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for future reference, please enlighten me , where did I show my lack of seriousness? How was my question different from many other, inexperienced, unfamiliar with singing and musical terms people, who requested evaluation of the performances they posted?

If you want people to take you seriously ANYWHERE, then don't do things that make them doubt your seriousness no matter where you do it. I mean, with "baekhyun can't sing, has no talent, etc" and all that crap in a thread unrelated to his singing, do you really expect people to take you seriously anywhere and not think that you have ulterior motives? Can't really blame anyone but yourself for that, though. Edited by suhunty
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I'm not sure yet so I wanted to ask, since you guys do say that you don't care about the blog as much as I do, I didn't think you'd mind... And she's pretty free so she'd be able to help out. You know who she is from YouTube.. But would you guys mind if superpianogirl joins?

Figured it was her. I was just curious, but no I don't mind at all.

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Im sure its the same girl. I dont know if she has an ask fm now, but she used to. She said that she knew someone from OH and I guess this person is you. I remember that I told somethjng related to her to Peter and he showed me her youtube channel so I guess its her

Nah, I know the girl you're talking about, but it's not the same girl Ahmin was talking about. They just happen to have kind of the same username lmao.

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Isnt she a vocal coach or something like that?

Yes. The best and most reliable voice teacher on YouTube IMO.

 

Yeah her lower register sounds like Beyonce's, especially below E2. How do you rate her as a vocalist? I don't think she's very consistent on her notes based on that video. Her vocal analysis are quite good tho.

She's a great vocalist, classically trained. Some notes could've been better but keep in mind that she's only producing them like that due to stylistic purpose. She has tons of moments showing how well-built her instrument is from bottom to top.
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I swear she calls herself a soprano in one of her videos, not sure if it was the Hyorin or Ariana one

 

Also she changed Beyonce's C3 to a F#3 in halo, I'd say she's a soprano with weight

That's what getting at. She's classified as a full-lyric soprano by her voice teachers. She does sound like a full lyric soprano when singing classically (watch her operatic videos, her head voice screams full lyric soprano) but when it comes to pop songs, she def sounds like a mezzo with how much she stays in the mezzo tessitura and how full her lower and middle registers are (not to mention that her lowest supported note is an A2 apparently). I wonder if it has to do with her switching from classical singing, though. A good number of classically trained or opera singers sound different from their proclaimed voice type when switching to the belt voice or chest-dominant mix technique, so that might be the case.

So if we go by what she claims, then she might just be a lyric soprano with an extensive and solid lower register.

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is a caprino like a bad thing?what makes it fake/different in production compared to a real vibrato?

Yes. It's not naturally produced by the breath pressure. The effect is produced in the throat by the person actively to imitate the real vibrato. Doing this often might lead them to develop it as a habit and find it hard to get a true vibrato that is resulted by proper breath flow.

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Now that your brought it up. Do you think she uses caprino often?

Not sure abt that, but I've noticed how she tends to use it at the end of her lines sometimes, when she's too lazy to continue to support and to let the remaining breath out steadily, so she just pushes it all out, causing that fast, airy, goat-like vibrato to occur. But then again, she's not the only victim of that bad habit. A lot of vocalists in K-pop tend to do that.

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yeah his projection wasnt good in the beginning but yeah I notice the change in the chorus.

 

I like his chest register too!

 

Can I ask a question? if his chest register is developed, how come his low notes arent that good. I was told by matty that the skill in you lower register reflects the skill in your chest register, so i assumed it also worked the reverse way.

 

Like Seohyun and Jessica have nice lower registers and chest registers too. I cant think of anyone who's chest register skills doesnt match their lower register.

There's a lot of reasons. It might be due to inconsistency or due to how his chest voice was trained and how far it was trained. It might also be due to lack of coordination of different parts of the voice.

 

http://youtu.be/8SdSaUOyERQ

Here, notice his lower notes are kinda lacking as opposed to his higher ones that have much more projection and better placement.

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omg i remember this :D i was so proud :')

 

 

this wasn't very challenging for him though because he was basically singing in a baritone range :o the highest he went was E4. so if even ahmin or i can sing this then baekhyun must have been pretty comfortable :3 it was nice :D

Yeah range wise, it wasn't challenging, but I was emphasizing about his projection in that range. He had resonance, good vibrato and a well-placed sound in the higher part of his chest register, not to mention he was projecting in loud mode, which was pretty impressive. I don't think Chen has ever projected a more resonant sound than him in that range, btw. Edited by suhunty
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Sunny only does well in soft mode tbh. She can't translate the similar ability in loud mode nor can she switch between dynamics in one breath.

Jessica has vocalized a resonant B4 in mezzo-forte mode in Divine whereas Seohyun has sung in piano mode in her latest musical. Both Seosic also do better than Sunny in loud mode. which is why I think Sunny hardly has any dynamics control to me lmao

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Now that you brought it up, wouldn't you think it's better that they're also better in soft mode generally?

 

I'm sure seosic does well soft mode too

I haven't heard Jessica resonate in soft mode though.

 

is mezzo forte the loudest of the dynamics in vocals?

 

Or is it fortissimo?

Mezzo forte means moderately loud. Nah, the loudest isn't necessarily fortissimo. Some voices can go to fortississimo. Also, I don't even think any sopranos in K-pop have ever done anything in fortissimo, given the lightness of their voices lmao. Most light sopranos who try to do that will go raspy (in the belt voice).

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Was the resonant mezzo forte B4 the one where she sings "ONE"?

 

I was thinking maybe her last note in when you wish upon a star, or that soft note when she sing s "when you wish" whilsts kneeling/sitting?

 

Also if you watch the last note of that song, was it ended with a real vibrato or a caprino?

http://youtu.be/1v9MRhHJ9Uc

3:19-3:21 is what I was talking about.

 

 

0:18 was in mezzo-forte too.

 

Nah, there were no true soft notes in that performance. Those that you are talking about are in falsetto and you know that falsetto limits vocal dynamics so...

But ofc that performance overall had dynamic changes. She didn't sing with the same volume throughout.

That vibrato at the end was unstable.

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The whole vocal dynamic thing isn't an exact science but basically the point is going from pianissimo, to piano, to mezzo-piano, to mezzo-forte, to forte to fortissimo. So it's all degrees of volume from softest to loudest, that does not mean that you're specifically gonna hit every note in every volume, asking who's done it and in what degree of volume is silly because they've probably all done at least one of each at least once but in different sections of songs, like in ballads, in the lower verses, then in the second choruses a bit louder then the loudest they can in stronger last choruses, the question is only if they've done them all in every single dynamic level on every single low, high and mid note with good support and resonance. So you can't really say what mode unless you go listen to every single resonant note and try to measure the vocal dynamic volume output, as if it were an exact science.

IMO, you don't need to determine what mode someone is singing in with 100% precision and you don't need scientific measurement to do it. This is similar to most vocal aspects that we're evaluating on a vocalist that are not scientifically measurable with exact precision and 100% accurate. You can tell without needing to go into 100% exactitude. It isn't hard to tell if someone is singing in the forte dynamic or piano dynamic and the difference between the subtle degrees, (mezzo-forte, forte, fortissimo, etc) is the placement, mixing, fullness and ofc volume of the voice. Same goes for the piano dynamic section.

Also, a lot of musical pieces actually contain specific dynamic designations. Voice teachers do teach their students to vocalize in specific dynamic degrees. But in all actuality, dynamics in music is relative rather than absolute. A lot of times, it's up to the musician/interpreter/teacher to define a dynamic degree. Sometimes, those subtle dynamic degree only mean that it should be louder/softer than a dynamic degree in a part of a musical piece. So you're right, it's not exact science. It's not supposed to be and nobody should try to make it as such. It's relative and a bit subjective. What I consider mezzo-forte, forte, fortissimo, etc is based on Bzblaner's interpretation tbh. The difference between his definition and other musicians is so small so the accuracy is not much of a big deal nor worth to think about too much lmao. At least, the difference between piano and forte should be absolute, easy to tell and the same for everyone.

 

actually that last note sounds like head voice doesn't it?

 

Also that note at 3:19-3:21 is an A4 unless you'rd talking about the last resonant note which is B4? So you'd say she resonated 3 notes here?

 

What makes a mezzo forte different from her usual belts, or contemporary belts or some sort?

Thanks

Doesn't sound like HV to me. The clarity wasn't there.

Yes, I was talking about that B4.

Her usual belts are more in forte. Mezzo-forte notes are higher in placement, brighter in mixing and of course, smaller in volume.

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Please answer this question T.T

 

What do you guys think about rock/hard rock/heavy metal singers? Is there anyone good or decent? Have you heard Axl Rose, Steven Tyler or Mick Jagger? What about Paul Mccartney? Thank you.

Steve Perry, well...was. His technique was amazing. I don't think anyone in rock music comes close.

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You're just mentioning him or did you think they said Steve Perry when they said Steven Tyler? Cuz I thought of him too but since sicaboo didn't mention his name I was like well. LOL

 

Yes Steve Perry was pretty fucking awesome. lol as suhunty pointed out

Just mentioning him lol. Not into rock but I've seen some performances of his and I was more than impressed by how well-placed his voice was in the mask and how evenly mixed it was, hence the flexibility and ease. His vibrato was great too.

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