AhMin 5,245 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 oh...lol you can add it to the female list ;) jks did you add Shinhwa yet? yes Shinhwa only Hyesung is in.. I want Lee Hyun in and some other lessors will be out lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhMin 5,245 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Minwoo is also a vocalist to. So you should add him He is terrible tho.. some ZE:A and other vocalists there shudnt even be there. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhMin 5,245 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Well, Kenzie would be on the shit list for Wolf. XD I'm not too sure about YYJ, but there was some sniping about how he's ~projecting~ himself on Exo since he's no longer a singer himself. (But I might be mixing this up with other SM fandoms griping about his title track work for them.) Ryan Jhun is the twit who kept dropping hints on Exo's comeback (for months and months and months now) that of course never came true because he doesn't actually work for SM or anything, and then he wound up only writing one of the most mediocre songs on the album. He's also the one who warned ppl who were downloading and spreading the links that he'd be calling the FBI on them, so basically an ass all around. >.> Well, since chocopanda has been slacking, I guess I should do it. >.> I mean, it's not really going to be that hard since there's a tumblr that tracks everything b.a.p and I just have to look under the fancams for stuff. Of course where Daehyun is Youngjae will also be, but I am a little worried for him--unless it turns out his technique is actually better or something (my ears are not particularly refined, anyway XD) but I... really... doubt this is the case. ._. eh. Every male singer in SM will tend to sound like YYJ when they sing his songs since he sings the demos and whatnot, just listen to SM The Ballad lol oh wow I would need one of those tumblrs for myself lol maybe he could be better we dunno.lol Kenzie only wrote the lyrics for Wolf and IGAB she had nothing to do with the actual structure/arrangement of the songs...as for as I know. So why people hating on her is beyond me. It says on M! Countdown that she wrote lyrics and composed the melody, then again they coulda swapped it and she wrote only lyrics and took part in some of the melody writing/adapting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhMin 5,245 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5Ckc5HiFso Was this a thing Beyonce did at one point? I remember someone else going for a harmonic minor scale acapella. BUT DON'T YOU GUYS JUST LOVE HER HARMONIC MINOR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhMin 5,245 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Love that performance^^ I'm still trying to memorize Scales and keys and such. are you able to do that off the top of your head or do you need a reference? When I sing I have no idea of keys and such I just know when I'm on key and off it. I needed to look up the notes she was singing and then put them down, I was like okay so she sang Bb A G F# Eb and D... it sounds arabic so it must be a harmonic minor scale, so I just had to figure out which tonic would give me 1 2 flat 3 4 5 flat 6 7 8, which is the harmonic minor formula and that G so I was like oh G harmonic minor. So I'm not sure if that's a yes or a no.. lol I suppose I don't need reference to memorize keys since I'm comfortable with music theory.. and yeah being able to hear if you're on or off key doesn't really require music theory knowledge, it's more of ear training, so it's good if you can hear it! ^ ^ Keys are quite simple I find, getting into chord progression is what's annoying and just guitarists shud do it and pianists, not vocalists. LOL Loved it. Didn't really fit the rest of the song, though? The harmonic minor always gives that snake charmer feeling LOL, especially the way she did it. mmm thank you~ is his placement better before or after? well I didnt listen to the rest, I don't think she was singing in harmonic minor throughout the whole song, just the intro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhMin 5,245 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 she didn't. I meant that she only did that a capella part in harmonic minor, but when she got into the rest of the song, having that part at the beginning didn't really fit. simply listening to the scales (and playing them if you can) helps you memorize them. Like listen to a natural minor scale and then harmonic minor scale (and melodic, if you want) and see if you can tell the difference. Harmonic has a raised 7 from a natural minor scale. Natural minor has a lowered 3, 6, 7 from a major scale. but knowing chord progressions is nice for improvisations and stuff~ but it was cool. lol harmonic minor is easy to tell I think~ since it sounds arabic~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhMin 5,245 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 yeah it was :p which is why I like it anyways. Yeah lol, but I find all the scales easy to tell apart. Except melodic when it's in a piece. Depends if it's melodic in classical or contemporary, as far as Ik the scale shud stay the same in contemporary whereas classical it shud go come up melodic and descend natural, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhMin 5,245 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Jesus christ the beginning of that Ailee performance is so Beyonce...Beyonce has something extremely similar to that Voice of Our Generation video. IKR. BEYONCE DID A HARMONIC MINOR SOMEWHERE. I think it was either during dangerously in love or baby boy.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhMin 5,245 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laZnr_G_5sk around 4 minute mark? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhMin 5,245 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 In melodic minor, ascending, you lower the 3rd degree only, descending, it's natural, so 3rd, 6th, 7th degrees are lowered. I don't know what it is in contemporary lol, I only play classical :p mm I've definitely heard Beyonce do it... like in one of those compilation videos. I remember how it sounds. yeah that :3 but in contemporary its the same up and down... or so I heard tbh the only harmonic minor song Ik is ...Baby One More Time ^ Why are you still here ? lol <3 Industry alway determine what is popular, and popularity does you got follower. People will look what kind of song you can handle if you are keen on singing. In real pop vocal lesson, any technique is good provide you don't hurt yourself. "Support note, open throat, belt" is one of the technique and you can't judge a person vocal on these alone. If you already keen on vocal, you will want to learn more type of vocal. k 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhMin 5,245 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Lol, I love how she saying Damn XD I thought she was singing "dan" from dangerously.. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhMin 5,245 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 She might...sounds like Damn to me. "Damn I can sing." *snap* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhMin 5,245 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3vI1ZV8miI Yeah and 6:40 oh yeah! it is more like this one actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhMin 5,245 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Has SoHyang covered anything by Beyonce ? I've only heard her sings songs by Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey..and y'know artist I don't know. too pop/current for her. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhMin 5,245 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 I can see her doing Listen only... not Halo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhMin 5,245 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 It's not done^ there are some people who will be scratched off. Yeah like a lot, just take a listen and decide if they are vocally relevant, like many lead vocalists are not lol but yeah do add wheesung and boohwal's vocalist and lee hyun <3 and then scratch off some of those leads.. lol I think she has done F6 or F#6 as well. I'm not sure though. I think it was not sung Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhMin 5,245 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Yeah. Like I think Chunji is better than Niel in Teen Top. But Niel's the main vocalist. I'm not sure actually LOL Exclamation? well that could be looked into. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhMin 5,245 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 You only got one type of vocal to show. This tread is totally bias on one kind of vocal technique and no ground for imposing standard/rating. I won't disagree that there's a lack of understanding since Classical > anything else according to some of the people here, ignoring certain aspects of singing that other training go into. BUT. The only point is that singing should always be healthy and produce the best sound possible, so as long as you're very healthy and you sound amazing, which most here perceive as resonance, then what's wrong? ^ ^ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhMin 5,245 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Well..... In the end, this thread point to one type of vocal technique and only acknowledge that is the only healthy way of singing. Only with that tone is "resonating". Nasal/Nose singing out, Head voice out, even Bada way of singing is out. The reason none of you guys can sing that kind of technique without getting hurt. Mind you other good vocal is Ali, she is a professor in one of the Korea university. She don't sing what you guy describe and win a lot of IS2 competition. Please read what Chung said bout resonance in singing specifically. Yknow I did mention it, but I'm curious as to what you call other ways of singing of singing healthily...could you enlighten us? Oh and btw. Nobody said Bada was out, they just said she can be very nasal Classical - Healthiest technique. Resonance - happens because of culmination of good techniques i.e healthy. Ignoring aspects? You mean expressiveness? This is a thread about vocalists not singers. We do not discuss how good their expressions are. We discuss how healthy they are singing. Classical - healthiest, therefore it's given priority over techniques like CVI, SLS, etc. Eh I didn't mean expressiveness, just that support doesn't really explain what's actually going on inside your larynx and how the muscles and cartilages stretching the vocal cords to produce desired pitches really happens... that's all. And kongwee said smth against resonance so I just mentioned that well, if u dont wanna be resonant, dunno why. u dont have to be, but u dont have to be in order to be healthy, so at least we can agree that yeah to be healthy, u dont need to be resonant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhMin 5,245 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Now you put in vocal in front of resonance. Best still, you got head resonance, nasal resonance, chest resonance....so on and so for. Don't tell me you never heard such term through out your vocal career. Stop being close minded. Nasal resonance might just be mask resonance... unless u do mean nasal, which yknow. its not pretty but if u like it, its not gonna damage ur cords, now the other ones.. yeah well ... mask resonance happens in mix, chest in chest and head in head. The singers usually resonate in those areas if they're supporting right... so...yeah we really do mean that resonance whenever we say that word so i dunno why u r complaining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhMin 5,245 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 ohhh...mask resonance is for mixed voice only ic. But why do people say there is vibration around the nose? Is there any air going out the nose? it's not for mix only... you can resonate with your mix in your chest and in your mask at the same time, or in the head only.... also you can resonate with head voice in your mask and in more than one place at the same time...usually you have mask and chest and mask and head happening at the same time..... its just that generally a belted resonant note is mostly mask resonant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhMin 5,245 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 thanks! So is Sohyang's C6 belt mask resonant? Is there any chest or head resonance with that note? I think.. Sohyang's C6 is head placed so I mean there could be a bit of mask resonance but it'd be mostly head resonant... it's hard to have head resonance with mix... I can't enlighten you guys why other vocal technique don't hurt. It is impossible to type it. It is not like you watch Mariah Carey clip and you know how is being done and sing like her. You need a vocal instructor to guide you. Ah Min I remember you said you are learning SLS. Do you think you could see all the SLS video materials and able to practice on your own? I'm pretty sure you will get hurt by yourselves.This is why I can't explain. I say Bada way of singing refer to the clip post earlier. It don't consider nasal, the placement is not toward nose area. The feel is somewhere larynx and up. To produce that bright tone, I got hurt in throat. So I am not really sure what is it. Someone reply nasal and case closed. well mine is just mixed really not SLS only... and nobody said her being nasal was unhealthy, just that they didn't like it... her higher notes, are they unhealthy to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhMin 5,245 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Hmm...just to confirm the C6 is a belted mixed note right? So this mixed note can be achieved by head resonance? yes as chung said for sopranos above Eb5..lol I said before she never got hurt most of the time. Her throat remain healthy of cos. The room practice is obvious, but she don't repeat the same mistake. It is not nasal, if you listen to Soyeon. Just become you don't know how it is done, don't label it nasal. Eh ok. you didn't answer my park bom question.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhMin 5,245 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 oh ok lol, I was so stiff in thinking I thought head resonance is for head voice only lolol. Anyway, isn't it pretty late now at where you live? it is but im in one of those nights.. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhMin 5,245 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Other than room practice, not a big issue. The F5 is just untrained. .....and this ends the whole point of a discussion~ bye bye~ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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