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I don't think Yeonji ever truly had consistency above Eb5, but if she did it's gone. Like the user linked, if you just check her performances for her new song, her E5's are mostly if not always strained and even in her Immortal Song performance, her Eb5's were mostly good with some throat. Her D5's still sound great though, like wow. P.S. where you been?

 

Thank you guys. Wow, I wonder what happened... 

I'm on hiatus from SNS...had to handle some issues irl but I'll be back soon. Hope yall are doing well :-)

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我很好,可是我真累了。。。我一个问题 what's the difference between 有一点和一点?

那就好。多多休息就没事了!there's no difference tbh. One's "having a little" and the other is "a little" lol. 

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is her low notes good? It sounded strong despite that low. I was really curious bout her lower part. She can go down to A2 and still had tone, so i think her lower range might be good... Yeah the vr vid was from 3 years (?) ago. i think she has improved. And iirc zhx/suhunty said that shes good now

I'm not familiar with the singer you speak of at all...so...it was probably Josias who said it.

 

1:08, 2:04, 2:32, 2:45

 

YAS. Four effortless F5s in one song!

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Lee Haeri did something here, how do you call it? Her placement changed or something? She belts at 3:41 and the 'change' happens @ 3:43
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4n52TTcMSU

Omg. Great upper-middle notes. Harry's upper belts and vibrato have improved! 

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Oh thanks! I love your reviews on the vocal blog, your input's valued. I hope you'll be back on the thread.

Thank you!

 

 

Righ! Hoerin wishes her mix was on that level~ 

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She dont need to wish when her improvements ain't discontinuing. ~.^

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It was believed to be resonant before but it isn't. It has tension and it's slightly nasal, but it IS one of her best E5's. 

I lowkey thought before that  something was wrong with that E5 despite being told that it was resonant back then. There's some shrill quality in the beginning of the note, but it got masked with the reverb effect added, as the note was sustained. 

 

Hi 

 

What do you think about Yuju's 3 high notes (D#5 - E5 - F5) here? How well does she do? Start @0:21

 

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=31&v=LUROpjSm79A[/media]

 

Thanks in advance.  :)

The Eb5 was just ok.. could've been better (in terms of openness and vibrato), but the E5 and F5 were good. 

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Thanks for your reply. It's funny how she does it better on the higher notes, I assume she has to work more on her consistency. Are those notes resonant or just supported? 

It could be because she's inconsistent or that she chooses to put more effort on higher notes to save breath energy idk. I feel like it's more the latter lmao.

I believe the E5 and F5 were resonant.

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What are some examples that exhibit musicianship and musicality? Like, a performance that has both vs. Performances that have one without the other trait.

A performance with musicianship automatically includes having musicality. You have to have a certain degree of understanding of music (musicality) in order to know HOW to make a song your own (musicianship).

However, a performance with musicality does not necessarily mean there's musicianship. Take for example a song performance containing the same musical phrasing, dynamics,  vocal coloring, rhythmic changes, vocal inflections etc as in the studio version of the song, so no changes were made in the performance. That would be a performance containing solely musicality. 

 

 

I fixed the video ! 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vBKoqH4W8M&feature=youtu.be

 

Yas, great job! It's perfect. 

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I see. Are there top vocalists in kpop that lack this trait? I mean, cuz having superior vocals would give them the skill and flexibility to experiment with their own sound.

Eta. Also are there kpop singers with subpar vocals that have a high musicality?

Typically, no. When you're on that level, you're aware of how much you can do with your voice so you're bound to experiment your own sound and have some vocal creativity. But there are some exceptions ofc. Hyorin, for example, has a weak head register (despite having a strong middle voice), limiting her potential in musicality so much. There are other vocalists who are musically shallow, so they don't think they feel the need to experiment their own sound and explore musicality in their own music or make their own versions of songs. (e.g although not kpop, but celine dion is a good example). 
 
Yes, there are kpop singers with subpar vocals with high musicality, such as this girl. 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ds773KAzrw
 
She completely made this song her own in a way that'd let her sing within her comfort zone. She mostly incorporated lyrical, melismatic and melodic phrasings in her cover. 
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What the highest note Perrie hits here?

https://instagram.com/p/5ho-ImuGTr/

And did Jesy go any higher?

https://instagram.com/p/5hnZoBuGQE/

And how are Little Mix as a group? Here's their newest song~ So glad they're bring back those old school soul songs  :rlytearpls: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KVEYbM2L-M

Sorry for the non-kpop questions  :cry:

 

I'm familiar with LM. They're quite good vocally as a group, much stronger than 5H. Intonation on point, which is why they always do well with harmonies. Perrie is a solid mezzo who resonates up to E5/F5 Eb5 consistently with the best vocal tract placement, though she has gone up to E5/F5 with resonance. She has agility (e.g good vocal trills and runs in Who's Loving You acapella) whereas the rest are decent, can go up to D5/Eb5 consistently with small/pushed resonance and support from what I've heard. And they all have HV.s

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omg I didnt know that mezzos could resonate that high  :imstupid:  I mean, we see a lot of sopranos struggling to sing above C5 in kpop that when a mezzo resonates E5/F5 it seems like something amazing  :cry:

 

You have mezzos like Beyonce, Barbra, Chaka, Aretha Franklin, Lisa Fischer, etc (the last two's vocal fach are debatable tho) who have accessed the upper-middle register where a soprano's voice should shine in, though with less ease than good sopranos on their level. And I personally love the tonal production of good mezzos accessing the upper register. Rich, thick, warm and luxurious sound.

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Only like half of what you said made sense to me haha but thanks!  :chu: Didn't really ask about 5H but good to know :hurr: Would you say, vocally, it goes Perrie>Jesy>Jade>Leigh-Anne?

lol bottom line LM is good vocally as a group, but individually, Perrie is a good vocalist whereas the rest are decent. Tbh, it's hard to tell between Jesy, Jade and Leigh-Anne. They all kinda have similar strengths and issues, so they cancel each other out. 

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She's a mezzo? 

I guess you can hear mezzo in her singing
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzrkmKfdY2s[/media]
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS_C4hvVtmE[/media]

I've only seen short clips and one performance that stuck with me was Beautiful by Christina Aguilera, and she imitates a lot of the things Xtina does in that performance, so I thought she was another soprano with depressed larynx. If she's actually a mezzo, that changes things. 

I'm not exactly sure about that consistent resonance in mix up to E5/F5, though, with the performances in these videos. She either does a lot of things stylistically very often by her own choice, or... She does have at least up to C5/D5, but I guess I'd have to look at a lot more performances. 

 

I know what you mean. She has a really chesty mix. This is her best E5 belt. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9F-hO3xvMk

 

Actually, I'm changing her consistency in resonance up to Eb5 instead of E5 since she rarely goes above that, which is fair given her voice type.

 

I know I might sound annoying, but which C#5 is better?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtKEtNpbmPE

the thanksgiving one or the dubbed MSG special?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5IlOfTbHic

or the MSG special undubbed version? 2:20

on another note, can someone put a ducktape to tiffany's mouth? her "high note" in 'you think' is annoying

 

MSG Special Undubbed version. Slightly better placed sound, imo. 

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arent all of them placed in the head instead of mask?

 

No, they're all placed in the mask. The live notes are much better mixed and far less chesty than the studio one. 

 

lady gaga is better than ailee right? Since she has a better lower register and consistent resonance up to maybe Eb5 given that shes a mezzo

 

Yes. She has an even scale from like D3 to E5, although I've heard her go up to F5 with resonance. Her vocal projection is extremely good and her column of sound is much bigger too. 

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Why is Baekhyun's voice so piercing when he sings, particularly when he does high notes(those in his supported/resonant range too)? I honestly don't get it. His voice seems to be about as heavy as Kyungsoo's when they speak and sing softly, but when they sing in a more ''intense'' manner, he still sounds husky but he's also very piercing at the same time, more than I've ever heard someone with a voice as heavy as his. I guess my question is if this is because his voice is just naturally like that for whatever reason or if it's because he uses a particular style of singing? Also, is he really just a light lyric tenor or could he be called a sprinto or dramatic one(and if not now, then perhaps in the future?)?

 

I get what you mean. It has that "taut" and piercing quality even when he sings healthily and it's clearer when his  vibrato is present too. I think it's a bit of both style and his voice, or rather a type of his resonance naturally sounding like that. That quality is present when he uses a chesty mix and relying on his heavy vibrato (and sometimes a bit of throatiness added too) in his supported/resonant notes . E.g his national anthem performance and that one time when he sang in a wedding. But he's shown that he can get rid of that quality when he mixes with more head (his SITR musical). 

But no, just like hyuksang user told you, he's definitely a light-lyric tenor (though heaviest one in the vocal line) and I'm sure his fach will not change in the future, even though his voice might mature to a heavier sound. 

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