Official Vocals thread (READ OP FIRST)

[Sarah Oon]

4 hours ago, Solfa said:

Is there an agreement on who is the best female vocalist of the 4th gen? 

Also, what is the consensus on Huh Yunjin and Sullyoon vocals?

Nayul is the best if we're taking overall (she's a soloist) but if you mean idol groups, Yechan is, with Lily, Ningning and Haewon not that far behind (and all three of them need more materials as rookies so they could be better but we'll see with more time as they mature)

 

Nayul output sounds better than some of the lower proficients like Jamie. I was shook.

Yechan is in a nugu group called pink fantasy. 

 

Edited June 19, 2022 by Sarah Oon

[Sarah Oon]

5 minutes ago, chaeyonass said:

anyone here knows lady gagas supported range and how does she compare to wendy and taeyeon???

Pretty sure is she is Good to Great and more or less around Ailee. She's also a Mezzo who has D5/Eb5 consistently iirc. So in a league above those two.

[Sarah Oon]

15 hours ago, galhadineas said:

 

I was trying to say that that approach is weird haha and good point it's pretty much sunny's case.

 

and about haewon and seunghee i still don't think it "loads" better than whatever Seunghee is doing there, it's not like Seunghee sustained it and it was pushed and anything like that, it was quick and ok, nothing stellar but it's not like a note that started pitchy from haewoon would be THAT much better, at least imo.

 

The thing about Haewon for me is that she has had quite a lot of messy moments and performances under her belt during their debut era that I'm unsure of it's rookie nerves or part of a larger issue seeing as how Lily hasn't show any noteable issues.

 

 

These two performances were... frankly not that impressive AA level vocalist. The B4's were all quite messy and I think i hear some stuck or tongue issues going on? Some of the higher A-AA and Lower AA like Kei or Sejeong had more fuller and stronger B4's in terms of support, but that's just based off this performance, not her at her best. I also wonder if she has issues with air flow/intonation when it comes singing on the spot. But frankly, this could just be a bad day. 

 

She sang Tank on the spot once and it sounded quite nice.

 

Yeah quite a lot of these O.O performances were messy

 

Overall Haewon needs to settle into her voice more and figure out what approach is best for her (she leans either to being cutsey or super chesty). But overall I feel like her messy/inconsistent moments happen just as often as her best moments. Her solo cover was very promising but we need to see if she's consistent with that type of approach.

Edited June 22, 2022 by Sarah Oon

[Sarah Oon]

 

 

This isn't really a vocally challenging song so nothing really new but I like Giselle's lows. I believe that was a G3? Those phrased notes Karina did in the end though... oof. That was not pleasant. I much prefer that run she did at Coachella.

[Sarah Oon]

Listening again and Karina sounded quite airy and shallow throughout the song

[Sarah Oon]

47 minutes ago, RATY said:

New content from Ningning 1.42-1.47 I think she could send support to D5 with the mixed voice she made but that's her downside too, and C5 she's light again

She has shown a few moments recently that she can carry some semblance of support into D5/Eb5 ( seen in Once Again) her approach is just wayyyyyy too light and heady on those notes. It would be interesting to see her tackle those notes with bolder and chestier coordination because she has the potential. 

[Sarah Oon]

3 hours ago, ZRH23 said:

I don't think my thoughts on her changed really. Somewhere along the leagues of SeoSica I guess. It depends on her B4/C5s now that's all but not much change from that.

Not really. There are plenty of singers with good enough chest development in their mixed but not that impressive lows. It's the same concept. Debut era Taeyeon was relatively chesty, but she struggled below A3 anyways. The low register and the mixed range don't necessarily mean one or the other. 

Seosica level?? That seems quite low for someone who most likely has C5/C#5 and is relatively developed in all their registers.

[Sarah Oon]

7 hours ago, Gszchrz said:

What do you guys think of this vocal ranking of 4th gen vocalists?

Any comments to add or changes to make to the vocalists in question?

Its a shame that there wasn't a supported range for them (excluding the bottom 10)

 

Those purple kiss girls are way too high.

[Sarah Oon]

3 hours ago, rere9991 said:

This youtuber is just….. yea I have a lot to say about them, but keeping it about this video the purple kiss girls are way too high (like how is swan closer to average when she deals with shallowness & serious tongue tension?! Karina is the closest to average tier that is if she isn’t low average now arguably), and suddenly Giselle over Karina? I understand she recently showed improved and a lot better material but she still gets shallow, Karina is not shallow at all except couple times during fan calls which I don’t consider serious singing material anyways just her messing around. 

I think we need to hear more from Giselle belting ranging in the G4-Bb4 area. As far as i know, she really hasn't "belted" on any of their songs. Mostly just phrased or sustained notes. She has a few phrased Bb4 in Yeppi Yeppi that carried support and some sustained or phrased G#4 in Savage. Tbh I think Karina has a better handle of G4-Bb4 area than Giselle because Giselle's phrased notes in that region sounded quite small and I couldn't imagine Giselle having the coordination to pull off Karina's part.

I like Giselle's midrange and lows however.

 

 

Edited July 4, 2022 by Sarah Oon

[Sarah Oon]

How is Haewon doing here? 

The clip is bad quality sound wise but her head voice sounded quite full and supported till G#5 (?)

Edited July 7, 2022 by Sarah Oon

[Sarah Oon]

25 minutes ago, spicyssamu said:

What do you guys think, is Aespa the best rounded vocal group in SM?

They're more well-rounded, but Aespa lacks a standout/powerhouse main vocalist, unlike the other SM groups. And this isn't shade to NN. But yeah, Aespa is WAY more solid and balanced than RV, NCT, EXO, or F(x) who relied heavily on their mains if we're talking about the group as a whole. 

 

Edit: I wouldn't put them above SNSD who had Taeyeon, two A-AA and Two A in their vocal line.

Edited July 8, 2022 by Sarah Oon

[Sarah Oon]

21 minutes ago, itzyabop said:

People are so eager to see them move up like calm down, they already have a good foundation let them settle first before expecting them to support the next high note. They're really asking so much from literal rookies.

Did you forget to log out into your other account or?

[Sarah Oon]

This might be Ningning best attempt at runs and being full in her midrange/chest voice. 

[Sarah Oon]

4 hours ago, Shinki said:

 

this was on my tl just now lol

Is her head voice consistently supported? I've heard some support around F5/F#5 a few times she’s done this, but other times it sounds shrill and too light. I wish she would display it in an actual song instead of as a variety gag.

[Sarah Oon]

On 10/20/2022 at 9:06 PM, wintersparkIes said:

what do we think of this ? i'm not good at identifying support but most of these just sound relaxed to me the ones on hard to love sound the best imo 

You’re correct. Most of her Bb4 are relaxed. She’s not even consistent with A4 in terms of support, let alone Bb4. 

Edited November 8, 2022 by Sarah Oon

[Sarah Oon]

12 hours ago, Devoux3817 said:

what is the consensus between goeun and winter ? who the better vocalist and why ?

Most people now put her above Winter, but I could see an argument for either or since Winter is still lacking material. Goeun is similar to Seulgi where she has the stuck sound but generally she can be fuller than Winter even though winter is a lot cleaner with her singing. 

Edited November 23, 2022 by Sarah Oon

[Sarah Oon]

Speaking of the purple kiss members. Some people are now putting Swan and Chaein on the higher end of W-A. Does anyone have any specific clips or reasoning why they would be that high? Swan can support, but her quality leaves a lot to be desire. Major tongue tension, swallowed sound along with stylistic tendencies and shallow. Does she have a good handle of A4/Bb4?

 Chaein reminds me more of Rosé. Both of them sound more towards the lower/mid spectrum of W-A to me instead of around Kyujin/Giselle/Karina/Jinni/Yves and Sullyoon

Edited November 23, 2022 by Sarah Oon

[Sarah Oon]

51 minutes ago, RATY said:

Where are most of the people you mention?

 

Youtube community. 

[Sarah Oon]

13 hours ago, Tsabar said:

Oh? I actually find that reasonable, sure, her stylistic mode isn't the most impressive but when she sing cleaner it generally not shallow and quite focused unlike some others in W-A, in my opinion. 

I’ve heard some clips where she sounds cleaner and way fulle.But I don’t think I would put her on the higher end of W-A because she does have a lot of underwhelming moments where her quality leaves a lot to be desired. She sounds stronger than like Rosé or Liz but I don’t think I would put her above Miyeon ( who is a safe Mid W-A) this clip was nice.

 

Edited November 26, 2022 by Sarah Oon

[Sarah Oon]

9 hours ago, exodus05 said:

JoJo's B4 sounds intense like it is C5/C#5 already  

B4 for a mezzo is basically C#5 for a soprano.

[Sarah Oon]

31 minutes ago, _ohmyvon said:

 

@2:52 Would y'all count the note ning ning did as head voice or more of falsetto/whistle? Either way, it didn't sound controlled or well coordinated to me, on top of being drowned out by the track. 

Edited December 14, 2022 by Sarah Oon

[Sarah Oon]

10 hours ago, namyuactivist said:

Also, there's a nugu 4th gen soloist who already released 5 songs ans is currently recommended and promoted by nugupromiter in twitter, her name is Hanbyeol. many says that she's above average. I just wanted to know if she has the same vocal development with lily and haewon. she also have released so many covers in her own youtube channel. here are the two latest amazing materials from her, she's so amazing! 

 

 

 

She sounds more like an Average. There were some bright vowels and slightly roundness in the belts in the second video. I listened to some other videos from her and besides her belts, she sounded kinda unimpressive,inconsistent and flimsy in the rest of her range. She seems like a stylistic singer overall.