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hmm, really?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmZOXFb62iA

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzubJLg_H8M

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYLSHmgzynI

 

 

I'm not sure if that was a mistake on your part, but you're comparing them to Ailee's strained F5...Check Stand Up For Love. Ailee's C5s are done with a much better vocal tract shaping and elongated open-throat than Taeyeon ever did with her C5s. 

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It was 1:24 lol sorry

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZXzhPKeVzI

 

1:48. All of her C5s were better placed than Taeyeon's. Well, maybe comparing Taeyeon's C5 in Lost in Love with Ailee's would be a more intense fight, but overall, Ailee's vocal tract shaping on her C5s and her placement > Taeyeon's. 

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I believe you were the one who said her C5's were the best ever produced in K-pop, at least one of the best or something. I believe that's where he's taking this from.

I remember Josias started it all by saying that, the C5 in Lost in Love was the best one yet in her career and that her vibrato reminded him of Yeonji's. Then, someone twisted his words and came to the conclusion that her C5s were the best ever produced in K-pop but I might've only agreed with that specific C5 in Lost in Love being on the same level, if not better than most of the C5s produced by the top female vocalists in K-pop. But idk how it came down to her C5s are better than the C5s produced by female vocalists better than her or that she was the Queen of C5s lol.

 

 

oh these ones are really better than that one that I posted before, but I don't see much difference between those and Taeyeon's C5s 

But Taeyeon still manages to have bigger resonance than people better than her:

The C5s from Taeyeon you posted all have reverb effect which ofc make her column of sound seem much larger than it actually is so im gonna need unedited non-reverb effect versions of her C5s if we're gonna continue this discussion. She might have a few C5s that could give SOME top female vocalists' C5s a run for their money (which makes sense bc unlike them, the girl is a mess vocally that she now acts like a damn mezzo who's only managed to shine on C5 and below), but to say her C5s (implying most of them)? That's an exaggeration lmao. 

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To be honest, there was a point in time I did think she was a mezzo because of the way she sings the G4-B4s in Twinkle and her Take a Bow performance, basically that shine quality at C5 and below  :derp:. Like, gurl why you shining down there

SAMEEEE. Aly and I once joked about her fach turning into a mezzo's haha. Years of strain and bad habits above C#5/D5, not to mention that she's aging took a toll on the anatomy of her voice as a soprano, making her ease in the upper-middle/upper register downgrade to that of a mezzo /dead

 

right, I think it was his comment on Aly's "Kim Taeyeon best belted notes" video where he commented. I do recall the comment as something like the C5 in Lost in Love was among the best C5s hes heard from female kpop but yeah definitely he did not say her C5s are the best in kpop

you're right. and I think that was my video you're talking abt. I deleted it cuz I had planned to make a newly updated one but never managed to do so lmao

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:har: . She's not even really old tho  :omg:

i didnt mean it in that sense lol, just that she's in her late 20s/ almost in her 30s and it's expected that her vocal ease would regress, plus her technique not helping the situation at all...keeping in mind that a light lyric soprano voice's life span is short af 

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 What do you mean by Shine?

As in their supported range, or the part of the supported range that is most balanced?

in that case, our bitch still giving out nice and balanced C5s and D5s LIVE

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKv2elo2J1k[/media]

@1:07-1:14

@2:20-2:29

shine...tessitura? that area of the range where the richness of your resonance is supposed to kick in? pop sopranos usually start from Eb5. Taeyeon's voice was supposed to shine much higher in her range, but due to all those reasons I've listed, the ease in her upper range was partly lost, the anatomy of her voice changed which is why she has only managed to shine on C5/C#5s and below. 

 

sorry, those C5s were a bit squeezed and could've been more opened. 

 

And who expired declined when she hit 30  :derp:. 

I'm actually very sad about that. Mariah Carey was my inspiration growing up  :rlytearpls:  I have like 23432 covers of her easy songs. 

i've heard light coloratura sopranos have even shorter prime than LLS and for mariah's case, being one + her tragic vocal nodules made it even shorter lmao 

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:har: "Not even 1% of a fan's point of view". A korean vocal trainer  :omg:  :omg:

 

 

this guy likes voice color but the only color I see there is brown coz of all the Bullshit lol

 

lmaoooo. did not know it was actually possible to NOT exhale whilst singing. jaejoong seems to know how to make his vocal cords vibrate by itself without the air in his lungs. troll?

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Drew, I'mma need you to stop playing TaeYeon like she's some kind of bad vocalist when she really isn't especially when Park Bom is still trying to sing Jingle Bells on key.


I wish I was playing, but fortunately bad vocalists don't shine in any note in their range. They do however have a time when they reach past their vocal peak, as with good vocalists.
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Even still..there are people we previously thought of as good that turned out to be less technically adequate than TaeYeon...I'm looking at you Jea. TaeYeon may not be an amazing vocalist, but she's no where near bad either so I feel we shouldn't exaggerate how she is vocally. Resonance on C5/C#5 and below really isn't bad lol especially when so many sopranos strain/flop on those on a regular basis lol. I'm not trying to start a huge debate or come off as defensive, but yeah.

im just giving credit to where it's due in all honesty. it might've been the tone i used that made yall feel this way but you're right she's not bad at all in the context of k-pop vocals standards, but as a soprano i beg to differ, which is what i was discussing about. it takes a certain amount of skill for someone like her to be able to have a few amazingly well-placed sound on C5's regardless of her natural fach, so I was def not downplaying her vocally in that sense. 

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I was awaiting such a video so I can get to know her !! thanks !

EDIT : I feel slayed omg I did never know she's that good ! 
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there aren't much examples for some notes in the video but could her supported range be considered as F3/F#3 - F#5/G5 ?
and do you have a link of that full studio thing with her and Sohyang ? 

You're welcome! I am not sure about her lower end being F3...probably, but from what I've seen, she is consistent up to ~F#5/G5. Which is completely fine because her resonance slays so much. She rarely uses her head voice and I suspect it might be relatively lacking in development due to the fact that her upper mixed belts are not as perfectly coordinated nor as balanced as her midbelts. Also, notice that her head voice is not pure sometimes as it has a small amount of chest tones, which might be due to her vocal weight (Patti Labelle has the similar issue). Still a great vocalist, though.

 

http://youtu.be/uMSV8NlxHH8

Get your life!

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I only judged her lower range based on those few notes, her F3 seems a bit nice but like I can't tell at all if she consistently can do well there so I hada bet of F3/F#3, and yeah I noticed that non pure quality of her head voice like in her F#5 of I will always love you, but I'm still slayed because of her mixed range it's much better than I expected since I don't listen to her at all, and I love the way she uses her hands and facial/mouth actions on her belts :rolleyes:

I like it too, lol. Aside from being a great vocalist, she's known to be a great interpreter, so she often uses visual effects such as those hand movements, gestures, facial actions (e.g /purposely/ shaking her jaw at times to add a dramatic effect on sustained belts) to emphasize/intensify her interpretation of songs. Edited by suhunty
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Home girl is going to give herself whiplash..she gets so into. Her flips kill me. It's like Mariah carey and how her hand moves with every note she does in a run.

lmao, patti labelle is the craziest of them all. acts like she's being possessed. 

 

 

if I'm not mistaken, they had a mezzo in Big Mama right ?

 

I'm not sure but the two to the left generally sing lower I think?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByCi18B2PZs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV94q676wm0

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The one to the far left is the one I've listened to the least... as in not at all. But she could be a mezzo I guess?

 

On another note I thought this performance was interesting... if strange

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZaJ2qrPt4g


wow

 

I'm sure Jiyoung is the mezzo. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wybeaXFP6Q4

 

Hear the difference in placement between the two. 

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UGH LOL I didnt even make the video myself and I'm already like ugh noooo lol But Im glad, I knew she must be able to sing below F3. lol 

THE BURDEN OF MAKING A VR VIDEO. hate when this happens lmao. won't be reuploading it /again/, so i'll just annotate the existing video. 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARJ5bXkof30

Eb3 @ 0:34 when she said Nado/nareul (?), the C6 is from her cover of Tears in IAS 2 at the beginning iirc

Edit: her C6 @1:25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phtbeXRuiMU

LMAOOOO I CANT BELIEVE THIS. How could I miss her Eb3 on the very SAME song which has the F3 that I added in my video?! Thank you though. I'll annotate the video with the links you provided. 

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I don't think she was sick tho She did ok in Genie if you compare it to older perfomances, but the other perfomances tho  :rlytearpls:  :rlytearpls:  :rlytearpls:

 

 

OMG ASLKFJSAKLFJSLKFJASF rumour has it that the first class is how to scream everything above B4  :hurr:

Lesson 1: swallowing your larynx; how to produce a muffled tone in the lower register Lesson 2: the erasure of breath support; throat is the foundation of a healthy sound production! Lesson 3: the erasure of pitch; sing freely however you'd like, according to your feelings! Lesson 4: incorporating tension throughout your entire range! Anyone capable of beating MY record of tensing on a G#4 gets a free signed LOTUS album!

Lesson 5: How to scream and bark like a mad bitch in heat. Be sure to soundproof your room!

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I know but like, Ahmin was asking and there's suhunty who's still doubting him being a baritone

i wasn't really /doubting/ lol . him being a baritone would not be a stretch actually. just that a friend linked me some recent 2015 performances pointing out how much his G#4s shine in quality in comparison to the earlier years in his career which made me wonder. His technique has improved and his vocal tract has gotten significantly better post his duties in the army and you could hear more richness around his G#4s compared to 2011 and the ones before that. i know that some baritones CAN shine up there, but still

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVA_9JpVi58

2:32 for example. but then again im no expert in male voices so if yall say it's baritone then baritone it is lol idrc honestly

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I mean tbh I hope he's a baritone for his sake, because if he's a tenor, even a lower type of tenor and G#4 is as good as it gets for his mix... I don't know about you, but he wouldn't be able to compare to vocalists like Naul, Park Hyoshin or Jung Dongha...yknow what I mean?

From what I've heard, Bb4 is the upper limit of how high he can support his mix so far, although he has extreme consistency issues above G#4. But yeah, I know what you mean. I've thought about how tragic that'd be (considered how prestigious of a vocalist he is in S.K) if he was really one lolol. Btw, are you doing his analysis? Several friends have asked me about it. 

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