Official Vocals thread (READ OP FIRST)

[lepidoptery]

Jaeyoon and Melanie <3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLtgfD5mldU

Wasn't Jaeyoon only in Chocolat for 5 seconds?

 

Is she something other than an LLS?  She sounds a little fuller than the others, but not by that much, I guess....

 

EDIT: looked up Black Tinkerbell lyrics for the first time... I thought "my Peter Pan" was "might be perfect" orz

Edited December 14, 2015 by lepidoptery

[lepidoptery]

Is Solar from MAMAMOO AA-Competent or just AA?
BTW, what do you guys think about Nine Muses' Sojin? Would you say she's the best singer out of the vocal line?

This wording means that she's part of the vocal line.  You need to say "outside of the vocal line" or you'll confuse people.

[lepidoptery]

Wondering if BTS is the group with the most baritones. V and Jin really give me a Yoochun-y vibe with their voices.

I think, especially proportionally, it's b.a.p (6 members).  Yongguk, Himchan, Youngjae, and Zelo are all baritones (sez Ahmin).  If you ignore the rappers, then it's still 50% baritones.  (Or are all of BTS's rappers baritones?)

Edited December 23, 2015 by lepidoptery

[lepidoptery]

Oh yeah I was trying to think about it and I was like "Damn I remember there was a group with a bunch of baritones.." BTS does have rapper baritones though. 

All three of them?

 

Randomly saw this thing with Zelo singing today (starting 1:33)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2On_iYSoUI

 

Starts on B2, which doesn't seem like a terrible struggle.  He hits E4s which certainly do seem like a switch has flipped.  So I guess that's a baritone indeed....

[lepidoptery]

Oh my god... 9 new analyses for Christmas!  :ahmagah:  Best Christmas gifts ever! I want to thank Ahmin, VT Evil Queen and Haruko for their surprise presents!  :rlytearpls:

lol yes, thank you all for your hard work~  :chu:

 

Poor haruko... that struggle to find "strengths" for Henry....

Strengths/Achievements

• Each register is even in development
• Voice has not seen any form of decline over the years

Weaknesses

• No developed registers

Equally undeveloped registers, yaaaaaaaaassss!  Has avoided going from weak to terribad in all these years, huzzah!

 

Huh, so Sojin's a mezzo. o.o  Two mezzo analyses at once, whoo~

Edited December 25, 2015 by lepidoptery

[lepidoptery]

Guys, how do you feel about this?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnbSv1UK7Wo

Knowing it's Hyeri I actually feel like it's not that bad. XD  But also like she shouldn't go above G4, ever.

 

 

 

Vocal Range
E2 ~ E5 (3 Octaves)
Supported Range
B2 ~ C#4/D4

Voice Type

Lyric Baritone

Read more by clicking the link here!

It's Youngjae! <3

 

Hm, you think he doesn't try to sing like a tenor?  Oh, you expand on this later.  I wonder if it would be different if Daehyun hadn't joined the group and he wound up being b.a.p's only main vocalist and had to do the high notes after all.

 

(Usually b.a.p called him the same level of vocalist as Daehyun, I think maybe in their most recent comeback is when they said Daehyun is main and Youngjae lead, but I'm kind of past the point of paying attention to that level of interviews/introductions... I didn't really buy it even in 2012, but First Sensibility did have a bunch of tracks that seemed to prioritize Youngjae as the main vocalist, so eh.)

 

so TL;DR are there other vocalists with an inconsistent range?

Maybe lots of girls are inconsistent when they're on the rag?

[lepidoptery]

thanks ^^ whoo another non light lyric lol

Lina (CSJH), JeA (BEG), Eunji (APink), Solji (EXID) are full lyrics as well.  I think that's all the ones covered by the blog....

[lepidoptery]

probably, I'm not sure about who he is analysing 'later' but he will get V and Jungkook, I'm not sure about Jimin because.. Jimin is weak, and if some sort of overestimation arises about him, he might do an analysis to clear things up, just like how he did with Solji, but Idk he might not get him. Anyways he's weak ..

?  Solji is the main vocalist of a prominent-ish group, and the best in the group as well, so of course she would be analyzed.  That's not the case with Jimin.

[lepidoptery]

oh ive been listening to rania lately

 

no shade

lol

 

rania has bops, though~

[lepidoptery]

I think it's just "I'm satisfied with that note, but I don't feel like elaborating on the technical aspects of the execution and acoustical qualities of the note". So it depends on the note hit and the idol who hit it

Yeah, honestly ordinary words aren't always code for a certain level of technical ability, sometimes it's just "this singer did not bring shame to themselves and were adequate for their level".

[lepidoptery]

I'm sure you all wanted to know, but I am bleeding like a geyser now and my range today is B2-D6, which is about as good as it ever gets (the notes at the extremities are always useless in a practical sense but they're definitely there) so my N = 1 says the hormone fluctuations don't affect range much.  :imstupid:

[lepidoptery]

basically 2013-recent. but mostly 2014-recent :)

Considering there are barely any survivors from 2013 aside from BTS, it's practically the same thing.... ._.

[lepidoptery]

I can't even sustain that F#5 in falsetto not the F#4 in mixed voice
I'll probably just give up :cry:


Hyunwoo is and will always be my bae
I mean I can't even mix above F#4 and you want me to sustain an F#4? :imstupid: I'm having two competitions on March and June and I was planning on doing that song like to slay everybody with high notes but I guess I'll have to pick another one and falsetto everything
Being a baritone is frustrating tbh

... or you could just sing it in a lower key....

Edited February 9, 2016 by lepidoptery

[lepidoptery]

 

 

... I find the middle picture selection kind of unfortunate-looking....

 

... shown good improvement throughout his career to wind up at weak?  Welp.  Well, he was like a(n untrained) fetus at debut, but still.  He always sounds suuuuuuuper nasal, though somewhere deep inside I'm always prepared for that not to count as harshly against them as I'd think it would (not that I'm rooting for people to be technically bad).  Maybe he was better at singing and dancing at the same time than the others... or I guess he might have been actually better than Chunji back then, who I assume has also improved.  (But I can't say I'm familiar with Chunji's voice at all.)

[lepidoptery]

 

 

Ahmin, have you been checking out b.a.p's comeback?  I thought you might because of daejae's cuteness.  The glory note in Feel So Good is a mere A#4!!!!  MAYBE SOME IMPROVEMENT COULD ACTUALLY BE DISCERNABLE NOT THAT I'VE HEARD IT.

 

EDIT: oh, so Kingdom also has A#4 glory notes... and then a C#5 but I assume we won't talk about it. >.>;;

 

Hello~ I just saw this on the Jessica thread.

 

http://www.allkpop.com/article/2016/02/dana-reveals-she-used-to-be-vocal-trainer-of-yoona-jessica-seohyun-and-sulli

 

She was also asked if she got mad at her students when they were unable to keep up. Dana responded, "I don't get mad at them. I don't let them notice that they are falling behind. For example, Jessica had the habit of not being able to project. So I fixed it by teaching her to sing pushing her back forward. Afterwards, Jessica was able to find her own color." 

 

What does she mean by pushing her back forward?

I thought "pushing her back forward" had nothing to do with singing technique at all... I thought it was referring to "falling behind".  Just a statement about her philosophy as a teacher, don't let the student know they're not up to snuff, just plug away at them until they work it out.

 

... very belatedly....

Edited March 5, 2016 by lepidoptery

[lepidoptery]

This Richard Parkers girl might be a contralto

Is there any consistent treatment for transsexual persons as far as vocal considerations go?  I imagine the outcome varies hugely depending on age of transition... just thought about this because the name is male, but there's actually an MTF in an active kpop girlgroup I just learned about today.  I guess you just look for where their passagi are like usual and go from there?

[lepidoptery]

So the other vocalist from History was shown to me. Any opinions on his voice type?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C7MGqTqYas&feature=youtu.be

He feels kind of... light around G#4, and actually throughout the song which is mostly 4th octave, I think.  If it's not stylistic, maybe a baritone?  I tried to look up some history songs and he has a solo that is half rapping and half A3. >.>;;  Pretty inconclusive.  I want to hear him singing lower 3rd octave and upper 2nd.

[lepidoptery]

When I heard him talk I was like BARITONE! Then he started singing and was singing constantly around G#4 with a throaty somewhat thick voice but light approach and it confused me. I wanna say he's a baritone myself, but I'm not entirely sure. 

After Youngjae I am suspicious about every male that sounds light on not-so-high notes... maybe they are just tenors with a light voice... or maybe they are very heady or in falsetto already because they are baritones.  You don't have examples of him singing higher and lower?

[lepidoptery]

Anyone else try and guess the level of the singer as they're reading on? I guessed right lol

I saw the supported range was just a bit more than an octave and thought A-AA was possible.  Daehyun is my reference for AA and Kevin seems to lose support slightly before Daehyun does... but then Ahmin never says anything about resonance so it seemed unpromising (also if Kevin is second best in UKISS the odds of him being AA is very low.)  So by the end I figured A.

[lepidoptery]

You're tone production is bad, but it can stand to be fuller because it doesn't really have enough depth. The sound isn't completely focused in the mask(cheekbone area) so it makes your voice come off as immature, you're young so I'm not saying sound like an old man, but have more unf to the voice. Your soft palate is also lowered so that sounds to me that your breathing could be tweaked a little, make sure when you take the breath that you feel the space in the back open up. I also feel that another reason why your tone sounds a bit immature is because you're not using your chest muscles to a fuller capacity.

I felt like you meant to say "your tone production isn't bad" but then I wasn't totally sure... but I feel like you wouldn't say "X is bad" in the first place.

[lepidoptery]

 

Vocal Range
E3 ~ F5 (2 Octaves and 1 semitone)
Supported Range
Bb3/B3 ~ A4/Bb4

Voice Type

Light Lyric Soprano

Read more by clicking the link here!

Aw... not quite average.  Though if she'd turned out to be, I guess it would have been another one of those "oh... really? ok" moments for me.  I'm a bit surprised they've never even gotten into a high note battle during even one of their promos, however abbreviated the last two have been.  Sad.  Being an older group, they feel a little out of their time, especially now that they're supported at barely subsistence level as a group and can't count on having comebacks.

 

(Hm, the not-even-average vocalists that have shown 3 octave ranges all seem to be boys... Niel, Sungmin, Yonghwa, Changmin, Taeyang... what's up with that?  Then in the average vocalists, it's b.a.p's Youngjae and Hyunseung vs. Jieun... if we go down to at least 2 octaves and 5 notes it pulls in Junho vs. Boa, Soyeon, Tiffany, and IU, though.)

[lepidoptery]

I'm quite curious... how is Su-Metal?  (... she's the one that sings....)  She has a very clean sound to her delivery compared to some Japanese pop singers.  She's only 18 (17 here).  Starts around 1:49.  I dunno if this is the best example, I just looked for something recent (and the audio may have been tweaked since it seems like an official concert recording, but maybe pretend this is what it really is?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTEYUFgLveY

 

EDIT: the audience is so bad at singing she felt compelled to rescue them

EDIT2: I feel like there's reverb attached to the mic

 

 

 

Vocal Range
A2 ~ G#5 (2 Octaves, 5 notes and 1 semitone)
Supported Range
D3/Eb3 ~ E4/F4

Voice Type

Light Lyric Tenor

Read more by clicking the link here!

 

I would love to write them as well lol But I am waiting on my friend to finish K.Will's vocal range video and the rest won't be analyzed until I've analyzed more idols so that we can be done with those. (I'll probably analyze Park Hyoshin soon enough because I'll need to have someone with better technique to kind of blow me away) 

I was like ooh, solidly a smidge over an octave of support!  Shit, he says really whiny, is that bad enough to knock someone down from average?  But he supports up to F4, and supporting up to G4 is AA... and then I was sad he didn't make it to A. :(

 

So this is what it feels like to be Blessica  :rlytearpls:

lol

Edited March 27, 2016 by lepidoptery

[lepidoptery]

I'm also very curious about Su-Metal. I'm a huge Babymetal fan and all the lives I've watched have had me slayed every time, especially considering her age and how young she was when this all started (also compared to other Japanese idols, the gap with her vocals and most others seems to be quite huge imo..). Maybe it's just that I really like her tone and delivery and stage presence, but I don't really have enough skills to determine how good a singer is techically yet.

 

edit. I'm really looking forward to a good live performance of this new song, I hope she slays it.

[spoiler][media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvD3CHA48pA[/media][/spoiler]

Yeah, this was prompted by youtube recommending karate to me. XD  I'm not a babymetal fan but I randomly check out things every now and again.  But since I'm not in the fandom I don't know where to find useful videos of her singing live with a clear audio... I mean the band is a lot on its own....  (And I don't know which songs of theirs would be best for evaluation, either.)

Edited March 28, 2016 by lepidoptery

[lepidoptery]

Okay so this has been bothering me for a few days. Can you please tell me how to pronounce your username LOL. 

is it like

Leh-pee-doe-pet-ree

or Lep-id-op-et-ree ??

[spoiler]http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lepidoptery there are some audio links for the pronunciation; I do it the 'Murican way.[/spoiler]

[lepidoptery]

Speaking of registers, I was looking for a quick reference for the breakpoints (since the OP does not include this particular bit of info, unless it happens to be in a linked video).  Wiki's article is not really polished and this section draws largely on Richard Miller's proposals (although it makes the proper caveats about it).  In your experience (if you have experience with this), how do these seem?  (Apparently the existence of the primo passaggio for males is in dispute....)

 

Tenorino:
-Primo passaggio- E4
-Secondo passaggio- A4
Tenore leggiero (tenore di grazia):
-Primo passaggio- E-flat4
-Secondo passaggio- A-flat4
Spieltenor:
-Primo passaggio- E-flat4 or D4
-Secondo passaggio- A-flat4 or G4
Tenore lirico:
-Primo passaggio- D4
-Secondo passaggio- G4
Tenore lirico spinto:
-Primo passaggio- C-sharp4
-Secondo passaggio- F-sharp4
Tenore robusto, tenore drammatico:
-Primo passaggio- C4
-Secondo passaggio- F4
Heldentenor:
-Primo passaggio- C4 or B-flat3
-Secondo passaggio- F4 or E-flat4

 

Lyric baritone:
-Primo passaggio- B3
-Secondo passaggio- E4
Dramatic (Verdi) baritone:
-Primo passaggio- B-flat3
-Secondo passaggio- E-flat4
Bass-baritone:
-Primo passaggio- A3
-Secondo passaggio- D4
Lyric bass:
-Primo passaggio- A-flat3
-Secondo passaggio- D-flat4
Basso profondo:
-Primo passaggio- G3
-Secondo passaggio- C4

 

Soprano:
-Primo passaggio- E-flat4
-Secondo passaggio- F-sharp5
Mezzo-soprano:
-Primo passaggio- E4 or F4
-Secondo passaggio- E5 or F5
Contralto:
-Primo passaggio- G4 or A-flat4
-Secondo passaggio- D5

 

Found it funny that the male voices are so distinguished compared to the female voices. XD

 

EDIT: and in any case, the proposed contralto passaggi do not align with any of the tenors.

EDIT2: looking at this, heldentenors are so weird.

Edited March 28, 2016 by lepidoptery