Official Vocals thread (READ OP FIRST)

[lepidoptery]

His range from what I've heard is like what..? A2 ~ G#4 ~ C6?

Yeah, but G#4 is like a fake high note by kpop standards, even if the poor guy is a baritone.

[lepidoptery]

I mean it's pretty high, have you ever heard me sing G#4? LOL The highest note you'll find me mixing in my videos is G4 lol John Park's highest note is F#4 lol 

And when V hits that G#4, it's, like, alright.  It's not like the crying death-wail of, er, Jimin, or Jin, or whoever it is.  So I can't see how that person is talking about that.  It doesn't sound horrifically high on him because the struggle isn't all there.  (I mean, unless this is some new development since the D&W album, as I haven't heard anything since then aside from Fire.  Or unless the struggle is more evident during lives....)

[lepidoptery]

I'm in tears omdkfsjghdskj

I actually really like the song Hormone War but the first time I saw the lyrics I was like "this is a song about how girls make their dicks hard" and then I was thinking about Ji(whatever)'s adlibs at the end and was like "is this supposed to be how he sounds during orgasm...?"

 

Wait whose opinion was that? lol 

What opinion were you wondering about?

 

They're both main vocals. 

lol, that wasn't the question... they were just asking if there was anything more you could tell them now about Leo/Ken

[lepidoptery]

.... Mariah is still a Soprano

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You also said Xtina is a fake mezzo... though I can't always tell when you're trolling.

[lepidoptery]

Yes Tiffany >>>>>>>>>> everyone, Beyonce wishes

 

Lol yeah APink is under A Cube which was like a sublabel(?) of Cube, but then A Cube changed their name to something else and became independent

A Cube became an independent sublabel of Loen as Plan A Ent.  I guess Loen just bought out Cube's shares (and then some?)

[lepidoptery]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf_sgHAjpYc

Are there some backing vocalists here?  Like at 4:43, "oehwaryeo seo" (I am making this up) it sounds really different than how Lee Hi sang "hajima" just before it.

[lepidoptery]

yes there are, 

 

you can see them in the back

They seem to have a much cleaner delivery than Lee Hi, but maybe that's just the choral effect.

 

I just found out that this singer is the original singer of this song. Mess. Big mess. 

The rocker dude?  I kind of figured he would have been... it seemed like a tribute/collab sort of situation.

[lepidoptery]

I don't know how to answer that actually

Wasn't Bom like decent before debut?

Colloquially, maybe... I think Ahmin said she was average once.

[lepidoptery]

Done~

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9EQioOFr9c

Just a thought... it would be a lot more work, but I feel like these VR videos would be more helpful if the (preferably romanized) lyrics were on the screen with the relevant syllable highlighted somehow, because I lose track of what note I'm waiting around for and have to pause to play it on a virtual keyboard... also, this wouldn't be as much work, but it would be nice to know what notes are actually falsetto and which are head voice?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX8KeP77qKQ

Poor Choa in good luck, she sounds so constricted

Props to them for singing live though

4:56 was... interesting.

 

Probably a good call for them to sing the harmony instead of the melody on the chorus....

 

Isn't ChoA always doing weird things with her tongue?  Someone linked a radio show perf and pointed it out not so long ago. :pPpPpPp  It makes me want there to always be closeups on her face so I can see what's going on there. ^^;;  (Or an MRI!  ... but it was hard for me to parse what was going on with the opera singer's MRI... particularly the tongue.)

[lepidoptery]

I'm pretty sure Choa does it stylistically to make her voice seem more mature or "tougher" somehow. Because while I've heard her have tongue tension before I don't remember her ever sounding like that.

 

As for the MRI scan I was going to ask too... the comments say there's a lot of tension, and you can see his tongue rise quite a bit but that might also be natural? He didn't sound as powerful or free as most Opera singers, but idk if it was due to poor technique or if it was due to singing inside a MRI scanner while lying down?

I feel like she has to be doing it on purpose, since it... just looks so weird, like her tongue is flopping over on her bottom teeth, which doesn't seem at all useful or intuitive?  So I can't tell what effect she thinks she's getting out of it, since I'm not sure I can even do that on purpose.  (I don't know if my tongue is in the right place for singing anyway, I'd never really thought about it beyond enunciation until the concept of "tongue tension" came up here. XD)

 

(Or maybe it's totally not on purpose, and her efforts in the radio perf are what it looks like when she's trying to avoid something like that?  IIRC she was doing a very different weird thing with her tongue then.)

Edited May 19, 2016 by lepidoptery

[lepidoptery]

omg no tongue tension 2:35  :rlytearpls:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5jvEGFy7QA

There's so much backtrack, though... and so much backtrack harmony on top of the parts they're actually supposed to be singing....

[lepidoptery]

really? I thought this mbc show was 100%? Didn't they ban lipsynching?

It seems that was revived from articles last year where they totally did not 100% ban lipsynching or having backtracks, but there hasn't been any more recent developments.  I think the actual outcome was more like... they can't pretend to sing lines they aren't actually singing, but they can have lots of backtrack to support them.  There's more than one voice singing (both harmonies and unison) when they're pretending it's one particular girl's line, and even with Jimin's rap you can see she's not saying certain parts that the backtrack is filling in for her ("Queen" is one of the most obvious parts but there were others).

 

EDIT: in other words, if there's a part that's wholly backtrack and they're not singing, they're not supposed to move their mouths along to it. >.>;;;  That's how lipsynching was banned.

Edited May 21, 2016 by lepidoptery

[lepidoptery]

So is it worth watching?

It's definitely worth reading, anyway.  If you can get your hands on them, the older round of scanlations are from when the dude was practically on his deathbed and his art got amusingly scribbly around that time (he got better!  And keeps going on vacation now. ^^;;;)

 

I haven't seen much of it, but definitely go for the new version of the anime rather than the old, 'cause old Studio Pierrot just does not age well.

 

That's the only Kool-aid is made lol. I've never seen it made any other way. To make kool-aid is like balancing a chemical equation, it is literally applied chemistry. If you don't get the powder to water to sugar ratio correct it's nasty. So you might have just had some bad kool-aid.

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We have the technology.  :imstupid:

[lepidoptery]

Haruko's new analysis!

 

Vocal Range
B2 ~ E6 (3 Octaves, 2 notes and 1 semitone)
Supported Range
N/A

Voice Type

Light Lyric Tenor

Read more by clicking the link here!

• Registers are somewhat equal in development

Aw yiss, it's that Henry non-strength!  ... although his strengths are a bit more convincing compared to Henry's.  (Then again, in comparison, Henry apparently has better pitch and has not declined, whereas Leo used to sing with a more neutral larynx pre-debut so theoretically has....)

 

EDIT: and apparently she already said henry > leo somewhere....  (So then, Jimin/Jin?!?!!)

Edited May 24, 2016 by lepidoptery

[lepidoptery]

Why does it sound like Haeri was the vocal standard? Lol

shut up.

lol, well, at least unlike certain others, I don't think Haeri was ever particularly overestimated....

[lepidoptery]

You're overthinking it because it's not that real. It's an exaggeration, a hyperbole one might say. It's not really a thing. It's just a word you use when you wanna say something is high. 

Who is Mataytay?

 

So I hear your lead vocalist spot was taken..how was that?

It's kind of like asking what the technical definition of slayage is....

[lepidoptery]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgpHjz28vp0

 

Finally done. lol Enjoy!

It kind of bothers me that the K in KitsuneMale is always cut off... FIX IT. >:|

 

EDIT: What's the song at 5:42?  Is it really One More Time OK?

 

EDIT: FIX IT NOT ONLY IN THE SECOND HALF OF THE VID WHERE THE E IS CUT OFF INSTEAD.

Edited May 31, 2016 by lepidoptery

[lepidoptery]

im slowly bringing up my mixed voice i just sustained my first F4 lol.

 

seriously what is ChoA doing with her tongue omg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY8EZFXYmHY

this performance turned me so off.

"voice was full of sad," lel

 

I dunno, I enjoyed that performance... she makes weird faces, though.  I dunno if she's deliberately emoting or if she can't really help it but it's kind of distracting, but not much more so than various other idols. XD

 

Really? I like Fiestar but I never noticed. She has the perfect tone for rapping   

Well, she sang significantly more than the Chinese member before she got somewhat popular on variety or whatever. >.>;;

Edited June 5, 2016 by lepidoptery

[lepidoptery]

I was way off lmao thank you

A half-note isn't way off....

[lepidoptery]

Congrats on the 100 analyses!

 

I was like "who are these ppl" but oh, DGNA... one of those groups I "know" mostly as being forever in Japan, and people only sort of seem to care when they do a TVXQ cover. ^^;

 

Hyunmin, under weakesses, "Lower range does not possess support on G2," is this really notable as a weakness when it's already written that his supported range starts at at C3?  Can it even be considered a weakness for someone to not be able to support their lowest note?  :imstupid:  lol, actually his supported range is nearly like a (merely) AA tenor, that's kind of funny.  (Granted, it's not his supported range alone pushing him into competent....)

[lepidoptery]

"Some sense" of support is not good. So I really want you to tell me when I've said anything like this about any vocalist rated higher than him, just because I need to know if I've been saying anything wrong that needs to be clarified. It's important to know what notes I'm talking about, A4 is high, F4 is not. A tenor who can handle G4 vs one who can handle C5, those are very different notes. Right off the bat, if a vocalist can't use proper support, they're not average. Average already means they grasp support within about an octave of their range. 

I was gonna be all "not good meaning good but good meaning bad average, you know?" but then you actually say average later. >.>;;

 

But I said it anyway.  :dave:

 

There's something that's been bothering me and I want to see what people think about this.

 

If you don't like your voice and yet you love to sing, how are you supposed to objectively be able to catch things on your own that you are/aren't doing well? Even with vocal training it seems like that would be difficult. 

 

I've noticed this happens a lot with people. They sing and I like it but they hate what they hear. It has also happened to me. I like my voice sometimes and sometimes I don't.

You become Bom... or Charice.  :imstupid:

[lepidoptery]

What happened to Charice?

:imstupid:

Nothing in particular... by "becoming" I mean you artificially flavor your voice in some way so you like the output, however short-lived that winds up being.

[lepidoptery]

Charice came out as Trans and thus felt forced to go back to performing strictly in Philippines where it's relatively less frowned upon, which is why it may seem Charice has disappeared off the face of the planet. 

Well, I was just referring to how she lowers (lowered?) her larynx to make her voice sound bigger.

 

I mean average means average, so on average most people should fall in the average category. We just weren't motivated to analyze them before because we knew but now we can't help but get to them and so we are having more less skilled vocalists analyzed, just cause we ran out of the more skilled ones. (sort of) My pattern is analyzing based off of debut date, I've been keeping it that way for quite sometime now. I'm in 2011 now. I'll analyze one vocalist who debuted in 2011, 6 who debuted in 2012, 2 who debuted in 2013, 5 who debuted in 2014....and some other ones who debuted in 2010, 2009 and 2008 or 2007 but re-debuted later on solo/in groups. 

That's only if the population is normally distributed, which it may not be.  Average can just mean the ppl above and below average all kind of balance each other out... and honestly, of all possible singers it's not going to be an even thing like that, there's just going to be a bajillion bad ones and a few really great ones (so like an exponential probability distribution).  So even if you cut that down to "main and lead vocalists and some other random artists" I'm not totally certain it should actually balance out.  But of course, you guys kind of designed the cutoffs to meet your own expectations, so maybe it should.

[lepidoptery]

 

Vocal Range
G#2 ~ G5 (2 Octaves, 4 notes and 1 semitone)
Supported Range
Eb3/E3 ~ F#4/G4

Voice Type

Light Lyric Tenor

Read more by clicking the link here!

I feel like I'm cheating too much with these... "slightly more than an octave of support?  Should be at least average.  Some resonance?  Support ending just around/a bit before Daehyun's does?  No agility bonus?  A little more wishy-washiness?  A-AA."

 

EDIT: is there going to be another boyfriend analysis?  If not, is that it for 2011 (boy?)groups, or is there someone else... I don't suppose you'll be analyzing AA's main singer. XD;;

Edited June 20, 2016 by lepidoptery

[lepidoptery]

I have no intentions of analyzing any other vocalist who debuted in a group in 2011, unless ChoColat decides to comeback. lol

Congrats, then!  (And no one else on the blog is currently planning to analyze a 2011 debut either?)