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i feel the temptation to reply to this bcuz fuck's sake no. Hankyung and Kris are both incapable of singing well and left SM due to selfish reasons. I dont mind their reasoning but they have absolutely no singing talent nor ability, so saying I want a better life then out of nowhere releasing music in china with mediocre singing is repulsive to me. This is more about Hankyung than Kris, but this also applies to Kris considering the boy has absolutely no real musical talent and yet he thinks he can make it out of EXO. Girl u r kinda good looking, but no... u r not a singer

 

LOOOL OMG it's okay I counted amongst the top 50 most voted ppl, there are 33 dancers, 1 piano/violin duo, 14 singers and 2 rappers and like only 10 ppl the judges choose will go so idk i mean the duo is so going though. lol but i doubt theyd have too many dancers lol

 

well generally if u r trained enough, u can hear how the note shud be. Like in the harmony of the chord it is played it, or if the note is slightly sharp/flat u can hear it bcuz u r able to recognize the pitch when its centralized so u can hear it when its not centralized.. at least for me lol

 

his pitch isn't a mess. lol wait I wasnt surprised by his singing for it being good, im surprised as a baritone he could sing in that range without sounding like he was yelling lol 

 

shhhhh calm down kids, y'all shud be used to each other by now lol

 

 

He was never in the centre of pitch, and we can't place his voice until he has a developed middle (and I don't mean mix or modal, I mean middle aka the core of the voice).

 

I don't know about you but I believe in practice, so even if he sings that bad, I think he still can improve...

He won't be able to improve because he doesn't have a smidgen of vocal technique that he can "practice" to improve. He won't improve until he goes under some intense vocal training.

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The extra weight she adds makes her mix sounds too thick and chesty, at times she mixed lightly and u can hear how her tone is a little bit girlier than she allows it to be

She also manipulates her vocal tract in an odd manner, causing her resonance to have some tension in it as it's a bit pushed.

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yeah I feel like it's a bit of pressing her vocal cords too hard instead of relaxing into it ..the difference between her and Ailee is that Ailee just pushes, and Hyorin stays quite bright and places her voice well and sounds really relaxed, but then other times she will get throaty and let her throat close, Ailee just generally sounds resonant but pushed, and Hyorin is either clean and relaxed resonant, or closed throat.. If only they would both work on that, I feel like Hyorin is just a matter of consistency and time, Ailee Idk..

Hyorin has been a lot more consistent, as of late and she has much more ease than Ailee in the upper register. Her F5s are much better and fuller than Ailee's because Ailee's vocal tract manipulation is hindering her. 

 

Ailee really needs to stop with the pushing of air and the chest-dominant mix because it will not benefit the health of her vocal cords, in the long run.

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I'd call myself average. I have an ok lower register, where my vibrato is usually steady, my middle is weaker than my lower register though, but the vibrato is all right. My mix chest dominant and needs work. Erm, my upper register is a really weak and nasal falsetto. I sing with a raised soft-palate 99% of the time (because my choir teacher taught me how to get rid of it) and my pitch is ok. I have no vibrato when I belt, though.

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oh yeah but her F5s are not consistent yet, her E5s are just gorgeous though. I agree, Idk but I think that must be addressed to her cuz Idk if she's aware of it. At least Ailee can mix higher, wonder why Hyorin can't.

Erm, Ailee's highest mixed note is G#5 and Hyorin's is F#5, I am sure she could mix higher if she wanted or needed to do so.

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Shouldnt that make you Ok if not around JeTiHyun?

 

I mean you've got consistency with proper tonality, placement and you have an Ok lower register.

If you can produce proper vibrato consistently, that shouldnt put you average right?

 

Im probably weak-average.

My vibrato needs a lot of help. Its either goat vibrato, diaphragmic vibrato or laryngeal vibrato (I purposely shake my larynx or something without shaking my jaw to produce vibrato). A few times/sometimes I can have a healthy vibrato where I let my support and tongue placement allow natural oscillation.

 

My tone production/support is average I guess. Im quite pitchy and sometimes a tendancy to sing 3 different keys at once lol, but Im getting better at pitch where I can stay within the melody. I can remove nasality and sing with a relaxed throat, but Im really inconsistent at it. Like I need to train my muscle memory. Like I have to have a few tries at a Line just to sing it properly.

 

I guess my lower register is Ok but my falsetto is seohyun level. My mixing is very weak. Like I cant control my mix properly and I cant mix above Bb4. I dont know how to properly access my heady mix to access Above that.

comfort range wise, its safe to say C3-F4 

No, it wouldn't because my middle needs a lot of work and my mixing is not healthy and is generally quite shouty when I sing anything above an A4. I'm only really ok in my lower register. Otherwise, in other places my support is not substantial enough and I sing from my throat. The only reason why I've got quite a developed lower register is because I had to sing the alto part, in choir, my whole life.

 

I'd say that I'm around, or just above, Tiffany's level before she improved.

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No but...cracking when you're starting to learn to mix or when you go past your first passagio point and enter your underdeveloped middle voice is common.

This is one of the reasons why the middle voice is so important, even the most important for some of us, as it is the key to get even scale in your instrument and a properly developed vocal technique. 

Yes! The middle voice is very important as it's the core of the voice. A properly developed middle voice prevents breaks when entering different registers and also contributes to the development of the upper register.

you heard nasality in that ?

Yes.

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about the nasality : how am i supposed to now when my uvula being lifted or not?

for the resonant vs strain part really gets me confused when watching the video you post in AJ, like when some of the vocalists belt the high note, they always put the same scream-in-utter-pain emotion.

The part that should be lifted is the soft palate.

 

Also, listen to the videos with your eyes closed and try to differentiate the sounds that singers are making. Ignore their facial expressions since that has nothing do with resonance.

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It's not like she was totally yelling them I mean, she's showing maybe some improvement hopefully no? LOL some blonde taeyeon who cares and is trying to sing better no? my mom loves Audrey..

But pinched notes are never a sign of improvement, if anything, they're a sign of regression.

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I decided to check out this thread recently and saw the clip of Hebe. A lot of her solo stuff is more mellow with her singing more in her comfort zone, so I wanted to get an analysis on something where she shows more range. Can I get a quick overview of how she does here, please? Any additional stuff about her as a vocalist that you can tell from this performance? Her part is only until 3:16. 

 

Hebe's got a nicely developed lower register, but her middle and upper registers are where she tends to slip into nasality and lose the fullness in her voice.

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Kids y'all need to calm down and be able to be open minded to consider other people's points ... I decided to listen to her live range in this video. I agree that drug abuse, vocal nodules and range affected her singing, high larynx.. I don't agree that a chesty mix = high larynx, but Whitney did not place her mix in her head and hence didn't have as much freedom in her upper most extreme belting range, not as much as she could by placing her voice in her head as opposed to mask. Regardless she was resonant throughout, just didn't sound super clean and free. So anyway the video right... 

 

G#5's, I think everything up until G5 was fine but the G#5s sounded tight and the throat sounded closed. At least to me, the higher she goes because she wasn't placing her mix in her head, she loses freedom as she goes higher and G#5s sound just kinda closed.

I thought you left.

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Well I gather that some people here could identify an open-throated note just by listening to the audio. Could someone also hear that a note is sung with a risen soft palate just by listening to the audio? How could those even be differentiated?

One more question, if an openthroat needs risen soft palate, correct position of jaw, lips, tongue and facial muscles and mouth (which is already difficult as it is), what more technique that needs to be done for an openthroated note to become resonant?

1. When one doesn't sing with a raise soft-palate the sound that one is producing will be nasal and thin.

2. Proper vocal tract manipulation and a fully open throat, due to superior breath support and control, will lead to resonance.

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Id like to add one thing to your previous question, you said what's the name of an open throated non supported sound. There's no name for that but that's how most ppl sing essentially in their comfortable range. Someone who doesn't know how to sing well will most likely have a relaxed opened sound in their comfortable speaking range but the sound will still come out shallow and flat in tone, even though it's not exactly strained at all, it's not supported either, so listening out for the tone production is important too

It's possible but we'd have to hear your voice and hear where your voice sits to find out.

There's no name for it because it doesn't exist.

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