Official Vocals thread (READ OP FIRST)

[rfadik]

I saw someone else mentioning this but no answer lol was it that bad

 

 

Was this any good technically or any decent moments?

 

Him and Chen are going on immortal song this week so hopefully they show improvement >.< 

D.O. isn't included with them in IS2?

[Messica]

Out honey.

 

 

I will when I'm back home tonight! ^ ^

 

 

It depends for how long you warm up, you should warm up and sing like if you warm up for 15 min, but I warm up for like half hour to exercise the muscles so yknow. lol

 

girl, I didn't ask you. But okay!^^

[Onehallyu#1NiceOppaKW]

 

 

 

Edited August 12, 2013 by kongwee

[abraa]

How does Lee Hyori rank as a vocalist?

 

BoA?

[akisame]

Is fx really that good, outside of Luna?

 

 

Probably the case with some. Warming up is important, it is a muscle after all. Of course, regularly not warming up and going on to sing can hurt your voice and make it worse. 

If you don't have a vocal trainer I suggest not warming up too much because you might do something wrong and there isn't anybody to point out your mistakes. This could lead to developing bad habits in the future. This is the case for Ariana Grande, I know that she self-taught herself to sing, and she's OK, but she has this bad habit of opening her jaw to much and creating tension in her jaw and vocal cords preventing her from vocalizing with ease.

Who in Super Junior is on Jonghyun + Taemin's level?

KRY > Taeming > Jonghyun > The rest of SuJu

 

How are 4minute as vocalists? They're great performers that's for sure but as vocalists I was just wondering haha thanks

They're all bad, but Sohyun is the best.

 

Oh and one more thing, sometimes when I read this thread, I see how you criticize someone's technique for being too airy or using falsetto.

 

But what if the song's style is supposed to be sultry, soft, and sexy, and the artist uses an airy voice to fit in with the mood of the song. Do you criticize their technique for that? And what if the song is a soft ballad, and there's a high note that the artist uses falsetto with instead of belting it to keep the song soft. Do you also criticize that too? 

 

Sorry for all these questions I was just wondering haha.

Obviously we aren't going to criticise someone if they're using airiness and falsetto stylistically, and we would know if it is stylistic because they wouldn't be doing it throughout the song. For example, in Mariah's "Butterfly" she uses airiness in the song, but she eliminates it when she belts, another (and more familiar) example of this is in "Give it to Me" the song is mostly sung in falsetto/airy tone, but when Hyorin belts she's not airy. However, Soyu is airy throughout the song. This shows, that Soyu lacks proper breath support.

 

How does Lee Hyori rank as a vocalist?

 

BoA?

Lee Hyori is bad and BoA is OK (better than mediocre).

[abraa]

Lee Hyori is bad and BoA is OK (better than mediocre).

Thanks.

Who were the best vocalists in SES and FinKL and how would they compare to the idols of today?

Kim Yeonji and Nam Gyuri compared to Davichi, Ailee, Hyorin?

 

How good is Luna compared to other main vocalists?

[Messica]

Thanks.

Who were the best vocalists in SES and FinKL and how would they compare to the idols of today?

Kim Yeonji and Nam Gyuri compared to Davichi, Ailee, Hyorin?

 

How good is Luna compared to other main vocalists?

ses:Bada (good-decent, or maybe Lina or JeA level)

>Nam Gyuri

>Davichi, but <Haeri, >minkyung

>Hyorin

<Ailee

Yeonji I think is better, if not equal

 

Finkl: Ock Juhyeon (great)

>all of them

 

for overall comparison

Ock Joohyun > ailee > Yeonji > Bada > Hyorin > Minkyung/Nam Gyuru

For Luna, you mean main vocalists in her group? She>>>>>krystal

or if you mean other female vocalists in general, =taeyeon,eunji, Hyorin. That should give you an idea.

Edited August 12, 2013 by Bringthesnacksout

[akisame]

Thanks.

Who were the best vocalists in SES and FinKL and how would they compare to the idols of today?

Kim Yeonji and Nam Gyuri compared to Davichi, Ailee, Hyorin?

 

How good is Luna compared to other main vocalists?

In SES Bada was the best and in FinKL Ock Joo Hyun (is that how you spell her name?) was the best.

 

They rank like this:

 

Ock Joo Hyun > Ailee > Yeonji > Bada > Hyorin > Minkyung/Gyuri

[abraa]

I didn't know Joohyun was that good! To think that there'd be a Korean vocalist rated above Ailee

And Bada is bordering on decent but still better than Hyorin?

ses:Bada (good-decent, or maybe Lina or JeA level)
>Nam Gyuri
>Davichi, but <Haeri, >minkyung
>Hyorin
<Ailee
Yeonji I think is better, if not equal

Finkl: Ock Juhyeon (great)
>all of them

for overall comparison
Ock Joohyun > ailee > Yeonji > Bada > Hyorin > Minkyung/Nam Gyuru
For Luna, you mean main vocalists in her group? She>>>>>krystal
or if you mean other female vocalists in general, =taeyeon,eunji, Hyorin. That should give you an idea.

 

 

In SES Bada was the best and in FinKL Ock Joo Hyun (is that how you spell her name?) was the best.

 

They rank like this:

 

Ock Joo Hyun > Ailee > Yeonji > Bada > Hyorin > Minkyung/Gyuri

Where would you put Haeri? So Minkyung isn't as good as Hyorin/Taeyeon etc?

Who is the better vocalist, Narsha or JeA?

My guess would be JeA but...

[Onehallyu#1NiceOppaKW]

Thanks.

Who were the best vocalists in SES and FinKL and how would they compare to the idols of today?

If mean SES and FinKL in their days? Not many live I catch. Bada, Ock Joo Hyun and Hyori........ Bada was the better ones. SES compare to ???, cos no famous 3-pieces band. FinkKL compare to Sistar, Secret, Miss A. The newer generation are much stable.

[akisame]

I didn't know Joohyun was that good! To think that there'd be a Korean vocalist rated above Ailee

And Bada is bordering on decent but still better than Hyorin?

 

 

Where would you put Haeri? So Minkyung isn't as good as Hyorin/Taeyeon etc?

Who is the better vocalist, Narsha or JeA?

My guess would be JeA but...

Bringthesnacksout doesn't know much about vocals. Bada is bordering on good, she just has a nasality problem, but she eliminates her nasality when she belts. Yes, she's better than Hyorin. Sohyang is above Ailee, too and Joohyun is very good.

 

Oh! I forgot about Haeri, sorry. Haeri would come after Yeonji. Minkyung is OK, but she's quite far from Taeyeon and Hyorin. Jea is the better vocalist, by far.

Edited August 12, 2013 by akisame

[Silver Crown]

I didn't know Joohyun was that good! To think that there'd be a Korean vocalist rated above Ailee

And Bada is bordering on decent but still better than Hyorin?

 

 

 

 

Where would you put Haeri? So Minkyung isn't as good as Hyorin/Taeyeon etc?

Who is the better vocalist, Narsha or JeA?

My guess would be JeA but...

JeA is better

Haeri would be below Yeonji but above Bada

MinKyung is around Jessica's level

Edited August 12, 2013 by goodluck1O1

[Onehallyu#1NiceOppaKW]

Bringthesnacksout doesn't know much about vocals. Bada is bordering on good, she just has a nasality problem, but she eliminates her nasality when she belts. Yes, she's better than Hyorin. Sohyang is above Ailee, too and Joohyun is very good.

 

Oh! I forgot about Haeri, sorry. Haeri would come after Yeonji. Minkyung is OK, but she's quite far from Taeyeon and Hyorin. Jea is the better vocalist, by far.

Your vocal knowledge is just paper talk, not much different, and you obsess with ranking.

[akisame]

JeA is better

Haeri would be below Yeonji but above Bada

MinKyung is around Jessica's level

Minkyung is better than Jessica.

[abraa]

Oh so JeA was better... Maybe I have some sort of understanding after all. Or maybe it's just because JeA usually takes the high notes... Anyway I like Narsha's singing more for some reason.

If mean SES and FinKL in their days? Not many live I catch. Bada, Ock Joo Hyun and Hyori........ Bada was the better ones. SES compare to ???, cos no famous 3-pieces band. FinkKL compare to Sistar, Secret, Miss A. The newer generation are much stable.

I meant the main/lead vocalists.

 

Bringthesnacksout doesn't know much about vocals. Bada is bordering on good, she just has a nasality problem, but she eliminates her nasality when she belts. Yes, she's better than Hyorin. Sohyang is above Ailee, too and Joohyun is very good.

 

Oh! I forgot about Haeri, sorry. Haeri would come after Yeonji. Minkyung is OK, but she's quite far from Taeyeon and Hyorin. Jea is the better vocalist, by far.

Ok. Does it even matter much at that level though? I can barely notice a difference between Haeri and Minkyung, both of them sing very well and never struggle live. The only difference I notice is that Haeri has a more powerful voice and can keep her belts up longer.

 

JeA is better
Haeri would be below Yeonji but above Bada
MinKyung is around Jessica's level

Minkyung at Jessica's level? I thought she was closer to Taeyeon...

[akisame]

Oh so JeA was better... Maybe I have some sort of understanding after all. Or maybe it's just because JeA usually takes the high notes... Anyway I like Narsha's singing more for some reason.

I meant the main/lead vocalists.

 

Ok. Does it even matter much at that level though? I can barely notice a difference between Haeri and Minkyung, both of them sing very well and never struggle live. The only difference I notice is that Haeri has a more powerful voice and can keep her belts up longer.

 

Minkyung at Jessica's level? I thought she was closer to Taeyeon...

There's actually a huge gap between Minkyung and Haeri, Minkyung has never resonated and she does strain. Haeri resonates often and isn't nasal like Minkyung.

 

Minkyung is just a bit better than Jessica.

[abraa]

There's actually a huge gap between Minkyung and Haeri, Minkyung has never resonated and she does strain. Haeri resonates often and isn't nasal like Minkyung.

 

Minkyung is just a bit better than Jessica.

Hmm but does it make any difference when performing? She's never out of air or struggling. I think she sounds just as good as, if not better than, Haeri when not belting.

Edited August 12, 2013 by abra

[Silver Crown]

There's actually a huge gap between Minkyung and Haeri, Minkyung has never resonated and she does strain. Haeri resonates often and isn't nasal like Minkyung.

 

Minkyung is just a bit better than Jessica.

that's why I said around

[Onehallyu#1NiceOppaKW]

I meant the main/lead vocalists.

SES and Finkl era, only Bada that was stable. The rest are pitchy, and "sing to themselves" and never find a good tone for themselves. Bada at that time you are looking at lead vocalist level like Tiffany,

Edited August 12, 2013 by kongwee

[akisame]

Hmm but does it make any difference when performing? She's never out of air or struggling. I think she sounds just as good as, if not better than, Haeri when not belting.

Yes, it makes a huge difference. There are so many times when Haeri completely drowns Minkyung out because she is resonant and Minkyung cannot. Also, there are a lot of times where Minkyung goes flat during a performance. Strain is not good.

[Onehallyu#1NiceOppaKW]

Hmm but does it make any difference when performing? She's never out of air or struggling. I think she sounds just as good as, if not better than, Haeri when not belting.

 

Davichi is make of two general type of vocal. Minkyung is nasal as the general Korean/Asian like it, and Haeri is western that has "power" or "ohm". This is great combination of vocals. Their musicality is much higher than idols group. They should be as they are not required to dance. People here underrated the Minkyung. She just sing with good tone and never out of breath as you mention. Good tone and great musicality that why she is much appreciated in IS2. Her technique is so polished only she know where she make a mistake while other will not notice it at first glance.

 

Also akisame dunno what is take to sing duet or appreciate Davichi songs.

Edited August 12, 2013 by kongwee

[AhMin]

girl, I didn't ask you. But okay!^^

Did you just gimme attitude.

 

I don't know shit about vocals haha but I'm planning on learning lol. Would it be ok if one day I posted a snippet of me singing and have you judge it LOL 

like she said, PM me. LOL Don't ask for your specific voice type, I won't do well on that lol but I can try

 

Your vocal knowledge is just paper talk, not much different, and you obsess with ranking.

what did I say about insults?

[Onehallyu#1NiceOppaKW]

 

 

what did I say about insults?

Do ask her what is insult.

[Chungie]

Hmm but does it make any difference when performing? She's never out of air or struggling. I think she sounds just as good as, if not better than, Haeri when not belting.

Minkyung has never sung on Haeri level. I made Haeri VR video and she's barely nasal which means a good placement. And she sings open throated a lot of times as well. She rarely strains. Her tessitura is upto E5s but she can sing open throated F5s too. Minkyung on the other hand is quite nasal.

[abraa]

Yes, it makes a huge difference. There are so many times when Haeri completely drowns Minkyung out because she is resonant and Minkyung cannot. Also, there are a lot of times where Minkyung goes flat during a performance. Strain is not good.

I see. But Minkyung plays a supportive role so I don't get how it hurts their performance.

 

Davichi is make of two general type of vocal. Minkyung is nasal as the general Korean/Asian like it, and Haeri is western that has "power" or "ohm". This is great combination of vocals. Their musicality is much higher than idols group. They should be as they are not required to dance. People here underrated the Minkyung. She just sing with good tone and never out of breath as you mention. Good tone and great musicality that why she is much appreciated in IS2. Her technique is so polished only she know where she make a mistake while other will not notice it at first glance.

 

Also akisame dunno what is take to sing duet or appreciate Davichi songs.

Makes sense

 

Minkyung has never sung on Haeri level. I made Haeri VR video and she's barely nasal which means a good placement. And she sings open throated a lot of times as well. She rarely strains. Her tessitura is upto E5s but she can sing open throated F5s too. Minkyung on the other hand is quite nasal.

Yeah but how does nasality matter during performances? I can't notice anything wrong with Minkyung's singing. Her performance level doesn't drop.