Official Vocals thread (READ OP FIRST)

[himi]

I never got into her songs so this might be ignorant, but was this ever posted here? (go to 3:41)

 

no idea if this is accurate. At any rate, it does sound like her style changed. Everything's stylistic, just like how there's no such thing as no accent. I'm still unsure what's up with the average female speaking pitch G3 being seen as a challenge. Demi seems to speak

 more often actually.

 

That was early 2015, which she used to push a lot in her mix. Like A LOT. But ever since mid 2016 she started to drop the pushing a bit and her mix is lighter. 

 

I'm honestly so interested in how Demi's vocals are now. 

 

 

Prior to 2011/2012, she had (mainly) consistent resonance up to C#5, like in the video at 2.26. She held a resonant (I think, at least supported) C#5 for 5 seconds, which is frankly impressive. I know that she had a few rough years for her and around Skyscraper, she still had pretty consistent resonance up to at least Bb4/B4 and supported C5s but I don't think I've heard many good C#5s from her since then.

She has had problems with chestiness and throatiness above C#5s since the beginning but after 2011. it's basically strain the 5th octave,

 

But now that she's back with Sorry Not Sorry, I wonder if she actually improved (like loads of her fans said). 

 

 

 

Can't say this impressed. The good thing was her lower range. There was a few moments that she kinda lost the pitch but for the most parts, her G3s seem pretty solid. The rest though, I'm hoping it's stylistic. The choruses are a bit messy. Falsettos and sometimes I think there's supported B4/C5s but like at, 1.08, the G4 is already like, pulled back int her thriat.

 

Does anyone have any other clips of Demi Lovato for her singing recently?

 

these may not be so special but they're latest lol 

 

the Bb4 at 2:53 is quite nice

 

 

 

Edited November 18, 2017 by To Crush Anyone

[himi]

They are both quite shallow. I'd say Jinsoul is better but not by a lot at all. Jinsoul's a bit more relaxed overall, I think.

Hallelujah- A lot of pushing throughout. The Bb4 was more opened and projected but still not really relaxed. I wonder if this is fatigue or she just never really improved at all.

 

Father- Beautiful song but there were barely any good moments. Her low notes weren't projected nicely and the chorus is just...well. strained.

 

Skyscraper- I compared this live performance to the ones when the song was just released. Quite a lot of differences. Throughout the choruses, she made the vowels really tight. Her vibrato is very laggy...

 

Her performances were not really satisfying. She's pushing throughout and it sounds like she has a lot of tension, even when singing the verses. She's not relaxing and she's constricting her throat too much lol. I could be wrong but I dont hear an improvements or she might have just gotten worse. She sounds tired tho, she needs rest.

 

The only improvement I could think of is

 

1. Her mix is getting lighter and she had more ease in the upper register compared to last year

 

2. When you compare it to 2014. She badly damaged her voice back then after touring. Her voice became so dark and raspy and she even strain as low as Bb4. 

 

2014 (That awful sustained B4 at 2:15)

 

compared to this 

2017 (sustained B4 at 1:09)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQCsGp7kkyo

 

 

Fortunately she somehow managed to retain her support up to C5 after some time around 2015 but sadly, she no longer produces resonance, well at least consistently. Cuz this is very arguable and I don't have that much keen ears to identify it properly lol 

 

And yes, her voice is very tired. Ever since her album release, she sings almost every night. So yeah it is mostly because of fatigue because all of those performances that i posted earlier are after her album release.

 

Like this Skyscraper was way better. The vowels were much more open and she was more relaxed. Like the D5 at 2:54 in the last chorus had less tension and less throaty. (this was before her album release and where she doesn't sing as much she is currently now)

Edited November 20, 2017 by To Crush Anyone

[himi]

Also can someone give an opinion on these. I'm not an expert but I do feel like there are a few things that can be argued in these videos lol.

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCkO5NLkiNQ

 

 

[himi]

 

 

 

 

I actually thought her vocals would be a little bit better since she hasn't sung for so long

 

But no, they get worse each day even when she's not actively singing anymore.

 

Even the E4s have a lot of tension 

 

2014 is a year full of inconsistencies for Demi. The B4s weren't all bad though some are strained. Some B4s were nicely opened. I don't hear a major difference in 2017. there's still a bit of pushing. She is a bit lighter and well rested though.

 

For the first video, she might have had C5/C#5 (or consistently C#5) early in her career. but for the past few years, she hasn't done enough good C#5s to say that she could handle it. I could only think of 2 times where she did a nice C#5 after the La La Land era.

 

The second video started off okay. Until they started saying that Demi lowered her larynx to increase resonance. Then said that the G5 in For You was resonant. Then I just stopped watching lol. The For You performance had some very nice C5s until the vibrato came in, the G5 was definitely strained but has better mixing than the ones she'd usually do.

 

That's just...painful

 

was the C5s in For You resonant there? Cuz some says they are and some says it's reverb. And this what bothers me if Demi can actually produce resonance or not after her vocal damage back in 2014.

 

Like are these really resonant notes??? ( 0:42 and 1:17 for 2016 notes)

 

 

But yeah Demi's improvements are just really some minor things like lighter mix and more ease. Pushing has always been her habit so I guess it will always be there lol. I don't really know why people say she improved so much in a year actually 

Edited November 20, 2017 by To Crush Anyone

[himi]

0.12, sounded nice until the vibrato came in.

0.16. not sure if I'd call it resonant, but it's nicely supported and open. 

At 0.21, supported nicely but it wasn't opened. A bit nasal perhaps, the quality is unclear. 0.25, that might be resonant but I'm not sure.

0.28, again the quality confuses me. But it does have nice support. Maybe resonant.

0.43, this is resonant, I think.

0.50 and 0.57, the quality is really frustrating y'know. To be safe, it's nice and open. Maybe resonant but the quality is not the best.

1.02, Yasss resonant C#5. A bit pushed but really nice placement.

1.10. Well, the quality just keeps getting worse XD. I can't hear.

The phrased C5/C#5s after that... they're supported and open. A bit pushed but they had nice placement.

 

was the For You C5 in the Vocal Profile video resonant? Sorry for asking too much XD

[himi]

Oh those are resonant. Until the ugly vibrato kicked in. Those got me shook lol. Oh, it's fine XD, I like questions. Take my answers with a grain of salt tho, I may not be correct.

 

sent from your mom.

 

Well I guess she can produce resonance and support a C#5 after her vocal damage albeit rarely. All she needs is to fix her consistency because that's what's always holding her down for the most part.

 

Thanks mom 

[himi]

The decline started around Neon Lights but even then she had at least 2 resonant C#5s during her tour lol. Not in Neon Lights but I remember the lyrics being 'I should've known beeeeee (the C#5) tter!'. Her technique nowadays is getting worse cause she always belts so high all the time, the tension up there is brought to even as low as B4. Sigh.

 

Mom!? I'm a dude and probs younger than you are XD

 

sent from your mom.

 

Oh you mean the C#5 at 2:41? Oh yeah totally forgot about this one. It was right after the tour I think. It's one of her best notes ever imo 

 

 

really? How old are you? I just turned 18 earlier this year XD

 

My bad XD But I'm also a dude so... haha

[himi]

Ah yes, that one! The run after that.... Yikes.

 

Mhm, I'm definitely younger. I'll let you decide how old I am lol.

 

sent from your mom.

 

Well her runs are always a mess so I don't expect much from her lol 

 

Oh wow really? I'm bad at guessing so I guess 16? 17? idk XD

[himi]

Yo is this resonant at  2:52 ???

 

and what note is that 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l2MRdaU5GM

Edited November 30, 2017 by To Crush Anyone

[himi]

Do you mean the vibrato part or the sustained 'Christmas'? The vibrato part...well, still wasn't good. No resonance, only her messy vibrato on the Bb4. The sustained 'Christmas' is a C5, I believe. I don't think it's resonant. It's not well placed...a bit stuck in her throat and she's pushing too much. I'm not sure if it's even supported, really.

i meant the sustained one

 

really? lmao. idk why i hear it as resonant 

[himi]

Well, I could be wrong, of course but I'd bet that it's not lol. I could see how you could confuse it tho, it IS opened. Not as closed as she could've made it but it didn't sound well projected. It didn't sound forward enough and I hear a bit of screechy quality to it too.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt643LhQ3BQ

 

You could use these to compare. From 0.50 till 1.50, all of them, I believe, are resonant. The others are more or less supported.

i see

 

thanks 

[himi]

any thoughts on the high notes?  3:01 , 3:57 , 4:08 , 4:36

 

they sound supported to me!  btw the girl was a vocal coach before she became a singer.

 

 

 

and this too. such a killer

 

 

[himi]

any thoughts on Jisoo singing here

 

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Edited November 10, 2018 by To Crush Anyone

[himi]

guys what do you think of his vocals. He is Hyojin from ONF (same company with Oh My Girl) I think he debuted 2/3 years ago. idk much about vocals but he sounds a lot better than most 4th gen vocalists in general

[himi]

Are Seunghee's C5  & C#5 supported here? Also is the D5 supported? I don't hear any strain 5:06

also any thoughts on Hyojung from Oh My Girl? (she sang from 3:30 ~ 4:37)I know she's not as vocally prominent as her fellow main vocal, Seunghee but she sounds so "nice" here imo. Seunghee also sang Let It Go here (6:53 ~ 7:49). She was mostly messing around though but there were some nice moment. 

[himi]

9 hours ago, BAZISSINO said:

 

i thought i've told you people here how that channel just throw notes sometimes ( accurate pitch be like 75% ) and zeke there were no C5 lol @3:30 it a bunch of Bb4s G#4s and head voice Eb5  , Seunghee always had issue with pushing she low key doesn't know how to mix and only push uncoordinated chest notes and she pull it all the way into the 5th octave , she has some nice C5s in secret garden but i think it inconsistent 

 

@0:10 pushed Eb5 ,D5 and C5 

she can be shallow but she does support and consistently too , she's better than siyeon and eunha ...for example ( in the weak to average territory)

she has at least some B3~G#4/A4

@5:30 it basic middle voice but the support is there 

thanks. i've never seen those clips. she sounded better than usual in the masked singer performance

 

also idk if people talked about this before but what note did Hyolyn hit at 2:44? Is it E5? I can't tell. Also how was it? The last note at 2:58 sounded so nice and full

Edited September 8, 2020 by To Crush Anyone
wrong time stamp

[himi]

i'm getting more interested with Seunghee lately. is her D5 really supported here? (3:32)

 

head voice E5 (0:37). also does she supports her head voice consistently?

[himi]

14 hours ago, ZRH23 said:

Ooh, she's definitely on her way there. I hope she continues to train, from what I hear, it's just a matter of developing her support and muscle coordination in her vocal cords. If she succeeds, her approach would already be pretty solid.

I listened to it again (a few times) and i kinda disagree tbh. Maybe she has other moments but that one in particular is a no for me. Especially compared to the two Eb5s before Seunghee's which had more connection, was more relaxed and less airy. I hear a bit of airiness on that E5, and just not really strong enough support. Maybe it's the style in that song, but it could've been much better even without the proper fullness and whatnot.

Oh, by the way, does anybody have an opinion on NCT's Jungwoo? I started listening to more of their songs and he's supposed to be a lead vocalist but the poor guy barely has any lines lmao. It sounds like he can support though.

 

Starting @1.42, from Eb3~Eb4/E4 he seems to be doing fine. His support in midrange is actually pretty solid, at least in here. His lines in NCT always seems to make him sound a bit too soft tbh

there's someone on allkpop who did vocal analysis on Jungwoo and said he supports from E3~F4/F#4. I'm surprised cuz the poor guy barely has any lines lol. It's also sad cuz SM promotes Haechan more as a vocalist than him when Jungwoo is actually a better vocalist and can actually support lol. They even promote Haechan more than Jaehyun albeit him being better/equal to Doyoung. The poor guy too barely has any lines in these recent comebacks (Kick It, Punch)

the analysis: https://www.allkpop.com/forum/threads/vocal-analysis-nct-vocal-ranking-ft-3rd-4th-gen-girl-group-ranking.461382/

Edited September 20, 2020 by miracleggo

[himi]

18 minutes ago, SimplyEpic02 said:

Lol that's my analysis I stopped doing them there because allkpops toxic

ooof wow i didn't know cuz i haven't been going to allkpop for a few weeks now but that's so unfortunate to hear. i loved your analysis because it's not often we see people discussing about 3rd/4th gen. toxic stans are disgusting. too bad it ended that way 

[himi]

1 minute ago, galhadineas said:

 

 

i love the fact that yuju has supported F5 once and that never happened again lol It's so weird 

ikr when i first heard it i was so impressed. she just liked skipped bunch of her supported notes to suddenly supporting an F5. i don't recall anyone doing it like her lol. i was rooting for her, she had so much potential but she regressed a bit (from what i heard cuz i don't follow gfriend). idk what happened

[himi]

 

the way he switches to his upper register in the chorus sounds nice here.

 

 

Edited February 23, 2021 by himi

[himi]

7 hours ago, ZRH23 said:

Woo, okay, found a new clip! This was surprisingly good too lol 

@2.38, flat A4 (he aint there yet) but the G4 was pretty nice! Same thing at @3.26, flat A4 but nice G4. His placement was pretty good too! He's not far from resonating at all.

i never knew he sang this live before. it's my fav nct ballad. anyways personally i like his voice the most out of nct. just wish he could stop going for that stylistic airy approach. it doesn't sound pleasing at times and it's just tiring his vocal chords lol. guy is really solid if he just sing properly 

[himi]

4 hours ago, BAZISSINO said:

Oh god no 

 

why does she sound so different here than i could remember-

[himi]

43 minutes ago, BAZISSINO said:

that basically her sound basically in the last 3 years ....at least there's that well placed Eb5 in the background lol  

i don't follow her. the last time i heard her was her king of masked singer performance and that was like... 4 years ago? lol her voice is really different now wow i used to love her voice back then. but listening to her dynamite cover is-  

 

i didn't notice the Eb5. i stopped listening after the second verse cuz i didn't like it 

Edited October 3, 2020 by miracleggo

[himi]

 

i never knew exid hani could support properly. also hyerin supports a Bb4. that means among 3rd gen exid's vocal line is probably on the "stronger" side? since they have 3 members that can support properly?