BabyKBK 1,657 Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 OMG can pls give parkhyolee noona likes!!!! I accidentally clicked downvote when I was trying to upvote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyKBK 1,657 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 (edited) Here is the video guys! Your F#4s gave me life and made me cry a bit. When will l ever get such projection and openness in any part of my voice? Edited July 29, 2017 by BabyKBK 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyKBK 1,657 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 OMG I just hit notes in the F#5-B5 range when I was doing a slide into whistle OMG I'm crying did I finally unlock my Range I can't breathe someone hold me down also new whistle high note B6! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyKBK 1,657 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 (edited) dramatic.I was crying and had to hold back my screams and wails of excitement to prevent vocal damage. The struggle and happiness l know this isn't that big of a deal but l feel like I won a Grammy tonight cause l lm moving forward. I want to thank my family, the members of the vocal thread and kpop vocal analysis as well as my group mates in idOHLs. Edited July 30, 2017 by BabyKBK 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyKBK 1,657 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 (edited) I'll answer the HV questions a bit later, it'll take more than a few words probably and I don't have time atm lol yo BabyKBK, I'm really happy for you..and IMMA LET YOU FINISH BUT CHEST VOICE HAS ONE OF THE GREATEST IMPORTANCES OF ALL TAHM ...but srsly do u even know what reference that is I mean you were like 10 when it happened Thank you so much hyung l was 9 since I'm a 2000 liner hehe. I know it's the VMAs cause l follow Beyoncé and appreciate her vocals very much. I feel like my mix and head are improving lately especially since now C5/C#5 is relatively relaxed now with much better stability and comfort in my overall mix. But I can no longer hit a B2 or C3 these past weeks and my range below G3 is starting to require more low larynx so my chest might be regressing a bit. I'll work on it more tho otherwise l'll regress to the point where l can't sing below E3 like a few months ago which is tragic for a tenor. I think my chest has gotten brighter in placement tho. Does anyone else here drag their first passagio down a lot lol?? I've been dragging my mix down very early so my first passagio is at D#4/E4 but naturally it's probably a F4. I drag my head voice down a lot too, mabye even more so than my mix. Edited July 30, 2017 by BabyKBK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyKBK 1,657 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 (edited) >FIRST passagio F4 Are you sure about that? Sent from my LG-D852 using OneHallyu mobile app Yas I'm quite sure it's around there.I can sing E4 chest voice without problems at least. If I sing a E4 in mix it's noticeable that the sound is airier and softer than the rest of my mix since it naturally shouldn't go that low but sometimes i drag it down so l can sound brighter and lighter. What's your voice type and passagios hyung? Edited July 30, 2017 by BabyKBK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyKBK 1,657 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 (edited) A tenor's passagi are strictly at C#4 and F#4 or C4 and F4 tho. Having ease with what you'd assume is chest voice up to at least E4 just makes it sound like a second passagio to me cause it's the second passagio where there's that bigger change in intensity /effort compared to the first one. If your first passagio was really F4, you'd have no huge change in intensity until like Bb4/B4ish and you wouldn't be a tenor lol Sent from my LG-D852 using OneHallyu mobile app OK mabye my first passagio is more E4 lol I'm definetly 100% sure it's chest because my mix has a very distinctive quality. But a tenorino has a first passagio at F4. My goal is to be trained as a countertenor. Edited July 30, 2017 by BabyKBK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyKBK 1,657 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Don't trust online websites and what they say about passagi lol. I don't know if Tenorino is a real thing or not, but even the smallest/highest tenors fit into C#4 and F#4. If they classify higher than that, they aren't a tenor and have endocrinal/hormonal/voice development issues. Countertenor appears to be more of a way of training /role than an actual voice type unless we want to lump every hormonally imbalanced individual as a countertenor but that would be a huge lumping. You could still develop your head voice to sing like a counter tenor, but you'd need to do the same thing every other classical voice does anyway and have a strong chest voice to coordinate into a strong falsetto for a strong head voice lol Sent from my LG-D852 using OneHallyu mobile app Mabye I will send a clip of me talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyKBK 1,657 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Most traditional countertenors are baritones with an exceptionally well developed and controlled falsetto. The practice came from wanting to create voices similar to Castrati (castrated male singers) since the actual practice was outlawed. I think the last castrato died in like 1923. But unless you have an actual hormonal imbalance of some kind, your first passagi as a male shouldn't be F4. Like that's my first passagio, and I am a woman. I know that you are young - have you mostly finished puberty yet? That could, theoretically, play into this. I have finished puberty yes. My speaking voice is ambiguous to most people, it didn't change as much as most people during puberty. I don't mind a hormonal balance tbh, as long as I have ease in a high range. I would be devastated if I was a baritone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyKBK 1,657 Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 (edited) baritones are great, wydOfc they are great but for me since I like to play in the G4-C#5 range and I like to whistle I feel like being a baritone would limit me. Also I'm not sure how I would be able to handle the darkness and weight of a baritone. Listen to Response by Andre C. #np on #SoundCloudhttps://soundcloud.com/andrecee/response sending a clip of you singing with lots of depth and chest voice coordinated into your singing would give a clearer idea of a person's voice type than speaking voice for reasons stated above Sent from my LG-D852 using OneHallyu mobile app Omg. I don't think I've ever sung with lots of chest depth in my entire life. For me once I hit a certain point of depth and super chest coordination in any part of my voice I can become SUPER unstable, lots of strain and even start cracking. Mabye I can send a clip of chest coordination and depth when I develop it more cause rn it would be a disaster and a half. Edited July 30, 2017 by BabyKBK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyKBK 1,657 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=660pAgcYxso Someone is trying to convince people that Jihyo and Yuju are equal and that Jihyo produces resonance Username is ivanchu0509 he/she replied to nochu mochi Just ignore them lol. There's too many people who try to say troll things to fit their own motive and exaggerate their faves through the use of vocal hyperboles. Kinda like how some Ariana fans claim she has resonance and ease in the D5-G5 range.... I think we all know Yuju is more vocally competent. Edited July 31, 2017 by BabyKBK 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyKBK 1,657 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) I badly want to reply just so I can put him in his place but I'm not that familiar with Yuju. Yuju' been talked about quite a lot here. She consistently supports and has resonance up to C#5 but above that she becomes inconsistent. She has one resonant F5 but hasn't produced anything like that again. She's basically just super inconsistent but she's at least above average or above average-competent. She's better than the Mamamoo vocalists but mabye under Wendy due to her inconsistency. Edited July 31, 2017 by BabyKBK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyKBK 1,657 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Oh, I actually meant Jihyo I'm quite familiar with Yuju. Jihyo has also been discussed before. She has support up till Bb4 but she can get very yelly due to her chesty mixed voice. She's average, in the same league as Seulgi roughly. Jihyo definetly isn't terrible like some people claim, she's better than all of blackpink in contrary to popular belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyKBK 1,657 Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 (edited) So does HAN HONG OMG yas Han Hong!!!! Are you Chinese btw not many people know about her outside of China unfortunately. I know this thread mainly discusses kpop artists but since I saw you mention Han hong, are you any familiar with her technique? Secretly hoping she was discussed here before (PS if anyone has discussed any Chinese artists here pls tell me) Edited August 2, 2017 by BabyKBK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyKBK 1,657 Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 (edited) True! But hey are you saying Ariana is vocally incompetent? Just curious and interested! No I'm not saying Ariana is bad lol. She's just not as good as some of her fans claim to be. From what was discussed here she can mix quite high but she has a bad high larynx habit and bad enunciation among other things. Edited August 2, 2017 by BabyKBK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyKBK 1,657 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) Yeah, it's true that Ariana can mostly support 4 octaves but I definitely don't agree with the rest... Mediocre? Below average? LIMITED RANGE? Come on dude... Because even people who are not fans of Ariana have no shame admitting her vocals are insane. It has nothing to do with hyping her up, the raw talent in her voice is blatantly obvious. I totally agree that she has some bad vocal habits (enunciation, high larynx, breath control) but that's all 2014 business. She herself said that she's been working on the things mentioned above for a long time. Since then her enunciation improved greatly and recently she's been working on her lower register rather than high. The recent song "Quit" by cashmere cat ft ari is especially a good example of how far she's come since. I reckon she'll only improve if thats even possible already. And tbh I would go get yourself in an ariana grande hole on youtube, even for them classical elitists, a bitch is talented af and not overrated in the vocals category-- any range you can give that broadway-trained girl to sing. She can sing it. I think you might have had a typo with the Ariana can mostly support 4 octaves... definetly not..... Ariana's upper mix is achieved by a very high larynx and strain, they aren't amazing... It was discussed here that Ariana hasn't been consistent in resonance for a while now and she might of had some REGRESSION from her younger days. She's definetly not good by classical standards. Most important thing is:JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN SING HIGH DOESNT MEAN YOURE AMAZING. YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT YOUR RANGE. A 2 OCTAVE SUPPORTED RANGE IS BETTER THAN A 4 OCTAVE UNSUPPORTED RANGE. I can sing up to B6 but my support is tragic. Edited August 3, 2017 by BabyKBK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyKBK 1,657 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) Hey guys i have another whistle register update. I produced a A#6 in the video below and l feel like i sound less airy? if that makes sense. RN i can probably sustain F#6 but beyond that it like gets a bit crazy and just keeps sliding up and up and it goes out of control frequently. It can also get very pitchy above F#6 but i think its getting better. Mabye if i develop my upper register more l will hit a C7. https://soundcloud.com/babykbk/video-1501735720 Edited August 3, 2017 by BabyKBK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyKBK 1,657 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) But... why tho. Are you just trying to hit high notes for sport, or do you think there's musical value in it...? Well ok mabye I won't try to do C7 lol I really only hit my B6(current highest note for me) by accident cause above F#6 my voice just keeps wanting to slide up and up. So I was predicting mabye once I have some notes above F#6 less wild the crazy sliding thing will just go higher LOL. But I do think whistles when used effectively have musical value and can add interesting highlights for some songs such as Emotions. I dont want to misuse whistles badly like Georgia brown cough cough, mabye just once or twice every now and then. Ideally tho I would hope to replace my lower whistle register with a head voice since I want to train as a countertenor and head voice is much healthier. I definetly don't consider whistling a sport and let's be honest, as a tenor I spend my time in the 4th octave most of the time. I'm aware of the dangers of over singing in whistle so I literally only ever sing in it for like 5min a day MAX and never use it during the morning, night , outside or when I have a cold. I only use it when I'm in my optimum condition every 2nd day or so and I very rarely try to sustain whistles. It's mainly just very quick slides or staccatos. I always drink lots of water before and after whistling and don't talk for at least a hour after I whistle even if I only do one note. After all I want to keep my voice in optimum condition FOREVER as much as I can. Edited August 3, 2017 by BabyKBK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyKBK 1,657 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 I know she's singing like this for stylistic purposes but hmm this is not cute I'm used to this from her cause of Orange Caramel She's so much better when she's not using that forced aegyo voice. I wonder if some companies force aegyo or specific voices onto singers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyKBK 1,657 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) She sounded like Nana at 1:38, it caught me off guard when I heard it I hear it oh pls no. Tbh tho I am guilty of aegyo voice from time to time. I did an entire cover of signal in aegyo. I enjoy bright placements so much. Edited August 3, 2017 by BabyKBK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyKBK 1,657 Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 i mean there's a mechanism like when you go nasal on purpose Is it weird that my voice connects more when I be more nasal? I think I'm crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyKBK 1,657 Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 (edited) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiScySitwzE i think this is the only new notes from the album, Tiffany hit C#6 at 2:59. why im saying its Tiffany because she's doing the adlibs before at 2:48, and the sounds is different with Taeyeon and Seo (they have C6s in new song Holiday) edit: after listening to it again idk it maybe Seohyun... not sure anymore lol I'm not sure either but probably Tiff. I'm mad that they don't use Sunny enough for her head voice since she supports it up to F#5/G5, even better than Taeyeon. I like Tiff's voice on this album a lot more than on Lion Heart tho. Edited August 4, 2017 by BabyKBK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyKBK 1,657 Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 (edited) idk why but ever since Taeyeon debut they been giving high head voice to at least 1 song in album, before none of the song barely go above F#5/G5. example is Taeyeon Bb5 in UR, B5 fine, Tiffany C6s in IJWD, Seohyun debut album also have A5, now Seo & Tae C6s in holiday, and that C#6 even though i know none of these girls support. yeah but sadly no sunny for the high notes tho Tbh I don't really like the sound of an unconnected head voice that much... but at least it seems like Tiff's head voice is improving. Some of the head voice notes I find really unnecessary musically. I feel like SM underestimates sunny or purposely gives her easier lines cause her voice is more "cute" and doesn't sound as "loud or weighty"as Tiffany despite having similar skill levels, and obviously Tae and Seo have much better technique. Edited August 4, 2017 by BabyKBK 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyKBK 1,657 Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 (edited) You say right here that people may or may not feel certain sensations, yet vocalize the same way, which makes sense. C.Y. has said before he doesn't think he's ever felt those chest vibrations, but we all have heard his singing before lol. If you do feel these sensations, then cool, but what matters at the end of the day is what comes out of your mouth because, as you said, forcing yourself to feel certain sensations may end up making you develop tension/bad habits Sent from my LG-D852 using OneHallyu mobile app Can someone pls link me CYs voice? I want to hear pls idek if CY is a guy or girl. I hope I feel more sensations in my mask, I feel a lot of sound in my nose a lot of the time, I even place my head voice in my nose sometimes. A daily struggle. Edited August 4, 2017 by BabyKBK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyKBK 1,657 Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 (edited) it's really dark and deep, he's a guy btw So he's a baritone?? Also is he older than me? I'm 00 liner.I've never met a bass in real life. Does anyone else here have a similar voice to their family members? I kinda have the same timbre as my mom and everyone in my family are high sopranos and tenors. Grandpa-Tenor, Dad-Tenor, Me-Tenor, brother-tenor. Grandma-Soprano,Mom-soprano, aunt-Soprano. I heard that my great grandpa and grandma had naturally high and bright voices as well. I'm aware biologically it's natural for a higher frequency of vocal resemblance to your family members but I'm curious how frequent this is. Edited August 4, 2017 by BabyKBK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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