Official Vocals thread (READ OP FIRST)

[himi]

idk if someone posted this before but i found this

 

that G#4 sounds nice 6:46

Edited December 12, 2020 by himi

[himi]

25 minutes ago, sergel said:

I hadn't thought of it until you said it, but there doesn't seem to be many male idols in 4th gen yet known for their vocals, but then again I don't know how many 3rd gen guys were known for their vocals at the start other than EXO maybe?

there's a few decent vocalists like nct's taeil and doyoung, winner's yoon, seventeen's seungkwan, kim jaehwan, got7 youngjae, pentagon jinho but yes they don't stand out as much as exo. it's a pretty big gap too lol

Edited December 14, 2020 by himi

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52 minutes ago, ZRH23 said:

And also Jung Seunghwan. Seunghwan and Seunghwan's gap with EXO isn't large at all actually lol. Except maybe Chen, but they're all pretty close in their mixed range. The rest are behind yeah but NCT aren't too far either. 

ooo i forgot about jung seunghwan but then again i don't consider him an idol so yeah 3rd gen idols are very far behind from exo apart from nct and seungkwan. oh yeah i forgot to exclude seungkwan. he's really good lol

Edited December 14, 2020 by himi

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6 hours ago, sergel said:

This Jung Seunghwan?

 

yup!

[himi]

28 minutes ago, Nana686 said:

Just a general question  if we include all the current active boy groups and taking into consideration vocal technique [ BTS - Ateez - TXT - Monsta X - starykids - treasure - Got7 - Cravity - the boyz - SF9 - IKON - Seventeen - Nu'est - DAY6 - Astro - CIX - ONEUS -VERIVERY...] doesn't NCT127 has the strongest vocal line after super junior , EXO and BtoB even if Haechan and jungwoo are shallow ? 

well there's Shinee. Onew is really up there. Taemin used to be too but I heard he regressed over the years though idk to how extent.  but yeah nct 127 is up there. i would say as a group they're kinda like a slightly weaker version of mamamoo. they don't have a member who really stands out among other vocalists. but as a group they have a solid vocal line (doyoung, taeil, jaehyun)

Edited December 17, 2020 by himi

[himi]

On 12/18/2020 at 10:42 PM, LoonAespa said:

Eunji sweetie I'm so sorry

I'm sorry but don't they have ears lol that was so paiful to listen to when she went higher-

 

and i even agree she made Arin sound better

[himi]

so nct had a concert today. i checked out a few performances

i think this is the first time doyoung hit that Bb4 2:56 live. Usually he only lip-sync that part for some reason. Jungwoo sounds shallow to me? idk

 

the performed the same version as they did at mama but longer. doyoung's G#4 is nice here too. taeil sounds kinda sound the same as he did in mama but a bit more open at the bridge i think

2:52 tight Bb4. Doyoung's Bb4 in Boss sounds more open.

taeil's best attempt of kick it so far 2:50

 

skip the i.o.u they have kun perform without you. cute. also there's quite a difference taeil singing this song now and back in 2016. especially 6:26

2:44

Edited December 27, 2020 by himi

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7 hours ago, BAZISSINO said:

@1:48 that a very shallow approach on a D4 for a tenor ...this is not the first time we hear Kun on without you we had him the first time the Chinese ver was promoted @3:51 doyoung is losing his pitch there on the C#4 and D4 too OH they have kun singing in korean with them emmm he's struggling  throughout his line @4:21 taeil is tired too Flat D4 there @5:00 too high for jaehyun to handle F#4 yet even the E4 at the end wasn't supported @5:12 our tight king get extra tight when he's tired we already know that lol @6:08 jaehyun D4s carry support 

wait i am today's old that i learned without you has a chinse version and kun was in it lmao.

 

also if i'm not wrong kick it and without you were some of the last songs they performed. guess why everyone sounded extra tired there especially taeil

 

Edited December 28, 2020 by himi

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2 hours ago, BabyKBK said:

Nayul is certainly better than current Yuju at least in mix. Seunghee is also better than Sejeong and probably Monday and Yeachan (haven’t heard much from those to be 100%). Jihyo is better than Yuri. I have no idea on Haena but I know she’s a nice Full Lyric Soprano who falls somewhere around AA according to the vocal blog criteria. I don’t follow Aespa so I also have no idea on Ning Ning. 

 

42 minutes ago, ZRH23 said:

Nayul's mix is far better than Yuju's and is overall the stronger vocalist for sure. Yuju's other registers are not enough to cover it up. 

I'd say Yeachan and Seunghee are around the same though. Yeachan has a better lower range, and her support in the midrange is also generally more solid till C5 compared to Seunghee, but Seunghee has more consistent placement and openness. I'm not sure how consistent Haena is, @BAZISSINO? 

I am unclear as to how consistent Monday is with her C5s and low notes. Same with Sejeong. I'd say those two are around the same level. Sejeong haa a better head voice while Monday has a better lower register. 

The others I agree with @BabyKBK.

I'd say Yonghoon is better than Jaehwan. His mix is more relaxed and has better placement (till G4 anyways), his lower notes are more developed till C3 or so, and  his head voice is consistent too. 

Jaehyun should be a bit better than DK and Xiaojun, at least in mix. Don't leave out Jung Seunghwan, who's the same level as Seungkwan. Cravity's Woobin is just slightly under DK/Xiaojun and Seoho also lower than Woobin. 

also to add i think doyoung is the same level as taeil. doyoung has better consistency and generally healthier midrange but taeil has a considerably better lower range. I think Doyoung has Eb3/E3? and Taeil around C#3/D3

and seunghee also has a better upper register too. idk if i ever heard yeachan supports her headvoice but i might be wrong

Edited December 29, 2020 by himi

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1 minute ago, ZRH23 said:

Doyoung's cleaner approach in his mix isn't the only factor. He also generally has a lot less problems than Taeil even in his midrange. He's not as nasal, he's not tight and is more relaxed overall, even up to Bb4. I'm not sure about Taeil's lower range, I've never heard enough consistency from him to make it a strength tbh. But even if his lower range is consistent till C#3, I'd still say Doyoung is a more reliable vocalists. Unless Taeil shows better moments down there.

Yeachan also supports her head voice consistently, perhaps a bit stronger than Seunghee.

Ooo i didn't know that. Do you have any clips of Yeachan supporting her head voice?

[himi]

9 hours ago, ZRH23 said:

Yup! Here's a cover from I've heard recently that's quite good.

The choruses throughout has some head voice moments, she's switching between her chest voice and head voice. It's on the airy side but has support. She sounds quite nice in this cover. @2.29, some phrased C#5s carried support. @2.35, the D5 was nice and the sustained C#5 is supported enough. She's doing great. @2.47, C5 on a closed vowel is well supported. @2.52, this C#5 is too spread out and has tension. @2.55, nice E5s and phrased F#5 in head voice, this is the best head voice note I've heard from her so far lol. It's got nice connection. Some of the C#5s after that have support but carried tension as well.

thanks! that E5 and F#5 sounded really nice. i would say she's slightly above seunghee given that her head voice sounds fuller. and i don't think seunghee ever showed support above C5 too

 

50 minutes ago, BAZISSINO said:

No taeil only have some support on his D3s and he doesn't sing that low often all the C#3s i heard on that Vietnamese facebook page are unsupported , currently i would put taeil lower than doyoung even in the same category taeil has more issues even in the mid range . i also don't get why people think seunghee has that much of a proper head voice she doesn't use it that much if she even consistent up Eb5 @ZRH23 ?

tbh i don't think seunghee's head voice is any impressive either lol. and yes she rarely uses her head voice. most of the time i hear her sing in falsetto. but when she does sing in head voice there's some support. besides not many 3rd gen female vocalists have proper head voice so idk i kinda give props to seunghee for having that Eb5 at least albeit being unutilized lol. 

Edited December 29, 2020 by himi

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56 minutes ago, BAZISSINO said:

No taeil only have some support on his D3s and he doesn't sing that low often all the C#3s i heard on that Vietnamese facebook page are unsupported , currently i would put taeil lower than doyoung even in the same category taeil has more issues even in the mid range . i also don't get why people think seunghee has that much of a proper head voice she doesn't use it that much if she even consistent up Eb5 @ZRH23 ?

i think i came across that page once i didn't remember much but i think i saw something like doyoung only supports up to F4 lol

[himi]

found this. it's from 2019 

a rare moment where taeil's voice is not tired lol. one of his better G#4 at 4:36 

Edited January 3, 2021 by himi

[himi]

1 hour ago, BAZISSINO said:

that was a G4 and he does sounds way more chill and relaxed here 

I didn't have my piano with me but i guess i was close lol

[himi]

On 1/6/2021 at 3:30 AM, ANTI said:

how was this? renjun sounded throaty 

i heard nothing new in particular. but i would say taeil's voice sounds a bit relaxed here. not as tired as he usually does lol. renjun sounds shallow as always

[himi]

d.o is back to cleanse your ears

 

 

Edited January 25, 2021 by himi

[himi]

it's doyoung's birthday so i'm bringing back this iconic performance

 

 

 

[himi]

yikes. aside from seunghee everyone sounded kinda rough- disappointed with lia too

 

Edited February 1, 2021 by himi

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13 hours ago, Kami the II. said:

What would the ranking be among Nayeon, Eunha, Jennie & Hyojung (OMG) btw?

Also, where would Taylor Swift rank in kpop standards? I've seen some Ariana comprasions in the previous pages so I'm curious

personally Nayeon > Hyojung >> Jennie > Eunha

Nayeon is not bad. She has the best sense of support out of the 4.  I'm not that familiar with her but I think she can handle G#4/A4 pretty consistently? Hyojung is shallow most of the time but she does show a few moments where she can support her mid range. Jennie doesn't support at all imo she's very chesty and shouty. But she's more grounded than Eunha so i give her the upper hand. 

Edited February 2, 2021 by himi

[himi]

this A4 sounds nice. 1:27

 

 

Edited February 2, 2021 by himi

[himi]

 

not live but so far it seems Ningning and Winter both can handle Bb4. Karina and Giselle are not bad though. Giselle is more shallow but they both have support to some extent imo. They're pretty decent as a group. 

[himi]

1 hour ago, jeong jaehyuns boyfriend said:

Tbh, I’m a little disappointed that Ning Ning isn’t better. Before debut, I had high hopes for her, but she seems to struggle with even C5 - it sounds okay in the studio version, but in the “live” performance (where they lip synced to prerecorded vocals that were also subject to a lot of post-processing lol), her C5 sounded throaty. And like... the projection was just off. She’s actually been quite pitchy in the “live” performances of Black Mamba too. 

Winter seems to have a better time with pitch, and I’m surprised that she can maintain some tonality down to F#3 instead of just whispering lol. But I think her support is still a little more shallow than Ning Ning’s.

Giselle’s runs have a lot of auto tune correction (I can hear it lol) and she didn’t do anything extraordinary with her lines but she REALLY surprised me since she was sold to us as a rapper. She sounds better than the rappers of aespa’s peer girl groups imo

Same goes for Karina, she surprised me since she was sold to us as a main dancer and lead rapper. I knew she had something in her from her predebut singing performance, so I’m glad she’s still able to sing.

I think so far, Ning Ning > Winter > Karina > Giselle. Bb4/B4 sounds okay for Ning Ning and Winter but unfortunately C5 is not there...

Me too. I was really looking forward to ningning's debut cuz i've never heard any of her predebut stuffs. Plus 4th gen vocalists have been really mediocre so I was expecting her to shine loo. But now ngl she's underwhelming considering she's from sm and we know sm groups at least has 1 really solid vocalists. Of course I wasn't expecting her to be on Wendy or Taeyeon's level but I'd hoped she would be on par with Badam. From what we've seen she's safely average. But hey, at least all the members can support to some extent so that's good lol

 

All I can hope is she improve later on and maybe pull of a Taemin lol but that's unlikely. She could be like Doyoung though who debuted with average-ish skills but improved immensely last year. But it took him like what? 4 years in his career? I hope Ningning's improvement will be faster lol.

 

Also I heard rumors saying Aespa will add new members. I hope the new ones would have a better vocalist

 

Also is it just me or Karina sounds like Miyeon lol

Edited February 7, 2021 by himi

[himi]

are those Bb4? 1:50, 2:50. I love Doyoung's part. Taeil doesn't sound bad though

 

Edited February 17, 2021 by himi

[himi]

what do you guys think of onf's hyojin?

those G4/G#4 in the chorus aren't bad imo. Bb4 at 3:19

Edited February 23, 2021 by himi

[himi]

 

Guess this explains why (g)i-dle doesn't have a decent vocalist unlike other cube groups (pentagon, btob, beast/highlight). 4minute and clc seem to be the case too but idk if they too refuse to take vocal lessons or just had different vocal coaches