Official Vocals thread (READ OP FIRST)

[BabyKBK]

, you had me all interested and concerned over the 'interesting' and 'curious' thing lol.

Turns out you're secretly an alto.🙈

Edited July 7, 2017 by BabyKBK

[BabyKBK]

I'm not secretly one. I am one, lol. Alto is a voice part, and I sing alto I in choir. My voice type is a mezzo-soprano though. I have sung contralto stuff before tho =D

Contralto is such a comfortable range to sing in as a tenor

 

Girlll I used to be part of Australian Youth Choir and since every boy were basically trebles, a lot of us got assigned soprano. I've yet to sing in a choir as a tenor What do you do in your choir and do you have to wear robes? I hated them... In AYC we would like do vocal lessons and have a tonne of vocal games and exercises

like "Pitch Potato" and "Honey bun"( actually legit their real names) and then the rest of the time we sang. We had like

7 different levels with the super trained 19-20 year olds at top basically doing solos.. unfortunately I only got as far as tragic level 3 before I had to quit for other commitments

Edited July 7, 2017 by BabyKBK

[BabyKBK]

 

You better workkkk. I literally transpose most things. If the transposition makes the climax or low notes still weird tho I just do like modulation here and there hehe.

Edited July 8, 2017 by BabyKBK

[BabyKBK]

Most Kpop tenors that i have heard, including non-idols, are certainly the norm in terms of type. Most are not even the highest type at all. Your own voice isn't different than theirs, you are certainly singing with very different habits and in a range that goes much lower than what they usually sing in, that's all.

 

I agree tbh, it's just a different range. Most tenor singers(outside of kpop) I find try to sing in a lower range for a tenor rather than utilising their range beyond A4 as often as they could. Kpop idols only seem higher cause of the Korean preference for high fifth octave belts and in some habits like half air technique that make them seem higher and lighter.

 

I feel the same way about the skill thing TT. I annoy myself sometimes especially since im a classical musician myself...I feel embarrassed sometimes cause I really want my singing to match my piano skills one day

 

Also btw CY would it be possible for me to be a leggero tenor due to lack of vocal weight or is this just a distant dream of mine (I like high and light voices lol)

Edited July 9, 2017 by BabyKBK

[BabyKBK]

very forward and resonant D8s

I don't hear the resonance tho, the D8s were pushed with a lot of tongue tension and the left chippette sounded flat on those upper harmonies. I guess chipettes are around above average level with the left chipotle mabye being average. Overall tho their lower range sounds ok. Their best vocal performance was single ladies, this was kinda lacklustre.

[BabyKBK]

well I don't know about that, it's not like the Korean tenors sound any different than the Western ones, they mostly sound like common types of tenors.

 

okay Babykbk...*softly places hands on both of your shoulders and looks you in the eye*

you're what is called a Young Grasshopper Tenor, it's the most common type of tenor, formerly unknown to the classical school and newly discovered by modern pop listeners (becuz they're very gud at voice typing). the qualities of that tenor are an untrained lower voice, an untrained middle voice, and an untrained upper voice by classical standards. In other words don't worry about it so much for now. You may be the lightest or you may be the second heaviest with classical training. Just don't go around calling yourself a leggero because the educated classical people who know what that voice type really is will obviously find it odd to call yourself that, since you are headier than Monica Lewinski right now, and the other pop/classical people have a terribly incorrect concept of a "leggero", which to them is any type of tenor who does fancy runs while having constrictive tensions.

 

If anyone asks just call yourself a "high tenor" for now and it'll be fine. Sounding high and light, a distant dream for you? Bruh you're living the dream already LOL. Someone listened to you and thought you sounded androgynous, is that not good enough for you?

Omg very true, I'd be fine with light Lyric too tbh, as long as my voice is a more flexible one. TT I hope starting training at 17 won't be too late. Most of my classical vocalist friends started at 10 and still continue to this day. For piano I started at 5 and it took 12 years to get to AmusA so im scared for how long my singing will take.........

 

EDIT:OMG HEADIER MONICA LEWINSKY DJHXKFHDJSHS, is this referring to what I think it is omggg I literally cackled and fell on the train.

Edited July 10, 2017 by BabyKBK

[BabyKBK]

The voice is different than a lot of instruments in that your body needs to adequately mature before training is really worth it (since it will develop more later), and training too much at a young age can actually be damaging.

My voice instructor in high school actually had a policy not to take anyone younger than 16, and even then she didn't love it. I don't know how healthy classical voice instructor is at age 10. Seventeen is a perfectly reasonable age to start.

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Agility is both trained and something that certain individuals will have more potential to be exceptionally good at compared to others, theoretically any voice type can be flexible and there have been lower tenors , lower baritones, and bass-baritones who have shown exceptional agility. But of course, being lighter is usually the easiest.

 

I know a lot of people that started in their mid 20s and 30s with a lot of issues but ended up great classical singers. 10 is a terrible age to start classical voice training lol.

WOW I didn't realise starting young was a bad thing lol. Most parents in China push their kids into classical training for instruments/vocals all around 5-10. Lol even I ideally wanted to start vocal training at like 5 XD.The philosophy is the earlier you start the better since little kids absorb information more quickly and that ability decreases when you get older. I took like a few(literally four) vocal lessons when I was like 12 lol, I don't really remember much and it wasn't too useful since my voice sounds different now but at least it taught me how to take care of my voice lol like not shout or scream. Just out of curiosity, did any of y'all get taught a certain speaking technique? I was taught to not engage the chest TOO much since it's not good, so I now speak in a light and soft way. I think that habit in a way that has affected my singing style too, since my voice is so much headier now than when I was little. Edited July 10, 2017 by BabyKBK

[BabyKBK]

Does anyone know what happened to the cover group thing from last year with mr mr and ooh ahh. I want to join your next comeback kdhxkhxjcjx

[BabyKBK]

Xyshhshzhs This isn't a question I expected to see

I'm here to revive the group as a new member to save our broke company. If we don't have a comeback soon we'll have to go to catsauce Entertainment. Are you interested?

Edited July 11, 2017 by BabyKBK

[BabyKBK]

Yes, actually, not sure if anyone else would be though

Our last comeback flopped so we are on hiatus lol. Doing solo activities

Not anymore after our solos stopped charting in top 50 after 2 weeks//...!!!! We are re grouping. I know another OH friend that has expressed past interest in Collabs. Are you in as well panda?

Edited July 11, 2017 by BabyKBK

[BabyKBK]

Thank you for this video! I'm beginning to think that I'm mb an underdeveloped mezzo and my tutor guessed it wrong for now, cause she judged by range and timbre in general and said I'm a lyric contralto x_x Hope I'll understand something better after the actual training begins

 

Btw this interesting part about contraltos sounding as a male voice reminded me of this Japanese thing called ryuseirui - people who can sing in both male and female voice. How do they do it and what types are they generally? For men - tenors, I'm sure, and for women - mezzos?

Famous (there) examples

Girl

(is she lowering her larynx here?)

 

 

her "girl version" of the same song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXT0JtfQGDQ

 

Man

 

I instantly heard male for all three lol. I honestly can't identify contraltos 99% of the time, to me I just instantly think they are men skdhkdhdjd.

How can y'all identify contraltos as women?? I'm so confused lol

[BabyKBK]

is toni braxton a mezzo then? and also mariah carey is mezzo as well right or she just has a extensive low register

Toni is a Lyric mezzo soprano while Mariah currently is a damaged soprano. Mariah in her prime was a lyric coloratura soprano although she often incorrectly called herself contralto lol.

[BabyKBK]

this show might be more competent with their vocal instruction since this guy is, I believe, a vocal coach from SM that handled Wendy. Bada also seems to be overseeing vocals, and she's pretty good herself

I'm sure it will lol. JeA literally told the girls to scream out the notes and both produce seasons literally praised straining high notes and closed throats. The SM vocal coach helped the Unnies more than the produce vocal coaches helped the contestants.

[BabyKBK]

Well, I've always kinda naturally spoken and even breathed well and like, it's hard in the sense that my voice is always loud because I project even when I'm not trying to. It's easier to have a quiet voice you can modify to be loud than just a plain loud voice that you constantly have to remind yourself to keep in check lmao 

My voice naturally projects well when I speak too!!( sadly doesn't translate to my chest register in singing) but I try to speak softer and lighter without much volume cause I'm scared of vocal damage. I haven't screamed or shouted this year so far so it's going well.

[BabyKBK]

I feel as if you are too worried about damaging your voice. General conversation at appropriate volunes really won't hurt your voice. Literally if you're not screaming everyday for hours you should be fine. Whispering also isn't very good for your voice either. You're really worried about something that probably won't happen unless you're doing very extreme things. Just think back to when you were younger and all of that yelling and screaming and look you still have a voice. You're like 17 right? Something young right? Well I'm 18 and I talk a lot loudly too and I sing all the time and my voice is fine. You're worried pretty much about nothing. Just don't over do it.

Im 17 yes. I'm quite a vocal care freak lol but I don't whisper haha, I just talk with a very light a bright tone without engaging in too much chest.I go on vocal rest quite often and limit my singing to under 20min per day since I want to be able to maintain my voice with a clear and fresh sound till I'm old. This all started when I lost voice from talking too much like 2 years ago I think. I'm glad I recovered and I never want to experience something so horrifying again. I used to be quite talkative and loud with a chesty singing voice especially when I was under 12 but now that I'm 17 Im afraid my vocal chords will start dying if I keep talking loud and use a chesty mix. Edited July 17, 2017 by BabyKBK

[BabyKBK]

Are you sure it was solely from talking? And you weren't sick at all? I understand that I really do, but I still think you are taking the extremist route. I understand being cautious, but that's going a bit overboard. How do you plan on improving your voice of you don't sing? Most voice lessons are 30 minutes to an 1hr? What do you plan on doing? I'm not saying shout at the top of your lungs, but you sound like you really limit yourselt. But if you are comfortable with it okay

I was foolish lol, I had a cold and I kept talking..... Well idk lol I know I'm limiting my vocal development but I try to spend most of my singing time doing exercises instead of songs lol. I made my mix headier than heads and haven't re explored much of my old range either so I guess I'm just in trauma lol. Mabye getting a vocal coach once I'm less busy will help me although I haven't sang for 30min-1hour for at least a year lol.

[BabyKBK]

Lol I just found my whistle but I still can't sing in falsetto, only head voice.So now I have the most disconnected Range alive -_-

#lookingforF#5-B5

Edited July 19, 2017 by BabyKBK

[BabyKBK]

Is anyone here very familiar with like singing in the whistle register?? Can you give me some tips and exercises lol I just discovered it recently and so far it's C6-A6 and I can do like ascending descending notes but I can't control volume. I'm not sure how to approach it with exercises since the ones I use for mixed and chest aren't really working well. I've been doing chromatic scales to control pitch which is working tho. Also I have inconsistencies in accessing it imao, sometimes it comes out fine but other times there's like a 3 second delay before it comes out.

Edited July 20, 2017 by BabyKBK

[BabyKBK]

How about you focus on developing your other registers instead of that one. As a guy, it really doesn't do you much good to develop that register especially if your other registers aren't too developed. You only allow yourself 20 minutes of singing a day right? Spend those 20 minutes wisely use them develop more useful registers for your singing like your chest voice. But to answer your question I have no idea lol

I know I should lol but it's just exciting since it's new lol. I prefer to sing in a higher range anyways so ive focused on chest the least lol, I kinda gave up (temporarily) practicing and exploring it much since Im never really required to sing below F#3/G3. Also now I've upgraded to 30min a day since I felt 20minutes really limited me to the point my voice was getting lazy!!! Mostly just scales and some breathing exercises but I really should work on nasality lmao.

Edited July 21, 2017 by BabyKBK

[BabyKBK]

When I said chest voice I meant the chest voice and not the lower register. Your chest voice you need to develop. Can't stress that enough you neeed to develop it. It's the foundation of your voice. The core one might say(it is). I understand you like to sing higher, but you cannot neglect the lower portion of your voice. What's the point of screaming an A4 if you can't support C4? That's when you can really hurt your voice. So really don't neglect the core parts of it. And let's be real how often are you singing F5 or like A5 in your head voice? Probably not that often. Now don't get me wrong the head register shouldn't be forgotten either it's great to take your head voice down through your vocal breaks to bridge the gaps. We did that very often in my choir class. Singing in head voice when they're normally chest voice notes for you is weird. Like singing a G3 isn't fun lol. Also developing those head muscles can really help with the lower portion of your voice as well. But really please please please focus on developing the core foundation of your voice than hoping around. I want you to be able to sing well and for a long time. I am glad you increased to 30 minutes let's see if we can make it 45 minutes okay?

Thankssss I'll try, Chest isn't fun but it's worth it long term

[BabyKBK]

FINAL NOTICE!!!

If you still want to join the song collab and be part of OH's first idol group, pm me and comment on this thread:

https://onehallyu.com/topic/551687-recruiting-singers-and-rappers/?do=findComment&comment=22700148

 

Recruitment closed, all spots are full!

Edited July 23, 2017 by BabyKBK

[BabyKBK]

cool cool I'm glad you enjoyed your first lesson! yaaaas work dat low larynx technique lol

 

#prayingtothesopranogods

 

 

"whistle registers"? ewwie lol

 

U wanna practice C6-A6 with a male voice? STAHP lol I don't even like the majority of female head voices in contemporary music with their "good" notes past C6, it's like listening to pop dudes strain in the 5th octave except lucky for the female singers in the 6th octave, their voices sound "pretty", "floaty" and fancy mask-y or whatever. The constriction is less noticeable to most people compared to listening to a thicker coordination in lower notes. Some are non-breathy glorified "falsettos" rather than actual coordinated "head voices".

 

if someone wants to use a head voice coordination, I wouldn't mess with that area unless you have an advanced head voice with ample depth and core/chest coordination. Preferably with true coloratura capabilities, and I mean real coloratura capabilities, not the tori Kelly or Mariah kind lol.

 

in other words

Singing C6-D6-E6-F6-G6 @ 10:23 and 10:33, G6 @ 10:54

 

 

well okay you don't needa be THAT good for pop but at least have passably coordinated registration

Lol obviously I would never be able to practice C6-A6 in Head or falsetto. Since whistle is a disconnected register it doesn't actually sound or feel that pinched or strained( I think I sent a short clip here a while ago).Funny thing is I can't sing anything from F#5-B5 so I never sing in that deadly range. But it might come back lol. At the start of this year I could barely sing a C4 cause I was sick. I haven't noticed any changes in my voice from before the sickness. Edited July 26, 2017 by BabyKBK

[BabyKBK]

It being a disconnected register has nothing really to do with you feeling strained or pinched or not. I mean it may not feel difficult to you, but believe me your vocal cords are working for it. I mean I strained A4 but it feels fine to me. Just because you don't feel the pain or strain doesn't mean it's not happen that's just general vocal advice.

Is there any way to tell strain in the whistle?? I have a hard time telling it in whistle unless you're literally squeaking for dear life. I do think I have a very bad high larynx habit tho.

[BabyKBK]

yeah the best way to train your ear to detect strain in whistle notes is by listening to LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE WHISTLE NOTE EVER HIT BY ANYONE LOL

 

it's just singing with no depth and no coordinated chest, using the muscles responsible for pure falsetto combined with constriction at very high pitches. It is an extra falsetto-y falsetto.

LMAO lm sorry but the clapping had me DEAD. No depth, no coordinated chest: oop sounds like you are describing me a little too accurately It's weird if my whistle is just an extra falsetto-y falsetto that l FORGOT the mechanics of how to produce falsetto from F#5-B5. A mess Rn my B2-F5+C6-A6 range is tragic, hopefully tutoring will increase, connect and control my range. I hope to have a wide vocal range and slay in the future.

How about you show us, so we can tell you for sure. You really can't support a whistle..It's like falsetto...It can't really be supported, but it can be relaxed. That's why whistle notes aren't really considered when talking about supported ranges. It has no potential to resonate or carry any true kind of vocal power again like falsetto lol. In the classical world whistles are just a no. I remember taking to my music teacher about it and she just wasn't having it. She quite literally called it useless and nothing more than a gimmick.

I literally only have one video of me doing whistle and its very short since l dont like recording my voice much but here is me randomly just doing some ascending notes when l was feeling it in the car(turn volume up):

https://soundcloud.com/user42562275/testing-my-range

 

l'll try doing longer videos with my whistle when l recover from my current sickness. Thanks so much!!!

Edited July 27, 2017 by BabyKBK

[BabyKBK]

they way you're singing remains me of park bom like how you sing word by word, not the technique tho

you are a guy right? whats your range? i feel like you should practice to sing in your comfort range rather than in a female range.

Omg park bom. I'm a guy yes my range is B2-F5+C6-A6. My first passagio is around E4 and my second is kinda a muffle cause my mix is so light. My natural passagios are probably higher since rn l start bringing my head and mix down early since I find chest coordination difficult. I think my larynx lowers at F3. I'll try doing some more practice in the G3-E4 range to strengthen chest. Edited July 27, 2017 by BabyKBK