Official Vocals thread (READ OP FIRST)

[AhMin]

If his voice is placed lower(By nature meaning his voice naturally progresses to a deeper vocal fach) then yes he could possibly hit a C2. However what do you mean cutoff pont.

 

By the way Key is a tenor. Don't know who in here be spreading lies.

Key is so not a tenor... He's completely a baritone.. You can hear it in his vocal weight... His vocal bridge n like just how heavy his voice is... I mean current key

 

@plastic what bout ur highest in mix?

 

How's G.NA?

(I can hear some people mutter, oh no not her again)

I like her but she's nothing special vocally... Possibly better than like Gain or about the same

[AhMin]

Boo you asking these tough questions *Has a _/* C4? <.>

C4 .. As in ur highest without the head voice

[AhMin]

I know that <.> I'm still not very good with mixed voice.

Oh oh that's okay ^ ^ a baritone right?

[AhMin]

His vocal weight is light...

As light as mine... it's not like he's a heavy baritone, well I'm not saying I'm right, but it's what I've always perceived him to be, he and Minho are baritones to me...  I'm listening back to him to make sure, I still don't think he's light enough to be a tenor... a full on tenor at least.. 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgOd9pS8d2I

 

 

If I'm wrong, I admit that I'm wrong, but I just say what I hear and to me he's a heavier than a tenor.. 

[AhMin]

Lol, that's what Akisame thinks though I've never been classified before ;P I would assume tenor but I guess since I can do lower it would be baritone? I prefer to sing in a higher range/octave. My head voice tends to be dominant with mix so it's like a sudden transition.

Eh tenors would have a natural mix above C4 that's for sure and not naturally be able to hit E2's at all, most untrained tenors turn into air around A2 ... I'm not basing vocal type on range, just natural voice characteristics

[AhMin]

Any technique to increase range, esp upwards?

proper technique. LOL You just have to train to make your vocal cords get used to stretching up to notes with the proper breath support and relaxation so there's no tension nor strain. Of course we all have limits, so it doesn't matter how high you might be able to go, you will at some point not be able to go any higher lol But yeah just proper technique.. lol 

[AhMin]

(But sexuality is totally separate from gender identity, all lulz aside....)

 

Nah, not on drugs, just ignorant and misled by Korea's shenanigans.  Because they called IU's 3 notes at the end of Good Day "octaves", so when Daehyun did 7 of them suddenly it became 7 octaves. orz  I was listening to it at the time and was like "... but the interval is a step??!!?!??"

 

@Ahmin, lulz, you want to believe Key's a baritone because he sounds like you and you don't want be a tenor, I see, I see! XD

I think the same about gender thing. LOL it's not that I don't wanna be a tenor, I am NOT a tenor lol that's it lol so I always thought so was he...

 

lol and as for the octaves honey, that's not korean ppl, it's dumb korean-americans or translators who dunno what 7단 ê³ ìŒ 3and 단 ê³ ìŒ which mean 3 high belts basically, not 3 octaves or 7 octaves lol so don't blame koreans, none of them ever made a mistake bout idols' ranges, only the english speaking world fucks up on translation, it's the fact they are not korean-korean and don't know music in Korean. ã…¡.ã…¡

 

 

^ Nasality makes you sound heavier?

 

Key's middle voice has brightness that I hear in tenors' middle. Also, it's not really heavy. He is definitely not a baritone.  

Did you listen to the things I showed? I think if not a baritone, couldn't he be a baritenor? I think his voice is still heavier than the usual tenor singer in pop music... I mean the ease and weight of his C3's in that acoustic song... I just thought he was heavier than a tenor, so I always thought he was a baritone..

[AhMin]

Of course I listened to what you showed. You need to judge the weight in his middle voice most importantly, not his lower register...

Ik I even thought bout it when I listened to take a bow... I dunno why but my voice is too bright and it annoys me, like from C#4 or D4 up and so it's too bright and his sounded more chesty... wait so mine is brighter cuz there's more head...or more balance. oh. LOL ANYWAY. I listened and I was like he does have ease and it sounds like a standard place for him to be that Eb4 ~ G4 range but... he still has enough vocal weight to bring him down to a heavier lower register, wouldn't that count for something? I mean, none of the other pop tenors hit C3's the way he does.. oh and you do agree with Minho being a baritone, right? LOL

[AhMin]

Well, it's true.  Ppl get too absorbed in the breakdown, but in most places there's an understanding that crossdressing is not that same as being a trans-person is not the same as the genitals on the person you want to have fun times with!  But in some places (countries) the distinction is not so clear, apparently.

 

OIC, at least there is that.  I just assumed it was more SK shenanigans along the lines of "Kyuhyun is a bass".

 

(And i think it's just unfamiliarity with specialized vocabulary... ppl here that I assume are native english speakers don't know what voice parts ppl are and some seem... confused about how notes work, so....)

Yes and that's okay because music is a whole different language in itself. lol the bass thing idek lol 

[AhMin]

^ew. LOL He is good like D5 and below but those G#5's and Bb5 ew. just ew. lol I mean for his voice type, just not good lol but let's focus on his mix lol 

[AhMin]

lulz, you guys ignored my last post on this! XD  Do you remember what you said his cutoff for ok was back on akp?  Has it improved at all?  I picked through the high notes in their title tracks and I don't think he has one above D5 or E5, so presumably it must have been below that before....

 

What is the G#5 and A#5, heady mix?  Does he transition into falsetto a little bit after, or is that heady mix?

 

(Do you mean he is not actually good for D5 and below, or do you mean "for his voice type just not good" referring to "ew"? XD )

 

 

Same question for you!  But you mean the G#5 in the DC video?

It's heady mix, it's like a forced up falsetto, it's full off tension, it's a mask placed falsetto, so it sounds like a heady mix but it's not good. LOL Oh and by D5 I meant head voice wise he is good on D5 and bcuz his voice is high G#5 shudnt be THAT hard for him to be that bad. lol but yeah what was ur first question.

[AhMin]

Oh, I posted a while back asking if he'd improved (incrementally!!) from 1 of these vids; I reposted with additional vids because I finally went through the tumblr backlog and had them on hand (and knew chocopan is supposedly around). ^^;;

 

Still confused, ahhhhmin, why can't you use more punctuation???? XD;;;

 

So...

 

When he goes "whoa" for G#5 and A#5, that is a heady mix, and it is ugh, but then he goes "ooh" on a bunch of notes, is that no longer heady mix?  Is it falsetto or head voice, and is it good?  And then, what seems to be his cutoff for good (or even just OK) in mix?

Okay so heady mix is basically head voice with a mask placement, so it sounds like mix voice but it's done with head voice. So whatever it was, it was part of his head voice, not head placed, but mask placed. Because it was mask placed that high, it causes it to be more tense and he made it very tense. But like the G#4 was mixed and it wasn't bad but then whatever he did after really high in his reinforced falsetto or heady mix or whatever you wanna call it, I don't honestly care what it was, it just wasn't good but then when he came back down, it wasn't so bad, not so tense at least.

[AhMin]

 

 

she sounds nice, but kind of nasal idk. what do y'all think?

I liked it actually, not that bad

[AhMin]

Even those really tense whistles ?

yeah, I mean whistles arent easy to do anyway lol I mean they weren't good but she didn't whistle that much

[AhMin]

I know...but it was SO tense..

It was just at the end lol and it's just whistle, it's not such an important part of the voice anyway

 

So... he should work on his head placement?  Unless I guess he wanted it to sound like mix, only he's currently not good enough to pull it off?  (So if it's what he's aiming for, he doesn't need to work on head placement, he just needs to work on making it less tense?)

 

What G#4 are you talking about?  (And did you watch both DC and NYC?)

I did and I think it was the G#4 in the first one right before the G#5, he sustained it. and I dunno tbh, he could work on anything really, tension would be the best, it's easier to have less volume and head place it, but it's possible to mask place it too, it's just a lot harder lol and yeah I mean he is not that great so it's a hard attempt anyway

[AhMin]

Well, if she is going to use it as much as she does, she work on making it less tense.

Of course~ But it was a detail more than a huge fail

[AhMin]

wow really? i used to stan leona too lol. how are ariana's vocals overall?

She tries to do more than she is capable of. She's like good at mixing, but she isn't as musical as she thinks she is.. But she's not a bad vocalist either.

 

Yes. Nasal. The whistles where tense.

 

You can hear she has breath support issues.

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It is a huge fail because the whistle notes are meant to be a climactic part of the song.

She is trying to show off her voice and fails.

 

Also she uses whistle in majority of what she sings(And she has so many fails) so of course she would need fix it.

K.

 

Well, yeah, of course he has everything to work on XD  But I just meant if he wants it to sound like mix, I guess he still needs to do that with mask placement rather than head placement, no?  So for that specifically he'd need to work on tension....

 

Hm, what about the C#5 at the end?

 

In the SF vid, are the C#5s and D#5s he's doing instead of the G#5 etc. he did in NYC/DC head placement?

I dunno, I didn't listen, I can listen later.. lol 

[AhMin]

I see I see :P (sorry for late reply btw)

 

E2 feels like my soul is crushing, so low <.>

it's cool and it's low for me too! lol

 

@Drew, so wait by good, I don't see Demi as Ailee good, but she's like Tier 2 ~ 1 level isn't she? It's the impression I get from how Peter talks bout her

[AhMin]

Ariana doesn't even use legitimate whistles anyway, they are more of a tensed falsetto. Horrendously airy.

 

What have I been saying about Ariana being barely decent? I've been ranting about her on twitter and YT ever since that faux Mariah Carey song "The Way" came out. Girl's sense of pitch is laughable.

Eh I love The Way tbh. but I was just gonna say, you're being a tad bit biased by calling her Whistle bad bcuz it's yknow airy. Mariah's whistle and head voice are the airiest things I've ever heard. Srsly, her whistle is really airy. The difference is that Mariah's whistle isn't tense like Ariana's.

[AhMin]

Difference is Ariana's actually using a tensed falsetto which is really airy, while Mariah is actually using a whistle. FYI Her whistles aren't that airy, go take your ears to Emotions. I might be a little biased, but that's because I'm a huge Queen MC stan. At least Mariah uses HV while Ariana uses falsetto. Btw wtf is your point, exactly?

I don't know, it was because you said it was airy. I mean Mariah's head voice is usually airy. Actually could you explain something to me? If a falsetto is an airy head voice, how come Mariah's HV is considered HV and not falsetto if it's more air than tone anyway?

[AhMin]

Wtf? If Mariah's head voice was airy, then it'd be disconnected. Clearly that's not the case, so idk what you were on about Ahmin...It's just underdeveloped.

 

WTF are you talking about? A Head voice cannot be airy, if it's airy it is disconnected meaning it is falsetto. Mariah's head voice is UNDERDEVELOPED not airy! Underdeveloped means that it sounds lighter than a developed one.

so this is not airy?

[AhMin]

The "airiness" is stylistic.

Okay so when I say airiness is stylistic, I'm wrong, but it's okay when you say it. Fine with me, but then if it's airy, how come it's not falsetto? Like I'm honestly asking, I thought an airy head voice = falsetto, so if that was airy, that was theoretically falsetto, no? Unless you can make a head voice airy without turning it into falsetto? 

[AhMin]

Who said that was head voice?

well I never said it was head voice, HENCE IM ASKING if she uses "head voice" how come it's airy? Oh wait so that was falsetto, you mean. Well then... doesn't that bring us back to my point from before?!

[AhMin]

Can you even tell the difference between a falsetto and a head voice? In that video Mariah isn't even using a head voice, she's using falsetto for a syllogistic choice. When have you ever said airiness is stylistic? "Fine with me" stop acting like a victim. 

 

You used that video to refute our statement that her HV is not airy...

 

She was not using head voice...it's falsetto.

Okay, what I said is, to me I'd call what she uses falsetto, but you guys say she has a head voice, to me it was falsetto, so I logically asked if that's head voice, why is it airy? Well it was airy cuz it's falsetto. Most of the time mariah uses falsetto. Hence me saying her head voice is airy, isn't technically wrong since whatever Falsetto is still a subgroup of what head voice is, in voice placement words (it's not mix and it's not chest, it's a different kind of head voice with a specific name to it) I didn't mean to even start a fight but I couldn't even ask a question without getting people worked up like what. Just what. That video proved my point that yes there's airiness, so it was stylistic? Cool but it was still falsetto. Her whistle, it can be very often airy. Just saying, you're acting like I don't mariah carey.

[AhMin]

Just because she has a head voice does not mean she never uses falsetto.

I only remember her using a clean head voice once in dream lover at the end of the song and I honestly loved it. I was just asking but lol like idek what to say tbh..