frozen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q7rbNKkU3I

 

And he did both..I am SHOOK.

It turns out he's a Broadway actor and he really impressed me with his technique. 0.48, Bb2 seems nice and at 1.07, he lowered his larynx for that Bb2 (obviously stylistic) but it still sounds nice. 3.43, the A4 was so nice to hear! The weird thing about Let It Go is whenever people sing the climax, they either: a) be on-key but the note itself could be more open/strained, b) be resonant but surprisingly flat (ehem, Son Seungyeon), c) just straight out flat and strained. Jeremy Jordan's rendition is the first one that I'm actually impressed with the climax LOL. 

 

 

 

And this too...and I thought Beyonce's version was impressive, this really gave me an eargasm. So many resonant moments... 3.24 - 3.26, nice riffs, I hear a quick but nice Bb4 there. 3.35 - 3.38, very nice runs there and oh, love the A4! 3.43, very nice G#4 and G4. 4.27, The A4 made me bald from the resonance. 1.45, I'm not sure what note that is, C#3 maybe but that is really nice too.

 

Just from these two videos, he's probably got a solid Bb2-A4 range covered. Maybe Bb4 but there's not enough to hear.

Mitch rendition is not bad too with more dynamic than Jeremy and supported B4 

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I'm not sure about the dynamics thing, I'd say Jeremy Jordan was better at that. But both of their musicianship skills are on point. I prefer Jeremy's rendition though because overall, the performance was more or less flawless, very fitting for his range, Bb2-A4. Mitch on the other hand, even though a resonanted a B4, his climax note (C#5) irritated me when listening to it cause it just doesn't hit the mark. He definitely doesn't have C#5 yet and that belt ruined it for me lol.

But they're both not very far apart, vocal wise.

DYnamic i meant he used more head voice in his rendition ... actually mitch don't have that much of a strong low range i'm not sure of anything below Eb3

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I just checked Mitch's vocal range video, it seems like his lower range isn't bad at all. Perhaps C#3? He doesn't go down there often but C3 seems a bit too soft..I'm not sure. His head voice is nice too. But it is a bit inconsistent... I'd say E5 is the highest where he is consistent. He always tries to 'belt' his head voice so it's pretty pushed.

C#3 no i would just give him Eb3 for head voice he goes for a masky one most of the time but he does have a pure head voice supported up F#5 

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Lmao. Okay then, he doesn't have anything in the 2nd octave lol. I'm really not good at judging the lower range, I tend to give a lot of benefit of the doubt. It's hard to differentiate if it's supported or not supported. Especially in cases like Jeremy Jordan or Demi Lovato, where they don't really lower their larynx (JJ did but it sounds kinda on purpose and Demi is inconsistent af) and the low notes are not airy but are full of tone.

 

I wish someone could enlighten this for me lol. Because I get confused as sometimes, Uji for example, sang quite softly around Eb3/E3 and a bit airy but it actually has proper connection to the chest and it didn't really have a drop of support, Ahmin said. And that's what I supposedly hear from other people too so I'm confused AF.

 

Lol, yes I'm a baritone but my low notes aren't great. Now that I think about it, it's the same situation. I don't lower my larynx, I don't become airy and I have a lot of tone until, like, D2/C#2. But I dont think I even support G2.

Well, I'm not going to argue over lower ranges anymore lol. Unless it's blatantly obvious. Hm, he can have a nice head voice up there. That's what I said, it doesn't seem consistent. Maybe it's stylistic but when he uses the masky head voice, I wouldn't say F5/F#5 is supported. They're a bit shrill and pushed, to me. For someone like Mitch, I actually expected a fairly impressive head voice. I mean, it's still impressive now but I kinda expected Ryeowook/Jung Dongha level of head voice.

 

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u mention Ryeowook when Park hyo shin got better coordination and management of his head voice lol ..... anyways i was quite surprised he went that high while maintaining support .... it seems he prefers the masky placement it not uncommon for tenors i gave him D5/Eb5 in the past but i need to look more into his lives 

you can clearly hear he use both masky and pure head up G5 

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I am not familiar with Park Hyoshin other than that he is inconsistent with his C5s lol. I didnt know him so I didn't mention him. Ryeowook in general is pretty inconsistent these days too.

 

Anyways, yes I already know Mitch has good moments up to G5. But from the G5s showcased, 2 are good and 2 are not. The F#5s, do not sound good but then again, it MIGHT be a stylistic choice so I am still skeptical. His F5s are the same case, some are squeezed and tight while some have very nice production. So, I am still skeptical about whether it's stylistic or not because there hasn't been enough for me to hear lol. Maybe he does have G5 consistently but I'd love to hear good F5/F#5s too because so far, it can seem like he got lucky.

 

Fine, for the benefit of the doubt, let's assume he's got F#5/G5. Based on purely consistency, maybe E5/F5. Cuz if he uses mask placement on the F5s-G5s they really don't sound good, strained even.

 

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PARK Hyo shin is one of big dogs of head voice he's stronger than Ryeowook, I didn't talk about support when it comes to mitch i was talking about placement cause some people smh don't know he got a pure head voice not just the loud masky one 

that range video is quite old .... i believe he improved but it hard to be sure without that much live material 

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I am not familiar with Park Hyoshin other than that he is inconsistent with his C5s lol. I didnt know him so I didn't mention him. Ryeowook in general is pretty inconsistent these days too.

 

Anyways, yes I already know Mitch has good moments up to G5. But from the G5s showcased, 2 are good and 2 are not. The F#5s, do not sound good but then again, it MIGHT be a stylistic choice so I am still skeptical. His F5s are the same case, some are squeezed and tight while some have very nice production. So, I am still skeptical about whether it's stylistic or not because there hasn't been enough for me to hear lol. Maybe he does have G5 consistently but I'd love to hear good F5/F#5s too because so far, it can seem like he got lucky.

 

Fine, for the benefit of the doubt, let's assume he's got F#5/G5. Based on purely consistency, maybe E5/F5. Cuz if he uses mask placement on the F5s-G5s they really don't sound good, strained even.

 

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PARK Hyo shin is one of big dogs of head voice he's stronger than Ryeowook, I didn't talk about support when it comes to mitch i was talking about placement cause some people smh don't know he got a pure head voice not just the loud masky one 

that range video is quite old .... i believe he improved but it hard to be sure without that much live material 

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Oh okay, finally a male vocalist that can actually support and not strain their way through songs. You should also post these at the KpopVocalAnalysis blog, I'd really prefer Ahmin answer these lol. But I'll take a look at these...

 

First video: Ooh, he's cute. His looks distracted me there lol. Ah, it's nice to hear him supporting nicely. He is singing very lightly but it's nicely controlled. Yeah, he's got F#4 down, that's nice! Hm, he's phrased G#4s aren't bad cuz he is mixing nicely, the placement isn't bad too, I think. But I wouldn't say it's supported. It got a bit tight and more squeezed than the F#4s so the support is not as strong but he's really not straining. Not sure about where the G4s are but he seems to be doing nicely in that part.

 

0.48. the E4 was nice, sounded pretty easy to him. His mixing is also a bit more chesty so I guess he can control his mix nicely. I like his timbre. He is supporting throughout, 1.18, that's a nice F4. Again, more balanced than earlier. 3.14, yup, he's definitely got F#4 down.

 

Second video: His hair isn't as nice, therefore he ain't as cute lol. He is still supporting but I think he sounds less nice here...not sure. He is singing lightly but the sound isn't forward enough, I think. 0.05, supported. 0.19, not bad but the vowel wasn't helping lol, it was tight. Not supported but the vowel is an issue as well. Uh-oh, he doesn't seem to have a nice upper register. That falsetto was almost pure air. 0.23, if there was a G4 (I'm not checking the notes) then it sounds pretty nice, maybe supported. 0.27, sustained F#4, supported but the sound isn't placed forward enough. If anything, it sounds like it's pulled a bit into the throat. Could be better. 0.41, yeah that's almost just air. 0.43, sounds more like G#4-G4 to me. G#4, there was a bit of crack there but still not that bad, G4 was also not bad but again, damn vowels. It was tight but it didn't sound strained.

 

 

Overall, he seems pretty solid to me. His mixing is nice and I think he can control it to be more balanced if he wanted to. He's got F#4 down, his lower range is unknown but his upper register...yeah, not impressive. He seems to be doing nicely with trills as well. G4 is a question mark and G#4 is not bad but he's not there yet. What else... he doesn't produce resonance, not open enough. Oh, he's pretty much similar to NCT's Taeil lol. But go ask at the blog, I'm curious as well. I might be wrong or left some parts out.

 

Oh, and he isn't nasal. Placement on...mascara??? You mean, mask? lol. I suppose so but he's not forward enough. He looks pretty young too...hm, born in 1999 apparently.

I don't understand why people are So underestimating Taeil .... his support is pretty solid on F#4s and below, he could work on his vowels shaping in general and be more open On G4 and G#4 but his mix is pretty balanced if you compare him with debuting baekhyun for example he had some troubles with intonation and throatiness all that caused by the unbalance of his mix and low chest placement

he's one of the very promising rookies After seventeen  seungkwan

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Okay, both Park HyoLee and I were off the mark. But I was worse lol. Ahmin fired me LOL. Anyways, JooChan apparently...doesn't support. Like, at all. High larynx throughout. He really had me confused lol. I'll keep working on identifying better with male vocals lol. Female vocalists tends to be more obvious for me.

I hope you weren't implying that I was underestimating Taeil ^^. I don't, I quite like him. It was just that I wrongly believed Joochan to be of similar skill as him...yeah, dead wrong XD. I like Taeil. I wish he was more consistent tho. He had good moments of support/good placement up to A4 at times. He had me shook. I think it's just a matter of consistency between him and Seungkwan. Well, Seungkwan is considerably more open and he can produce resonance and is more consistent, thats all I guess. Taeil has a better lower range, I think.

 

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You said he was pretty similar to Taeil lol those are your words .... that Joochan is pretty close to jungkook than anything else 

even when Taeil doesn't have resonance yet he's quite A to AA level he showed support on D3 all those are estimations ... SM vocalists tend to improve after debuting 

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I'm watching KBS "The Unit" atm, some of the contestants seem pretty good to my untrained ears. Who do y'all think is the best singer on the show so far? Pre and pro-elimination. On one of the episode, they chose 100% Rockhyun as the best male singer and 5dolls/The Seeya Yeonkyun as the best female singer. Do y'all agree with this?

 

Also, who can do the whistle notes in K-pop? So far I've only heard Shannon and I think Dreamchater's main vocal whistle in one of their old song, but that's pretty much it.

Actually, there's Gunwoo of MYNAME who's STRONGER actually but he didn't participate in the VOCAL battle ep for some reason 

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welp...the good news is this thread is REALLY active again eh guys?  eh?

it was...100% my fault lmao. It was definitely what I said that set it off (as always o_o). not your fault whatsoever, I'll probably have to respond later on but at the moment, no time.

 

 

OH SHIT Beyoncé sang that head voice with depth/lower larynx. Never heard her do it like that before, do you happen to know what performance it was? I mean it's fine for a pop singer, she is doing it decently enough and it's clearly already bigger and better than the way most other pop singers do it. Listen to that squillo like dayum, and people think a "lyric" voice can't have this penetrating quality to it and that only singers like Whitney could, like pls. It didn't sound like a Bb5 though.

 

it's not that I'm against the usage of "full lyric" per se, but around certain circles, like this thread tbh, it is poorly used. Some classical people in my circles use it but they know what they're talking about, so it doesn't matter. I just say "bigger lyric" or "larger lyric" when I refer to lyric voices that are slightly heavier than others. There are spinto/dramatic voices that are slightly heavier in comparison to other spinto/dramatic voices so putting a huge emphasis on the variation between lyric voices has always been so redundant to me.

 

and yeah idk why people still insist on using these terms for pop singers, even the blog has stopped that already. Beyoncé is not a "lyric mezzo", not in the way that pop people talk about being "lyric". You can CLEARLY hear when listening to the timestamp from ParkHyoLee of Beyoncé doing a head voice in a lengthened vocal tract/lower larynx position, and that's not even with years of full-on classical training. If she went through years of full-on classical training it'd be a different story. Don't get me wrong, she IS the highest type of mezzo but the highest type of mezzo isn't even small. Another random fact, the youtube user and video that everyone learned "falcon soprano" off of stated other singers he thinks are "falcon soprano" in the comments section, and some are just high mezzos. He got confused because the properly trained high mezzo can sing with spinto and dramatic voices and make their entire careers off of singing the biggest mezzo repetoire, plenty of examples of that.

 

hyorin's way of mixing when she was on point is much better than current Ailee lol. I heard another recent Ailee performance and she still has these constriction issues and her vowels are distorted from bad throat shaping.

 

but to add to this, honestly Hyorin would grasp a head voice in literally one hour at most if she sat down with someone who knows what sounds are good. I even taught my little sister how to do a lower larynx head voice, like Beyoncé's up in that timestamp, and she never sang before. I mean obviously she wasn't doing it up to C6 or some shit lol, my sister is a soprano but she can do it up to G5 now and she doesn't even practice at all.

 

All these pop sopranos would grasp it so fast with their experience, people can't seriously believe that they can mix up to F5 or something and then somehow the next note above that turns into some breathy falsetto thing. They have stylistic habits, blame that on r&b/pop influences, they just think it sounds more "pretty" so that's all they bother to do. So many baritones have breathyass low notes, even lower baritones like Hwang Chi Yeol, but he does it because it sounds "pretty" to sing it in a soft husky voice. If he sat down with someone for like one hour, he'd be doing clearer Frank Sinatra or Johnny Cash sounding low notes easily, maybe not as low as them but he would certainly be able to make the sound instead of the breathy sound he uses.

YEah the Thread is Really active LOL 

i think that Was a G#5 not a Bb5 , i always say Ailee BIG TRAGEDY is her vowel shaping but SOme think she just need to balance her mix 

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I honestly never thought of this comparaison lol I'm quite surprised, I didn't know that I sounded like him but whatever, I like his voice so thanks ! The vocal thread is not really active nowadays so idk but I'll do some covers just for the fun. Maybe a collab if someone wants to. ^-^

You don't hear your both voices sounds very alike?

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G3 is a very standard low note for a good soprano to be able to sing though?? Like I'm pretty sure F3 or F#3 is where a trained soprano should be able to sing down to? As a soprano, that's what I've heard from many teachers.

G3 is already quit good if it really supported for a soprano F3 is more than trained for me a soprano who support that low is considered very developed chest/low range wise

 

 

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You make a fair point, but I suppose in general I meant the original comment more for contemporary singers anyway. Like a large reason why that note sounds that full is because she's lowering her larynx quite a bit.

 

 

I disagree here. I think G3 should be a given, but I'll give in on an F3 maybe being a stretch for a standard well-trained soprano.

 

Also a note for both of you: I'm probably being at least partially biased since I'm a soprano who always had an easy time in my lower range.

I don't think G3 should be a given do you know that many modern soprano who support F#3/F3 ?!?

 

You make a fair point, but I suppose in general I meant the original comment more for contemporary singers anyway. Like a large reason why that note sounds that full is because she's lowering her larynx quite a bit.

 

 

I disagree here. I think G3 should be a given, but I'll give in on an F3 maybe being a stretch for a standard well-trained soprano.

 

Also a note for both of you: I'm probably being at least partially biased since I'm a soprano who always had an easy time in my lower range.

I don't think G3 should be a given do you know that many modern soprano who support F#3/F3 ?!? Nowdays some don't even try to support A3s ....for me if a soprano support G3 it enough it not easy to support below

Arn't you the one who thought she was a mezzo and then a full soprano?

 

 

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Sopranos with F#3/F3: Ock JooHyun, Barbra Streisand, 韩红, é»„ç»®çŠ (in her prime), Lena Park, Betty Buckley, Tarja Turunen, and Natalie Weiss off the top of my head, lol

There's uji, Hayley Williams, Tori, Jimin , Dana and Boa

My point is all those have more than above average low range... G3 is not what most Soprano got again I'm talking about nowdays sopranos. A3/Bb3 is where we hear most sopranos trying to support and this is considered low for a soprano range wise for me G3 is developed having F3 Is quite impressive

 

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Classical background...that intrigues me. Like Lara Fabian too. They definitely have a superior sense of projection and resonance and all that stuff. Thats mainly why i never count them as people who could be compared to someone like Mariah or Whitney. They simply are not very pop singers and the styles are very different too. Even Barbra seems like too different of a style, Betty too. But that's just my thought.

Uji has at least E3 consistently. She supported 4 of them in the same song, midphrase. Her lower range is really nice.

 

Taeyeon's G3 is around the same level as Eunji's now, she improved. Plus, Eunji is naturally has a heavier voice. I swear, Taeyeon is one of those vocalists that you could clearly see the work and development she's going through. I honestly think that she'll have Eb5 consistently in her next comeback.

Ah yes! I noticed this! They talk fine around G3 but when they sing, that area turns into air. Like, tf? But i do think it has something to do with the overall approach and that they haven't properly stretched it down that low, nor are they aware. It's kinda like how we can scream A4 (as males) but we cant really support F4. Or squeal out G5 when a Bb4 in head voice isn't handled.

I thought Haley Williams was a mezzo?

Eunji has a pretty nice lower range with much potential but i haven't seen her support below G3...i think. Id love some clips of her supporting F#3s lol. That one you linked wasn't bad, was it an E3? It had a lowered larynx (not the good way) but it wasn't too bad.

Lena Park and Natalie Weiss can support around Eb3/E3. BTW, what's your opinion on Natalie? I've heard her support up to B5 (?) though you could see the difference between her mixing and Sohyang's. Anyways, i have yet to find a...serious flaw to Natalie lol. What do you think?

 

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No Hayley Is a soprano

 

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I think she came from a musical theatre background? But like way back when she was a kid. I think she's generally a good vocalist, but some of her highest high notes (like Eb5-ish and above) get a bit screamy, but since I haven't paid extreme attention it could be a stylistic thing. I remember seeing an unedited video of her recording 'Still Into You' in the studio. She like, never sings the high notes in the chorus live though, pretty sure she sang it for the recording and then that was it lmao

 

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Her mix  never was her best register but she still supports C5s even in her recent stuff  ... but i remember she has a very developed low range i'm not sure below But F3s sound supported .... for an alternative/punk rock vocalist she's pretty decent 

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What about the notes that are "resonant" but with reverb?  

 

I like how you listed Whitney in that, yet Whitney does EXACTLY so many right things that are considerably better than every crossover singer (against Lara, Whitney's head voice is considerably better. Perhaps on F5 and F#5 Lara might have had the consistency advantage in what makes both of them good up to that range exceptional -the coordination AND depth necessary with the absence of constrictions) and modern classical singer I could even think of, except I don't know to what degree David Phelps is considered skilled. Patti is neither crossover nor classical, yet has considerable skill too and does exceptional things in the way Whitney did also.

 

Natalie has a really good foundation. Contemporary singing doesn't have any truly objective standards since so, so much of it depends on taste and what you consider to be acceptable sounds. What I would ask from her is more depth and more consistency with depth. From what I heard from her, she has a generally bright sound, which isn't necessarily a flaw, but is something she could add to have a larger range of dynamics since you can only ever be so big with a limited amount of depth.

 

 

I do agree that G3 was really nice, though. I'll give you that +1

 

Crossover is so vague to me too. It's just a genre, and I've heard some rather weak "crossover" singers myself. Just because you call yourself "classically trained" doesn't necessarily mean you had the proper classical training, nor had the right standards, nor did you learn / internalize the teachings, though if you had a proper teacher that knew the right sounds to look out for you should really be on a good track lol. I've heard soooo many questionable singers that called themselves "classically trained", and all I can think of "For what length of time? Are you sure you listened properly? Are you sure you're singing the way you were taught? I hope you weren't taught to sing like that."  I do know if the larynx is neutral, you're automatically out. If you think a soprano doesn't need a good chest voice or a male voice a good falsetto, you're also out too. I think that's about it for the things that would separate even the bad opera singers from good pop vocalists since there is a mix of other stuff they do that separates them from the historical legends, but keeps them around the top for pop standards that I don't know the intricacies of.

EVEN E5 i HEARd LARA being more consistent than Whitney , david has a average low range like Eb3 his head voice is very undeveloped ( weak for me )  

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what? How can Lara Fabian not be considered a "pop" or contemporary style...it's Lara Fabian, do you know how popular she is in certain parts of Europe? LOL

 

I don't get how Barbra isn't either, she sang in a bright manner for the most part. Obviously they aren't bubblegum pop or kpop kind of pop but it's still a contemporary style. Whitney sang darker when she wanted to but she had an accent and phrasing that was not stereotypically "classical" sounding, it was appropriate for soul/r&b/pop. And you don't think Whitney had a "superior sense of resonance and projection"? It kinda seems like you are calling some singers like Barbra with very "proper" diction (like when a comedian imitates a stereotypical white American accent) and phrasing that may be more musical theater as "classical".

 

Lara is more consistent than Whitney was but Whitney was still generally better than whatever you would think is non-pushing or has "ease". Most of mid larynx "resonant" singing in pop is just a more refined method of shouting when it is a "chesty mix" or excessive tension in one way or another when it is a "light mix". Whitney's head voice was definitely much bigger and more coordinated than Lara, but I would not hold this against Lara whatsoever. It's contemporary singing, you don't need to do a Whitney head voice if you do not want to. I do not expect everyone to sing in a mix that is like Lara, it can be brighter if they want to. I do not expect Beyoncé to sing that recent timestamped G#5 head voice the way she did all the time, it's just not necessary for the style and you should be able to choose. Sohyang's HV technique is much smaller than Whitney and even Patti Labelle but I would not expect her to do it bigger if she does not want to. Sometimes I think if people cared about "resonance" and "health" so much you should just make everyone sing every style like an opera singer lol.

 

are you calling David Phelps and Lara Fabian "crossover artists"? lmao no dude, he's a gospel singer. Especially if the whole neutral larynx clan, like on youtube these days, is constantly using him in videos or namedropping him as having great contemporary technique in comments.

 

David Phelps' head voice is not "underused" whatsoever. Head voice development and coordination is more than a competition of who can hoot like an owl the highest. That's just what pop/r&b listeners are used to because singers always throw a hoot in here and there but that is not even the most developed way whatsoever. There's obviously a shit ton of things that these singers are not doing in comparison to classical head voice, and they do not need to because it is not the *style*. Contemporary is obviously not just one style or one method, not everyone's style is geared in terms of throwing in high notes in head voice in the same way that *insert kpop singer with good head voice* does not have to show any truly advanced facility in fiorature. Some male gospel singers do not actually employ the use of falsetto or head voice a lot in the fifth octave, their style is mostly belting and David Phelps is one of these guys. He prefers to use head voice that generally overlaps with his mix range, just like male opera singers.

 

it's sort of like when pop listeners say some bullshit about male opera singers not developing head voice just because they do not owl hoot in the 5th octave (they can btw, they NEED to do this in practice but NOT performance unless you are a countertenor, too lazy to post more examples but search Pavarotti's vocal range video and listen to the F5), so apparently they are wizards because they do all sorts of crescendos/diminuendos/messa di voce on notes that barely any pop tenor has ever demonstrated at an advanced level. Go search that post I made about dynamics and head voice with the tenor doing a 15 second sustained C5 with a diminuendo.

 

in this performance there's a lot of crescendos, subtle diminuendos and passages sung in mezza voce, which is a huge part of advanced lower register/upper register coordination. This is much more difficult than simply doing a higher head voice note. Listen to the whole thing, it is a shorter performance but I will timestamp some stuff

0:15 - 0:21

2:04 - 2:13

0:56 - 1:03

 

 

lastly there is nothing wrong with a pure falsetto if it is done well enough. Singing in pure falsetto is a method of developing the upper register muscles. It is not the same as having a weak chest voice which is definitely a bad thing, but of course there are many bad falsettos as well. Nothing wrong with a relaxed and relatively clear falsetto, it is healthy and necessary for development.

 

People give credit for being a kpop singer doing a small head voice (or mix) better than another kpop or western pop singer but when a singer does a bigger head voice or mix than the skilled kpop singers you like, there is no extra credit given. And again, I am cool with singers choosing to sing in lighter or fuller styles, contemporary styles should be allowed to have many different sounds, but I am simply using your own logic against you and playing devil's advocate here so you can think about your standards. They are very kpop-centric and blog-centric, and obviously it is a kpop forum but this is an "objective" vocals thread so try looking at things from a different angle.

Some people don't know but she's our Mariah Carey, Our European diva ...Her fanbase is huge in France, Belgium and Russia Her French albums always charted , also Canada where she spent some time through her career .this February she gonna be a judge on the the voice (Canada ver) + she gonna have an American tour

 

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Pretty sure Eunice is the best, then Jooeun who has some support. Eunchae has shallow support occasionally, and she is sometimes relaxed around C5. Dunno if I've ever heard Yebin support.

DIA girls sound relaxed around C5 à¹_๠.... I think you heard the wrong group lol

 

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She's a soprano....???

 

Edit: I would love for a contralto to somehow miraculously debut in a kpop group one day, I wonder what people would say.

She sound like a mezzo to you?

 

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