Official Vocals thread (READ OP FIRST)

[BAZISSINO]

We really shouldn't be putting much emphasis on speaking voices because they can be deceptive. And like in the grand scheme of things it really isn't what determines voice

 

Like if I wanted to, I could speak in my head voice and talk in that C5 and up range if I wanted lol

yeah sure i can enunciate in my whistle too 

[BAZISSINO]

he spoke down to around F#2 lol

throwback to when Kyungsoo shi didn't care about being manly and sounding low lol 0:57 

[BAZISSINO]

I don't know what this is...

 

But anyway..I came to the conclusion it won't get any better LOL so here:

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0zqOwHJv3Qi

 

My vibrato betrayed me on the last note

 

I was getting really into it. I turned down the mic volume a lot because the mic being up and me being loud caused a bunch of feedback. SO headphones lol. 

your vibrato is too wide  you should let it happen naturally   i was waiting for some head voice lol .... didn't happen 

[BAZISSINO]

That thing with losing falsetto notes once you learn head voice is quite common, you should gain them back as your head voice develops more 

why gaining them back lol ?? u can do so much with head voice ..... falsetto is just for style you can be stylistic with you Hv (ofc when u develop it ) you can still be airy with your head voice when u choose to 

Edited July 6, 2017 by BAZISSINO

[BAZISSINO]

Ok. So, I tried to get an A6 for you. I uploaded an old full recording of a song that has one, and then I just recorded only the ending part in my apartment right now. and I'm sure pissed off my neighbors. But when I start lessons again, I'll record them and hopefully have more data with me in the higher part of my range? idk lol now I'm fascinated by my own voice typing.

 

 

 

the song performed by me 10 years ago

 

 

-ending

 

me in my apartment right now pissing off my neighbors and having a few pitch problems. forgive me, i just drove home in traffic.

 

you're giving me a bit of a crisis of fach. I've also just sat to much more deliberately figure out my passagi which seem to be F4 and E5.

i was reading A6 then i didn't hear it lol ..... u meant A5 

[BAZISSINO]

For our ears yes, she sounds like female in both but Japanese are used to hear such voices only from boys, young male singers, their girls talk and sing much, much higher almost always so after hearing tons of japanese vocals this one sounded male-like for me too at first.

But the thing is I'm interested in how she does it and what type of voice is her natural - something inbetween?

 

The boy's one is more surprising for me as just by audio alone I could have said it's a girl at first.

jaejoong twinsie lol Piko just play with his tone the difference between 1:18 and 4:12 

[BAZISSINO]

For our ears yes, she sounds like female in both but Japanese are used to hear such voices only from boys, young male singers, their girls talk and sing much, much higher almost always so after hearing tons of japanese vocals this one sounded male-like for me too at first.

But the thing is I'm interested in how she does it and what type of voice is her natural - something inbetween?

 

The boy's one is more surprising for me as just by audio alone I could have said it's a girl at first.

jaejoong twinsie lol piko just play with his tone the difference between 1:12 and 4:12 

[BAZISSINO]

Hi Vocal Thread =) I wanted to drop in here and ask if someone could tell me how Jongdae does in this clip from Fantastic Duo. I'm curious about how the section from 0:11-0:25 is and what the heck he's doing at 0:57 because I can't figure out if it's falsetto or not lol. Thanks a lot, and I really appreciate all y'all on this thread because I learn a lot from lurking on here!

 

https://youtu.be/7Uf0pkZVCDg

0:11 Eb4 ~ Bb4  the usual fine below Bb4 0:57 too tense too much air it was a D5  he need to rely way more on his cord closure than air pressure  

[BAZISSINO]

this show might be more competent with their vocal instruction since this guy is, I believe, a vocal coach from SM that handled Wendy. Bada also seems to be overseeing vocals, and she's pretty good herself

yeah SM coach jinyoung not only wendy , also shinee except teamin , Chenbaekhsoo , Dia , boyfiend's hyunseong , NCT and and white fox ( SM next girl group which Herin was part of lol ) NOW she's on the show hope it won't be awkward with her coach cause she left SM 

[BAZISSINO]

Dia as in the girl who was part of Kiss & Cry before? Or DIA the group

yeah  Dia the one who was part of kiss&cry the one that support Eb5s and Bb5 in her head voice 

[BAZISSINO]

i wonder how long he handled them and if he's responsible for how good they are. That's quite a good resume if he is indeed responsible for their technique, Chen Dia Wendy Jonghyun Onew Kyungsoo Baek, they're all quite good 

http://www.allkpop.com/article/2011/07/what-have-the-members-of-sms-black-beat-been-up-to-lately that group he's talking about in 2011 is EXO and he has his own vocal company https://www.atop-company.com/contents

 i heard pre-debut Chenbaekhsoo, they weren't as good as when they debuted even if D.O had lessons before and chen was in a vocal academy 

Edited July 13, 2017 by BAZISSINO

[BAZISSINO]

I'm sure it will lol. JeA literally told the girls to scream out the notes and both produce seasons literally praised straining high notes and closed throats. The SM vocal coach helped the Unnies more than the produce vocal coaches helped the contestants.

JeA is not a coach she didn't do anything she was just watching lol , for Season 2 i haven't seen any help from the coaches the boys literally practiced alone

0:46 

[BAZISSINO]

Now she's a soprano to them too? Oh. Okay then.

after what happens now they Know what  LIGHT MIXING is ...... i like how he through word lol " difficult and chesty style " lol , the F3s he mentioned as supported tho 

[BAZISSINO]

after what happens now they Know what  LIGHT MIXING is ...... i like how he through word lol " difficult and chesty style " lol , the F3s he mentioned as supported tho 

          " the amount of support present on G3s , even on differing dynamic levels "

 

                       

[BAZISSINO]

Those are different dynamic levels on the G3s. You can argue about the degree of support on the F3s--I said they weren't perfect or well-projected--but there is a modicum of support, which is why I included it. 

I've always known what a mix is. I've just never agreed that it has to be balanced, and I don't agree that the singers who are lauded in this thread are as good as people say. 

Also, I'm making a distinction between a "belt" and "mix." I know many people use it interchangeably, but it was the best way I knew to describe an older style (like Judy Garland, Ethel Merman, LSH) that was predominantly chesty (what you might call a chesty mix) and mixing as we see it today (with more of an emphasis on balancing it). But, it went a step further in that the goal of this belting style was to intentionally take your chest range to its limits for a more powerful and robust sound. Whether you agree with this style or not, it is still a valid vocal style with prominent vocal coaches and students even today. Your opinion of the style has no effect on its academic merit. 

 

EDIT: I always went back and forth on her being a mezzo or soprano. But, now I do agree she is a soprano. Anyway, the point of the video was to show she does consistently support higher and lower than stated in the analysis y'all gave when she wants to, but she chooses to use a style that y'all don't prefer. 

oh i didn't know u have an account here lol , i don't hear those level of dynamic on G3 ,i don't hear any support On F3 - G3 range all i give her is some tone , who are those singers you don't agree on their level? I'm really curious

mixing can be chesty , balanced and heady and  you don't have to pull your chest that high a brighter Placement can help sounding way more powerful than heavy chest ration it also help access to your upper mix more easily, take for example Lara or younha and compare their 5th octave to chesty soprano like bohyung or ailee 

chesty mix can be tiring and need more breath support and effort in general 

for lee sunhee if she want too she can always change her approach and improve nothing is late 

i watched your video and no you haven't proved that she can support higher than C#5 and lower tha G#/A3 sorry :3 

Edited July 16, 2017 by BAZISSINO

[BAZISSINO]

You are seriously telling me that you don't hear the support in the mixed notes I included at the end? She doesn't go for this approach often, but when she does, she consistently supports to D#5. She chooses to use the other style. 

 

The singers I don't agree are as good as people say they are? SoHyang, Jeong Dong Ha, Kyu Hyun, Ailee, and maybe Lena Park. Outside of Kpop, Beyonce and Mariah. I think Whitney is underrated and Aretha overrated. I won't get into lengthy discussions why unless you want to PM me. 

 

Of course, you don't need a chesty mix to be powerful, but there is a raw power to a chestier style, and that's what these vocalists go for. 

YEAH I'm srsly telling you I don't hear support ON D#5 and above 

[BAZISSINO]

Yeah a little bit for me, but I feel like there's not enough stuff to make too many calls yet. I do find it interesting that they put Natty first. That's not to say I don't think she could be first, I'm just surprised is all.

still didn't Show herin singing right ?

[BAZISSINO]

I don't think so, but I also have a really hard time recognising Herin without the super long hair and I get her mixed up with this specific one other trainee sometimes too. Must be awkward for her to be with the SM vocal coach again though, hope she left on good terms.

she has a pretty unique face  hope she won't be one of those trainees that won't get enough screen time, MAYBE SM SEND HER THERE on Purpose i mean the show is full of SM (heechul , jinyoung and Bada )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTV26ipwaJE

[BAZISSINO]

She got 14th on the vocal evaluation.

14Th MY GAD I feel like i'm so gonna stress for that show 

[BAZISSINO]

I'm not sure if KARD have been discussed, I don't follow them to have any idea personally

 

as for NCT they don't really have much suitable material to be judged and they're still pretty new, most of their performances don't really showcase much of their capabilities but rather their weaknesses due to the range most songs are written in, but it's been speculated that it's Taeil > Jaehyun > Doyoung but it's very tentative, mainly because of Jaehyun being a baritone with barely any material that suits his comfortable range or anything serious vocal-wise. Taeil has a sense of support, his sound is pretty forward and supported around the low part of his mixed range, he has showed support up to F#4 consistently but his G4 are inconsistent, most of the songs where he goes as high are studio songs which puts another problem.. there's a G4-G#4 in Summer 127 (iirc well) which didn't sound strained but the layered background sound is just loud and can't be trusted. The lowest I personally heard Taeil support is E3, which isn't any stellar, but there must be other performances where he went lower or supported lower, I don't know. As for Doyoung he's weaker than Taeil regarding his sense of support, Doyoung can show moments of support and forwardness but most of the time he goes for an airy approach, and it at times makes his voice barely projected and inward, he becomes either shouty or tight around F#4 as well, which isn't stellar at all, he's an Average vocalist overall, currently. As for Jaehyun.. I don't know much, he's just trying to sing soft and heady in many songs due to the fact he's put to mix as high as the other tenors, but he has some sense of support, but I don't know to where it extends

doyoung is very stylistic in his approach in his low range for me he just go for the pretty airy sound but he can support F#4 , jaehyun can support D4 , they have a permanent coach (jinyoung ) as a coach i'm not worried it just that SM focus on a non vocal style for them for now 

 

[BAZISSINO]

I watched that performance, and there's pretty much only one cuick F#4 that I like tbh, the rest still has some tension, he's inconsistent around there

yeah i know this why i said he can lol   , let give them some time 

[BAZISSINO]

yeahh I'm hopeful they'll become better

 

at least if Taeil says he wants to be like Kyuhyun he has to work for it 

They need to focus on the solid base of support rather than developing their own style 

[BAZISSINO]

The G4 at 1:18 or so was really nice and almost exemplary imo lol

 

As for the rest... I mean first of all the fact that he managed to get up to a (pretty flat) F5 in his mixed is pretty crazy. He only managed to hit up to the D#5s on key though, and although he got up there with some discomfort (to say the least) he could probably do that again if someone asked him to, which is also pretty crazy.

The G5 was head voice though and everyone on the show reacts as if it's not which has me sitting here super confused 

NOPE the G5 was mixed u confused me for a sec lol 

[BAZISSINO]

THAT AT 1:52 IS HEAD VOICE

RIGHT???? AM I HALLUCINATING OR SMTH??!?

no lol it mixed he was mixing the whole song chen head voice is undeveloped it doesn't sound like that at all 

1:18 that his head voice 

[BAZISSINO]

For me I can't hear mezzo on their originals at all, it's their covers that give me mezzo vibes. I don't know why there's such a discrepancy because you're right - in kard tracks she gets very light as she goes up and it's nothing indicative of a mezzo. But then on all the covers they've done it's a completely different story, which confuses me. Her speaking voice is also quite low, not like Jennie who has a quite typically pitched speaking voice.

 

 

I mean I get that now but I still don't hear it and that confuses me so I shall stay confused forever lmao

If ur confused with Chen u can try Mitch and his masky head voice  .... it a whole new world lol people can't tell the difference between his mix above C5 and head voice