sarahh 2,288 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Ah well thanks for answering anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VT Evil Queen 4,273 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Ah well thanks for answering anyways Sorry I couldn't be of much help :/ I do wish 2ne1 would have a Decent performance one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhMin 5,245 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Why wouldn't they? Their larynx still maintains stable. However they are off key so regardless it'd still sound bad... ^It's a slim chance of people resonating in an offkey note. Pitch problems are also related to support, so I do not think they are gonna resonate. Actually not slim. Pitch has some things to do with support, Josias is right. The only way you can go sharp is by excess of air pressure against the vocal cords, causing the pitch they're producing to go sharp, if it's not too much though, you can still retain a resonant sound... same for going flat, you can still be resonant even if you're flat, flat isn't always a support thing, it can also be muscle memory. Your vocal cords are used to hitting the note under pitch so even if it's comfortable for you, if you're not sensitive to it, you'll always hit it under pitch even if it's free and relaxed, unless you think about it and raise the pitch to be more centered. But still the pitch correcting mics thing is bs. lol does exo k/m's vocalists beat shinee's? if you compare onew, taemin and jonghyun against chen, kyungsoo, baekhyun and _________? feel free to push this question back on ur list of "to answers" i know it's hard not to roll your eyes so far back and into your skull and into infinity. :( as far as I remember EXO goes smth like D.O. > Chen > Lay(?) > Baekhyun > Luhan or smth like that, in that scale, onew would be like around the Chen/Lay area, whereas Jonghyun and Taemin would be above D.O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarahh 2,288 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Sorry I couldn't be of much help :/ I do wish 2ne1 would have a Decent performance one day. It's ok. So even predebut Bom and Minzy haven't done anything decent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kr4M 627 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 I'm really curious how is B1A4 in terms of vocal....gonna post this recent cover...can you tell me..thanks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKesjLPawRg&feature=player_embedded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VT Evil Queen 4,273 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 It's ok. So even predebut Bom and Minzy haven't done anything decent? Oh, no, not at all. But just think about it, isn't it kind of sad for someone to be better before debut than after ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarahh 2,288 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Oh, no, not at all. But just think about it, isn't it kind of sad for someone to be better before debut than after ? Yeah I know I really liked Bom's predebut voice but it's kinda gone downhill. One last question, who's better: predebut Bom or Minzy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VT Evil Queen 4,273 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Yeah I know I really liked Bom's predebut voice but it's kinda gone downhill. One last question, who's better: predebut Bom or Minzy? Well, Bom has been terrible from the start..you can't get much worse than her..so Minzy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chungie 1,215 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Actually not slim. Pitch has some things to do with support, Josias is right. The only way you can go sharp is by excess of air pressure against the vocal cords, causing the pitch they're producing to go sharp, if it's not too much though, you can still retain a resonant sound... same for going flat, you can still be resonant even if you're flat, flat isn't always a support thing, it can also be muscle memory. Your vocal cords are used to hitting the note under pitch so even if it's comfortable for you, if you're not sensitive to it, you'll always hit it under pitch even if it's free and relaxed, unless you think about it and raise the pitch to be more centered. But still the pitch correcting mics thing is bs. lol Lemme rephrase: Some pitch problems are related to improper support. Improper support means no resonance. Pitch problems means no resonance. Ofc I know, it also has to do with bad hearing and muscle memories. But in Kpop especially, pitch problems are mainly due to support problems and bad hearing, therefore they are not gonna resonate. Whitney was a brilliant vocalist, using her as an example is kinda moot to the point here. I'd like to hear someone from IS2 resonating while going offkey. Srsly we are talking about IS2 and Kpop here. Not world class vocalists. Anyway I do agree with Josias as well, but about IS2 idols... I do not agree, idols cannot resonate and be flat/sharp, they do not have it in them. Yeah it is. Because some of them still have intonation issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarahh 2,288 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Well, Bom has been terrible from the start..you can't get much worse than her..so Minzy. Really? I always thought she was kinda decent predebut and then it started getting worse over time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chungie 1,215 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Really? I always thought she was kinda decent predebut and then it started getting worse over time She was bad, pre-debut. Then she became horrible over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VT Evil Queen 4,273 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Really? I always thought she was kinda decent predebut and then it started getting worse over time No, Bom was bad even before debut, she just worse over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarahh 2,288 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Ah I see. Thanks for answering guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elolery 7,286 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Lemme rephrase: Some pitch problems are related to improper support. Improper support means no resonance. Pitch problems means no resonance. Ofc I know, it also has to do with bad hearing and muscle memories. But in Kpop especially, pitch problems are mainly due to support problems and bad hearing, therefore they are not gonna resonate. Whitney was a brilliant vocalist, using her as an example is kinda moot to the point here. I'd like to hear someone from IS2 resonating while going offkey. Srsly we are talking about IS2 and Kpop here. Not world class vocalists. Yeah it is. Because some of them still have intonation issues. Kim Tae Woo at 4:17. I think he resonated, then went off key (can't tell whether it's because he lost resonance), then pushed himself to resonate again. Would this be what you would use to prove your point? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqHT5qvbKW8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onehallyu#1NiceOppaKW 27,191 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Kim Tae Woo at 4:17. I think he resonated, then went off key (can't tell whether it's because he lost resonance), then pushed himself to resonate again. Would this be what you would use to prove your point? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqHT5qvbKW8 He "resonated", but he cannot sustain the pitch, he went flat holding the note. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chungie 1,215 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Kim Tae Woo at 4:17. I think he resonated, then went off key (can't tell whether it's because he lost resonance), then pushed himself to resonate again. Would this be what you would use to prove your point? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqHT5qvbKW8 Can't watch it. I've not watched videos in days now. My net is just so horrible 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhMin 5,245 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Kim Tae Woo at 4:17. I think he resonated, then went off key (can't tell whether it's because he lost resonance), then pushed himself to resonate again. Would this be what you would use to prove your point? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqHT5qvbKW8 he didnt go off key, he just went flat/under pitch, he was resonant at first and then lost some support then kinda brought it back up...that note was confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elolery 7,286 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 He "resonated", but he cannot sustain the pitch, he went flat holding the note. Yeah, you're right. Though it's about time you accepted that resonance is something as real as real can be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elolery 7,286 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 he didnt go off key, he just went flat/under pitch, he was resonant at first and then lost some support then kinda brought it back up...that note was confusing. oh dang. I thought being flat or sharp would constitute being offkey. I guess you have to be a whole semitone off to be called offkey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chungie 1,215 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 oh dang. I thought being flat or sharp would constitute being offkey. I guess you have to be a whole semitone off to be called offkey? No. Offkey would be when the note he hits is not in the key. Like singing F when trying to hit F# in G major is offkey whereas hitting E when trying to hit the F# in the same key is flat but not offkey. Also a slight pitch deviation is not considered offkey but rather flat or sharp, like hitting somewhere between F and F# is flat but not offkey. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onehallyu#1NiceOppaKW 27,191 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Yeah, you're right. Though it's about time you accepted that resonance is something as real as real can be. It is not I don't accept, I can blend into your context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messica 5,468 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Who's vocals do you guys prefer? Bada or Ock Joohyun Ock Joohyun was really good in her musicals, but Bada's performances in IS2 really give insight. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2AlZfh9UNJg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c1GtQM_JMQ I prefer Bada, but since you guys are better at determining who is better, I wanted to ask you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Crown 529 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Who's vocals do you guys prefer? Bada or Ock Joohyun Ock Joohyun was really good in her musicals, but Bada's performances in IS2 really give insight. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2AlZfh9UNJg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c1GtQM_JMQ I prefer Bada, but since you guys are better at determining who is better, I wanted to ask you guys. Ock Joohyun is better i think. I LOVE her head voice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onehallyu#1NiceOppaKW 27,191 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Who's vocals do you guys prefer? Bada or Ock Joohyun Ock Joohyun was really good in her musicals, but Bada's performances in IS2 really give insight. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2AlZfh9UNJg Depending on songs. I like this Bada clip cos her voice suit the favour of that song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messica 5,468 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Even though you tried to play with words it back, that list is still null and void, even if they were ranking on these people being singers they were probably doing it based on Emotions, which is 100% subjective, if they truly were ranking them on being singers they would do it based on musicianship, which Ailee would be #1. Honestly In that ranking, Hyorin shouldnt even be in top 5.Ailee, Bada and Ock Juyeon should be up there. I would keep Taeyyeon there as number 5 though (cos im biased). Raina shouldnt even be in top 10 cos Jessica and Gain are better than her, Heck I can believe Jessica isnt in that list. Bom, Gyuri and Taeyang shouldnt be in that list OMG. Luna and Sunye should be above Eunji. If niel is in that list, Taemin should too. the problems in this list is too damn high. Depending on songs. I like this Bada clip cos her voice suit the favour of that song. Also, How does Sohyang compare to them two? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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