Official Vocals thread (READ OP FIRST)

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

Here's Whitney's Bb4 that I promised. I should have done this sooner since it only took 2 minutes lol. 

 

audio source:

 

 

This surprised me a bit actually. Microphone boost aside, most of the energy is in the 6th harmonic. Not quite as low as possible, but still, dayum.

 

ugh whitney is my OG. her voice is so balanced from the lowest point to the highest.

 

queen of resonance.

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

I absolutely love Tiffany voice but it sounds idk closed to me? Her album used to be THAT for me, but now when I listen to her, the nasality and vocal fry she does is kinda off-putting.... I still love Fool and What Do I Do though

 

Yeah that's a good way to describe it, her voice does sound kinda closed sometimes. I think she squeezes her voice too much when she sings, but I also think that she's doing that intentionally. But that tension goes away when she sings in her comfort range, or in the lower part of her range. Her last line in "One Last Time" was beautiful tbh I don't know how well she did exactly, but the B3-A3-G3 sounded pretty solid to me

I don't like the vague term "balanced". What is that even supposed to mean?

 

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idk, I'm not an expert lol I was just speaking from a casual listener's perspective. 

to me that was just an adjective that came to mind and that fit with what I was trying to say :p

Edited August 5, 2017 by WinWin's Favourite Ge

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

Yes I'm pretty sure it's intentional, she wants to sound more pretty I guess but she always sings like this so I'm sure she's limited to this style of singing too. She's pretty much relaxed on low notes like G#3/A3 so the One Last Time ending doesn't surprise me. I wish she gets proper vocal training though, she has alot of potential T^T Hani too (her tone is bae)

 

hani's tone is beautiful

 

 

not too pushy and chesty, and not too light and heady

 

yeah, thats what i meant xD i just didnt know how to describe it lol 

 

 

Kevin92 asked about the national anthem performance G3s that got ignored. I'm fascinated by that specific note, though, so I tried to impersonate Tiffany to figure out why she has an airy quality when it's merely G3. She has a clear speaking voice that goes lower than that no prob. It's possible to create a hissing noise in your throat at 2 points above the glottis (vocal cords). I was toying with the possibility she uses a mild growl while singing. Just a thought I wasn't quite confident enough to share yet.

 

omg i totally forgot about that performance lol. i think she does squeeze her voice a bit when she sings, which creates tension that could be similar to a growl? not sure tho

 

 

 

 

also i made another thing (this song is so pretty and i really relate to this right now)

 

 

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

does anyone know why its harder to sing in piano than in forte? 

 

 

 

 

https://soundcloud.com/anthonykkokko/father-2017-08-06-804-pm

 

 

 

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

yeah maybe we should just divide everything into "stable" or "unstable" from now on, much easier lol

 

Singing in softer dynamics is an advanced skill and is one of the most difficult things to do in singing, especially in the upper part of the voice. It requires the ability to control the precise amount of chest voice/lower register activity in the coordination of the registers while keeping the breathing coordinated as well. Singing louder is done by increasing the chest voice/lower register participation in the coordination, and the softer you go, the less the chest voice participation is.

 

this is an example of an operatic tenor singing a diminuendo on a 15-second sustained C5 @ 2:33 - 2:50

 

 

Since it is a C5 from a proper opera singer and it is way past the passaggio, the bulk of the work is done by the upper register even though the chest voice/lower register is strongly engaged. So what's going here is that he starts off singing the phrase in a loud dynamic with both chest voice/lower register and upper register at a higher level of participation/activity, and then decreases the chest voice activity less and less in the C5, so the amount of upper register activity stays the same but the lower register/chest is decreasing, resulting in the C5 becoming softer and softer as he sustains it.

 

basically, dynamics are made up of varying amounts of chest/lower register and upper register activity in the coordination.

 

thank you for the detailed response Mr. CY

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

an actual exercise to practice your muscle development/coordination for softer dynamics would be to sing in a pure falsetto and learn to make it non-breathy. Yes, falsetto does not need to be breathy, it is still hollow and hooty but it does not need to be breathy. You can practice this on an OOH or EE vowel and sing up to C5 or beyond if you are truly able to, and then bring it as low as you can, into the middle of the third octave at least. It's very important that you practice this as low as you can and not just as high as you can, I don't think most people practice singing in falsetto/head voice as low as they can and that it is necessary. So at some point (or maybe you can already), you'll be developed enough to make more of what is described here as a "head voice" sound, except not just for high notes in the 5th octave, but in the 3rd and 4th octave as well. In the video I posted, the opera singer is doing that on lower pitches in the beginning parts of the video. So yup, if you want to strengthen this, just sit there and sing in a clear non-breathy OOH or EE ascending on every note up to C5 or higher if you can (though C5 is enough for this as a baritone unless you plan on using 5th octave notes for performance), and then descend down into the middle of the third octave at least. It is natural for the sound to become weaker as you go lower and stronger as you go higher.

 

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

 

thanks so much for the tips! i think i can make a "head voice" ish sound, but its just not developed enough. but im sure your exercises also help with that too.

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

You know I'm actually a Bass right? I only fake my voice, my range actually starts at F1.

 

Anyways lol I feel like a lot of Filipino singers try to fake bigger voices a lot. Literally a super low larynx is the to go method there. I feel like guys get mistyped a lot more than girls cause some of them(like some students at school) try to sound deeper cause they think it's not macho -_- Personally I'm a sucker for head dominant and light weight voices so I don't mind high voice faking( I even like it).

 

omg F1?! OMGGGG okay you're definitely a bass xD I consider myself a low baritone and the lowest I can go is B1, even with vocal fry

 

 

Seohyun's supported vocal range video

 

 

I love this! Thanks <3

 

Her C5 in "Stuff Like That There" gets me every time tbh. Queen :')

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

There should be a flip between your registers me a change in effort, tone and power( if your mix is heady or you use a weak falsetto it's more obvious with the transitions. Do you know Beyonces Halo? At the start of he song with remember those walls l built etc she uses chest and then in the Halo Halo chorus she's belting in mix. Then with the ooh ooh ooh parts near the end that's her voice. For me it feels like a flip like a change in gears. You should send a clip of you singing if you can't identify your registers. A good indicator that you're in mixed voice is if you're belting. A good way to find Head Voice is by singing ooh ooh.

 

The truth is l can't maintain tone below E3 and struggle for 100 years to hit my lowest note B2(some days l can't even hit C3). I know vocal fry is good for learning to connect chords but it can be damaging right?? Everytime l hear fry it sounds like the chords grinding together and l cry cause it sounds painful.

 

Is it possible to achieve a large sound as well using 80% Head resonance and 20% chest resonance? I know it would sound lacking in depth but I'm trying to find pathways for my voice stylistically in the future when l train train train since That's more my vocal style l prefer.

 

Are you sure you mean like... E3? Because E3 isn't that low, especially for a bass :o are you sure you don't mean E2? 

 

like, here's an example of my singing from A3-D4 :o 

 

 

 

 

 

also im not trying to promote myself or anything, but if youre interested in hearing my voice, i sing with a pretty airy style xD 

like in this cover i hit E4 a lot of times in the chorus, which is outside of my comfort range for belting, but its easy for me to phrase by making it super airy

 

 

Edited August 16, 2017 by WinWin's Favourite Ge

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

I'm sure he was joking about the bass thing I'm like 99% sure he's a tenor

 

lmao oops 

 

sorry, im bad at catching sarcasm lol

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

Ooh ok you don't actually sound that deep or dark for a baritone tbh, you don't sound like a low baritone to my ears at least. Your pitch is decent and good most of the time.I'm impressed by your Chinese btw, as a native speaker I can actually understand a lot of what you're singing and your tones aren't bad, do you take lessons?? Your vibrato was delayed at some moments like at 1:29 but I actually really like your vibrato and the tone of your voice, it soothes me. You aren't a chesty mixer. I like your back then cover a lot better cause in Lion heart at the start it almost sounds like you're trying to copy sooyoungs voice LOL. In lion heart you can clearly hear the transitions in your voice. The chorus was mix except for the tell me why and nae gata which were head. Do you hear the quality difference?? Could you feel the flip when you were singing that? I really like your voice :chu;

 

lol thanks baby! (wait should i call you baby, kbk, or babykbk lol) i guess im not a low baritone, just an untrained one :p (and pssst im actually chinese lol. but i speak canto mainly so my mandarin isnt perfect.) but thanks for listening to my covers ^^ yeahhh in back then i was deliberately trying to minimize the chest in my mix since i had to sing a lot of E4s xD but when i sing in a more medium range, im a lot chestier. in lion heart i wasnt trying to be sooyoung lol but i was trying to channel the playful tone of the song, so it might have been a bit excessive hehe. when i was younger, i didnt understand how to use head voice, so i was either using chest voice or falsetto, which made my singing really awkward because i couldnt make smooth transitions between the two, and  there was just that abrupt cut-off in the middle of my range. but as i got older, i started using head voice more and more, and now i think i lost the ability to use my falsetto D: i probably still can, but its been so unused that its hard for me to even access that "flip" in my voice anymore. so now when i sing high notes, i just use a heady mix instead :o (or maybe i dont, im still not good with technical terms lol)

Edited August 16, 2017 by WinWin's Favourite Ge

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

I'm Omg you can call me any of those but most people here call me babykbk. OMG you're canto ehdhfkeujsdusj I thought your tones were a bit

Too accurate for a foreigner. I sing with a super heady mix lol. I lost my falsetto as well but I heard it's normal when you learn Head Voice. It's better to use Head Voice since it's healthier so the ideal is to extend your head voice as high as possible..

 

LOL okk ill call you babykbk then xD and ill take that as a compliment hehe. oh okay you lost your falsetto too? im glad to know that im not the only one lol if it's normal for that to happen when you start using head voice, that's good then! the thing is, when i used to play around with my falsetto when i was a teenager, i could literally squeak a C#6 (my highest recorded note with falsetto is G#5). but with head voice the highest i can squeak is F5 lol. but keep in mind these are like... actual squeaks, and it hurts my voice to do it so i dont usually do that unless im at karaoke or im drunk or something. i can only go up to C#5 comfortably, but ofc its not supported lol. i think i can only go up to G4/G#4 using head voice with some support. 

 

wait so youre a tenor right? whats your range like lol

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

technically you are a lower one, just not the lowest. Your passaggi would be lower at Bb3/Eb4. Lower tenors/baritones do not necessarily need to be "dark", especially singing the way you are. You can be lower and have a relatively brighter timbre, though there is an incorrect assumption made by people that all lower voice types are just very dark and old sounding.

 

hmmmm true! actually i think you're right, i faintly remember having this conversation with someone here, a long time ago... i think it was drew (zhx). im not sure if you remember him :o i think he'd said something along the lines of me being a lower-ish baritone but with a lighter timbre. which explains why when i sing to people, they sometimes think im a tenor even if im singing in the third octave lol... also, i think youre right again, my passagi should be around Bb3/Eb4. Eb4 sounds about right since that's exactly the point where i feel like there's a change in the way i have to mix. as for the lower end, its kinda hard for me to tell but Bb3 sounds about right too. (wait were you one of the people here that's classicaly trained)

 

actually im kind of curious nowl. hmmm... lemme find some stuff with low notes... would you say my passagi could be A3?

 

 

 

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https://soundcloud.com/anthonykkokko/can-you-hear-me-2017-08-15-850-pm

 

 

 

Edited August 17, 2017 by WinWin's Favourite Ge

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

I've noticed the downvoting too but I've been liking posts to reverse this stuff. I'll help you Chinese N.... l mean CY hyung. CY what do you think of the baritenor voice type LMAO. I heard it being discussed online a lot by self proclaimed vocal experts and what's your passagio? I still haven't heard you sing DAMMIT(mainly cause I don't know how to find the vocal clips you posted).

LOOOL omg you're so cute

 

someone or maybe more than one person has been consistently downvoting me for whatever reason, and I don't care about that at all but if you think what I am saying is so wrong, just openly debate me on it here because that would be more useful than a downvote

 

no it's almost certainly at Bb3/Eb4, A3 is a bass-baritone's first passaggio.

Thanks CY!

Edited August 17, 2017 by WinWin's Favourite Ge

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

what in the world is her voice type?! 

 

could she... could she be just a really light contralto? i know its rare, but her voice sounds kinda different from a regular mezzo or full lyric lol

 

 

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

She doesn't have an androgynous voice at all though, it's not even a heavy voice. Imma be real honest and say she sounds like a soprano who sings light, a bit husky and that's it. I mean you've heard real contraltos, right? I mean listen to this.

 

 

 

I could be wrong and she could be a mezzo, but I really would put my money on soprano in a heartbeat. She is literally phrasing D5's and F5's, she isn't even singing low. 

Really? I have to listen to this again now.

 

Okay upon listening to it again I don't think she's an alto like I agreed with but... idk I think I'd want to hear her singing the lower parts by herself without the guys singing along because I think this is what confused me in the first place lol

 

God I really go back and forth between being overly sceptical of putting anyone in a lower category than soprano and then suddenly putting everyone into mezzo and giving some alto titles out lmao

 

 

yeahhh after listening to it again I don't think she's a contralto LOL i compared her to cher just to be sure and yeah.. lol she probably is just a soprano, but her voice doesnt really scream LLS to me either. maybe its because its so husky

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

Everyone please do yourselves a favour and take a few seconds to listen to Celine SLAY My Heart Will Go On for the 5,673,994th time in London.

 

 

Her last 15-second run from @4:21 to @4:36 is seriously breathtaking. Similar to what she did at the Billboard's, but longer, clearer, and just... even better. 

She also speaks and redirects her mic to the audience at one point in the last chorus, which surprisingly, convinced me that she was singing live.

 

She might not be the best vocalist technically, but the fact that she's been able to keep her technique consistent and for the most part healthy for close to 40 years of being in the business, is in my opinion, enough to make her worthy of comparison to the other divas she's grouped with. And I think Celine's head voice may be equal to or better than Mariah's even at Mariah's peak.

 

 

Edited August 24, 2017 by WinWin's Favourite Ge

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

Her all. By myself Eb5 at her recent performances also sound much better than some of her old ones Such as at the 1997 Grammy.

 

yasssss seriously, I think people often overlook consistency when evaluating vocal technique. i mean, when people talk about Mariah and Whitney, they often refer to their technique when they were at their respective peaks, but later on in their careers (for various reasons), they digressed quite a bit and developed some issues. I think Mariah may have resolved some of them (and RIP Whitney) but Celine has pretty much kept the same supported range for her whole career.

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

hey anthony, are you the one that rediscovered Sunny's Eb5 from her musical and posted it like 2 months ago ?

Hi Kevin~ wait do u mean like, posted in the thread? Umm maybe! Do u need it for her supported range at her best video? Lemme check

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

I think I'm slowly descending into a stressed madness with my current state. I haven't felt like this for a long time.

Like Bastian said I'm overthinking but idk how to stop.

Omg didi!!!!! Are you okay? What happened? Go check it out asap! Hope u get better soon!

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

 

 

best wishes <3

 

 

 

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so you and K are leaving because of "petty immature drama". This is probably directed at multiple people and it's pretty safe to say I'm one of them, but sometimes I wonder if you even know the full picture of what K did specifically and why I have an issue with it (which you obviously know started the whole tension between me and all you guys on the blog)because he likely left all the worse parts out to you, seeing as how it would make him look more wrong. There's a bit too much blame being thrown around and not enough owning up to personal mistakes.

 

 

also, who's K?

Edited August 28, 2017 by WinWin's Favourite Ge

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

https://onehallyu.com/user/85430-%EC%B9%BC%EB%A6%B4%EC%9D%B4/

Pandayeu, he introduced himself a long time ago when he replaced Aly )

 

 

hold up. i thought pandayeu WAS aly? i know she left but i didnt know someone replaced her role on the blog. i thought it was still her on the blog, especially since K and her type in a very similar way. i faintly recall asking K if he was Aly once, and i think he said no, but i guess i kind of forgot and kept getting confused because pandayeu or some derivative of that used to be her username, and they talk kinda the same. or am i just tripping???

 

anyways, bye K! xD wish u the best~

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

wait a minute. so where's Aly? that's all i wanna know lol

 

 

 

but Aly if you're reading this, i hope you're doing well too!

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

not sure if that would necessarily make her higher than Tae as she would still have the same issues of lack of resonance, and Tae has improved slightly since the chart was released while Wendy, if I'm not mistaken, hasn't. (I don't follow her the same way so I'm not sure) Although did she support B5s in the past? I'm not so sure if she really had head voice above Bb5 consistently before because I dunno of a supported B5/C6 aside from that one pre-debut vid. (again i dont follow and know her the same way so please correct me if I'm wrong) I actually would prefer it if that was just a lucky moment on that C6 and she never really had it up there because declining makes me sad 

 

I always thought Taeyeon was higher just because she's a lot more consistent when it comes to supporting and resonating in her middle voice, especially between C5-D5 :x I mean when it comes to C5s, C#5s, and D5s, Wendy can support them often but I don't think she resonates them very much :OOOO I guess also because Taeyeon has shown the ability to support Eb5 several times but Wendy never did (I think)?

Edited August 31, 2017 by WinWin's Favourite Ge

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

also id just like to share this moment of whitney's lol

 

 

@5:15 a sustained resonant F#5? did she achieve "the ring" ont hat F#5???

 

 

Edited August 31, 2017 by WinWin's Favourite Ge

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

Well, yeah, kind of. But the thing is, it's not about Taeyeon occasionally supporting Eb5s since that thing is inconsistent and shouldn't really be accounted for. It's like saying Yuju is the best GG vocalist just because she's resonated an F5 and had some (I think) supported Eb5s.

 

Of course, Taeyeon's case is way more consistent than Yuju's but still, an occasional occurrence should not be taken into account, I think. And it's not the fact that Taeyeon resonates more often in the C5~D5 range. It's that Wendy barely resonates AT ALL. We can safely say that her resonance is pretty occasional. In her mixed voice, I can only think about, like, 2/3 times she resonated and her resonance is small. Same goes with her head voice resonance though that's a bit more consistent.

 

Yeah I understand where you're coming from. But at the same time, I have to say, Taeyeon has shown the ability to support Eb5 since 2013 and the frequency of her supported Eb5s has been increasing over the years. So although she hasn't done it consistently, and it isn't exactly a significant factor when it comes to comparisons with Wendy, I do think that it's something to consider.

 

And oh okay LOL I was trying to be conservative because I don't follow Wendy closely, and I didn't want to say "I never heard Wendy resonate C5-D5 before" because I just knew someone was going to throw reciepts at me xD but honestly, I haven't heard Wendy resonate in that range before, and from what I've heard, it is pretty inconsistent, especially since sometimes she gets reaaaaally heady there.