Official Vocals thread (READ OP FIRST)

[Jstarfully]

Either way, they were saying it was because she overused her voice. It's almost impossible to regress by overuse if you have good technique. Sure you could get a vocal hemorrhage or smth but that's a relatively acute, short-term problem. 

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

I found it interesting that the vocal teacher of SM managed to classify Somi vocal type, only by its timbre when speaking. (And he also said that she was forcing herself to sing like contralto when she obviously can not lol)

 

 

 

 

couldnt it also be a mistranslation?

[AhMin]

Either way, they were saying it was because she overused her voice. It's almost impossible to regress by overuse if you have good technique. Sure you could get a vocal hemorrhage or smth but that's a relatively acute, short-term problem.

You can damage your voice despite having good technique if you have other health issues, like Mariah Carey.

couldnt it also be a mistranslation?

No he literally said alto.

[Jstarfully]

You can damage your voice despite having good technique if you have other health issues, like Mariah Carey.

No he literally said alto.

 

Yeah, health issues. With reminds me to ask you, are there any thyroid issues that can hurt your voice?

[Avatarkyungsoo]

Im sure im super late to this and it has been brought up before but wtf this is a guy lmao. Tiffany wishes she could mix that easily in the 5th octave LOL (loljk love u tiffany <3 )

 

He's just a tenor singing in a feminine manner right?

 

 

Edited April 15, 2017 by Kevin92

[ParkHyoLee]

Im sure im super late to this and it has been brought up before but wtf this is a guy lmao. Tiffany wishes she could mix that easily in the 5th octave LOL (loljk love u tiffany <3 )

 

He's just a tenor singing in a feminine manner right?

 

 

You're the third person I know that rediscovered this 👀👀

 

Really thin, really small, tense and high larynx on top of probably being the highest kind of tenor

 

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[Avatarkyungsoo]

You're the third person I know that rediscovered this

 

Really thin, really small, tense and high larynx on top of probably being the highest kind of tenor

 

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i was binge watching covers of Tears lmao this song is fucking great all these high notes have been giving me life 

I am physically tired from intensely lipsynching to this song for a good hour now 

Yeah i really had no idea he was a guy o.0 thanks!

Edited April 15, 2017 by Kevin92

[AhMin]

Yeah, health issues. With reminds me to ask you, are there any thyroid issues that can hurt your voice?

I honestly don't know for sure, so I can't say.

[BAZISSINO]

It's like 99% sure she regressed because she went throught a mental breakdown.

*chough* SOJU *chough* 

[BAZISSINO]

i was binge watching covers of Tears lmao this song is fucking great all these high notes have been giving me life 

I am physically tired from intensely lipsynching to this song for a good hour now 

Yeah i really had no idea he was a guy o.0 thanks!

You really thought he was a girl ??lol i never heard a woman sing like that His F4s and G4s shows he's just a tenor who don't engage much his chest voice 

[blanc_imc]

It's been said thousand time though haha Hyorin drinks A LOT, laughs like a monkey and doesn't take care of her instrument, and she did have a mental breakdown at one point.

[Avatarkyungsoo]

You really thought he was a girl ??lol i never heard a woman sing like that His F4s and G4s shows he's just a tenor who don't engage much his chest voice 

i dont pay attention like that

[칼릴�]

Bless your ears with those vocal queen. SoHyang took the crown from HaeRi and become the new queen, she is too strong to be defeated unless some legend / well-known vocalist appear.

 

I think SoHyang's upper belt range skill is just unbelievable, compare with HaeRi, you can clearly hear the different 

 

I know SoHyang use the right technique but all her songs are extremely difficult with those super high notes, i wonder if she continue belting those high notes for a long time, could her vocal cord be damaged? And she is a cancer survivor too, you can see her trouble and tired easily in some performance in 2015-2016. I think she has a good health condition right now though...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y65Vs6hT3Go

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4eQrX4T_6U

If Sohyang maintains a good and healthy vocal technique, she should be able to sing well for a very long time even if it isn't the same way she sings now. The vocal folds are muscles, and like all muscles they age and get weaker; it's natural, it's expected, it's almost unavoidable. You don't expect a 60 year old man or woman who ran track to be able to run the same way they did when they were in their 20s right? But yeah...Sohyang should be fine, I mean maybe she won't be able to sing in that upper range like she does not, but I don't see her not being able to sing well with good technique.

[Avatarkyungsoo]

If Sohyang maintains a good and healthy vocal technique, she should be able to sing well for a very long time even if it isn't the same way she sings now. The vocal folds are muscles, and like all muscles they age and get weaker; it's natural, it's expected, it's almost unavoidable. You don't expect a 60 year old man or woman who ran track to be able to run the same way they did when they were in their 20s right? But yeah...Sohyang should be fine, I mean maybe she won't be able to sing in that upper range like she does not, but I don't see her not being able to sing well with good technique.

Hi K! So it's probably different for each person but is there a general age period where people start to experience this "decline" ? Like maybe around when a person is in their 40s-50s?

[칼릴�]

Hi K! So it's probably different for each person but is there a general age period where people start to experience this "decline" ? Like maybe around when a person is in their 40s-50s?

It really depends. Not only does it depend on the individual, but it also depends on whether you are singing more contemporary or classical music. Many classical vocalist don't really start their careers until they are in their 40s when the voice has reached maxed majority, some later, and of course some early. Now, with pop vocalist..even then I don't know..I don't really know many pop vocalist in their 40s or 50s that I listen too..so I don't know.

[Avatarkyungsoo]

It really depends. Not only does it depend on the individual, but it also depends on whether you are singing more contemporary or classical music. Many classical vocalist don't really start their careers until they are in their 40s when the voice has reached maxed majority, some later, and of course some early. Now, with pop vocalist..even then I don't know..I don't really know many pop vocalist in their 40s or 50s that I listen too..so I don't know.

okay, thanks for the explanation! :D

[HotTea]

*chough* SOJU *chough*

She has been drinking soju since 2013 or even before.

[Avatarkyungsoo]

What are some songs or performances that have lots of high notes that you LOVE like even if its all strain

you're just like YASSS SLAYYY   

 

some examples:

 

Of course, Slayriah Anytime You Need A Friend: 34 D5s, 18 E5s, 17 F5s, 9 G5s, 

 

 

 

SNSD You Think - they were just like fuck it we aren't gonna sing this live anyway let's throw in Fs and Gs 

 

 

 

Ariana Grande Break Free - she decided to break free from logic and belt out tons of high notes. You may ask, why did i use a fancam instead of a real performance video? Well there are shirtless backup dancers so yeah 

 

 

 

PS. Yes i know this is bad for the singers and will hurt them in the long run if they are straining it, but it is enjoyable nonetheless 

Edited April 16, 2017 by Kevin92

[Jstarfully]

What are some songs or performances that have lots of high notes that you LOVE like even if its all strain

you're just like YASSS SLAYYY   

 

SNSD You Think - they were just like fuck it we aren't gonna sing this live anyway let's throw in Fs and Gs 

 

 

 

Is it weird that this is a song I'm using to help me develop my lower high range?

Cus like my upper high range is super easy for me to mix, no strain and my throat feels fine. But then when its a lower song that hangs around B4-D5 I just for some reason can't automatically place the notes properly and I get all strained and my throat starts hurting. But yeah I'm using songs like that to help me bridge and train muscle memory lol :P

[ZRH23]

Is it weird that this is a song I'm using to help me develop my lower high range?

Cus like my upper high range is super easy for me to mix, no strain and my throat feels fine. But then when its a lower song that hangs around B4-D5 I just for some reason can't automatically place the notes properly and I get all strained and my throat starts hurting. But yeah I'm using songs like that to help me bridge and train muscle memory lol :P

😮 That's weird. Are you sure you weren't just using a head voice/falsetto in the higher notes. Even a heady mix wouldnt make much sense with that. Especially with 'no strain'.

 

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[ZRH23]

What are some songs or performances that have lots of high notes that you LOVE like even if its all strain

you're just like YASSS SLAYYY

 

some examples:

 

Of course, Slayriah Anytime You Need A Friend: 34 D5s, 18 E5s, 17 F5s, 9 G5s,

 

 

 

SNSD You Think - they were just like fuck it we aren't gonna sing this live anyway let's throw in Fs and Gs

 

 

 

Ariana Grande Break Free - she decided to break free from logic and belt out tons of high notes. You may ask, why did i use a fancam instead of a real performance video? Well there are shirtless backup dancers so yeah

 

 

 

PS. Yes i know this is bad for the singers and will hurt them in the long run if they are straining it, but it is enjoyable nonetheless

Lol pretty much all Girls Day songs. I love the sound of Minah's strains, especially in Female President.

 

And definitely Bada. Her heady mix still sounds good (at least to me) until like F#5/G5. But it's quite strained and thin.

 

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[Mami3chan]

i want full vocal analysis for wjsn member Soobin! she's a lead vocal!

 

this are some of her parts in wjsn tracks:

 

 

and here she sings "Gee" live with her teammate! she's the one in the left:

 

 

and here her parts are at 00:37 to 00:48 and 1:00 to 1:13 

 

 

i wanna know her pros & cons! and what she needs to improve! also i wanna know the good points about her voice,

plus what type of music or genre fits her voice the best?!

what about her vocal range?

and where do you rank her in term of average or below average!?

 

i want those info for her profile 

Edited April 16, 2017 by â™”mamichanâ™”

[Jstarfully]

That's weird. Are you sure you weren't just using a head voice/falsetto in the higher notes. Even a heady mix wouldnt make much sense with that. Especially with 'no strain'.

 

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Nah it ain't falsetto brah, I just automatically mix better when I go for very high notes, whereas with songs that start lower and go up mid-high, my instinct is to push my chest voice up and I don't transition into head-dominant mix well. That's what I'm practicing atm :P

[AhMin]

 

i want full vocal analysis for wjsn member Soobin! she's a lead vocal!

 

this are some of her parts in wjsn tracks:

 

 

and here she sings "Gee" live with her teammate! she's the one in the left:

 

 

 

i wanna know her pros & cons! and what she needs to improve! also i wanna know the good points about her voice,

plus what type of music or genre fits her voice the best?!

what about her vocal range?

and where do you rank her in term of average or below average!?

 

i want those info for her profile 

 

 

I suppose you might not know how it works for us to do analyses. We only analyze vocalists who are lead or main vocalists, which I see that you know. But the other requirement is that they need enough material. 5 ~ 10 second long parts in their main songs is not considered material, especially when it's a studio track. We need substantial material to write an accurate vocal analysis, we can't just analyze her without listening to a variety of songs, with a variety of genres in a considerably enough range to talk about her technique. The only song you posted that's actually live and she actually sings is Gee, but that's not a very good song to talk about singing as a whole. Also this is not enough material to talk about her vocal range because this is barely showcasing a two octave range, if at all. We do not analyze vocalists who have only been around for a year or less. We might analyze vocalists who debuted in 2015 this year later on, but 2016? Not a chance, unless they have a LOT of material. All of those things you're asking for will be included in an analysis if she is analyzed, which I can't promise she will be, but this is currently not enough material for an analysis at all.

 

What I can do is copy-paste two videos and the answer to those videos from sometime ago:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyYWRCxFCfM

 

 

“Seola is very nasal in the first song, very much in her throat and a bit too airy. Dawon’s support is much better, much better tone production. Much fuller and opened placement, much more connected to her diaphragmatic breathing than Seola. Seola is just air throughout. Dawon’s falsetto is underdeveloped, but her harmonies aren’t bad. Seola sounds like her voice is very much in her throat. 3:10 so much better placement by contrast, she is like noticeably using better technique. 3:40 that run was sloppy, the overall approach was weak and with a lowered larynx, it was just A3 ~ E3 all pushed and airy. She anticipated the E3 before it came and already lowered her larynx on A3 which is not low enough for that.

3:21 now that’s when they’re singing way too high for the development of their voices so far. Eb5 is definitely way out of their comfort zones. 3:34 so I hear that Soobin has better connection than Seola but still weak support, lots of nasality and shallowness. 3:10 though…Dawon’s C5’s are not bad whatsoever. She has the potential up there, her B4’s in Say Something were pretty nice too.

Anyway so Soobin and Dawon are main vocalists and Seola is a lead vocalist? I see. Well depending on how well they showcase their voices throughout their careers or this year in general, I could see Soobin and Seola as weak or weak to average vocalists, whereas Dawon is either average or Average to Above Average…for now, Dawon could improve. She reminds me of Oh My Girl’s Seunghee although I feel Seunghee is the best one of the two for sure.â€

Edited April 16, 2017 by AhMin

[C.Y.]

 

The reason I disagree with Taeyang being a baritone is simply because his passaggi sound too high for him to be a baritone. I know plenty of very high tenors who can handle singing as low as baritones, Taeyang in that specific portion of the video may be singing crackly vocal fry-y G2's and relatively spoken range comfortable B2's without support, sure but I know plenty of tenors who can handle speaking range B2's just as well as he did. I don't think saying he's a baritone based off of E (B2) very (G2) day (B2) E (B2) very (G2) night (C#3) and the rest is above C#3. The only notes that were very clear were the B2's, the G2's or as you heard F#2, I could be wrong, are very vocal fry-like, soft, quick and half sung. They're barely actually hit. This isn't the first time you've brought up him being a baritone because I know in conversations between us we've discussed it and although I find it an interesting idea, I can't say I agree simply because I just don't hear him mixing close enough to C4 for him to sound like a baritone to me. Do you have any examples of him singing in a lower part of his mix where he sounds like a baritone? Because I mean even Key can handle singing in a tenor range but not be able to hide the natural baritone qualities of his voice. 

 

honestly there's so much to say to that but I just decided to show some examples instead of a long essay. First off, listen to that guy Kevin posted. That is what an actual higher tenor sounds like when singing very very thin. That is what someone with an actual higher passaggi sounds like. Taeyang could not possible make any sound like that on those pitches. I can hear his passaggi just fine. The problem is you have objectively incorrect passaggi locations and your concept of a "baritone" sound is limited by your own opinions. It's like how most people think masculine heavy voice = baritone, now you wouldn't agree, but that is the general opinion is it not? See all I'm doing is taking the parameters for what a baritone sounds like further than you do, just like you take them further than the average person.

 

you also might be misunderstanding that I don't just think Taeyang is like this one guy who is baritone that sounds diff than most others like Key and Junho. The truth is there are much more ways for a baritone to sound than you think, he is not actually the only baritone in kpop you are calling a tenor....such as JYP LOL. Taeyang and JYP are just the baritone equivalent of the feminine sounding guy from masked singer, that's all. Nothing peculiar about it to me. I'm surprised your concept of a baritone sound is so limited, I mean how do you think baritones sing in a typical r&b or hard rock/metal sound if all they can do is sound like Key and Junho? lol

 

listen to all these timestamps

B4 @ 2:48 - 2:52, G#4 @ 3:22 - 3:25, G#4 @ 2:06 - 2:09

 

 

so anyway I told you to listen to it because I am about to do the DUMBEST THING ANYONE HAS EVER DONE on this thread, I am gonna imitate the fuck out of JYP (and basically what Taeyang and many other baritones do). for people that don't know anything about me, I'm a lower baritone, with a speaking voice like Hwanhee from Fly to the Sky. After listening, just imagine what I could do or sound like if I was a higher baritone with a naturally brighter and lighter sound to my voice. Also, this is the first time I have ever tried singing like this, I have not spent all my life imitating Michael Jackson like JYP has LOL so I may not be as uhhh stylistically "convincing" as he is but the depth/vowel shape and coordination is about the same. Might be flat on pitches because...this is not my range to be in, obviously. I am also purposely straining the hell out of my voice and embarrassing myself for the sake of SCIENCE LOL. I do not know Korean so I just very crudely imitated the language, I apologize LOL

 

basically I imitate all the timestamped phrases in the JYP video here, the B4 and G#4s

https://soundcloud.com/ceeyc/20170416-125122a

 

 

this next one is influenced by my idol "Changmin Tenor" and his Eb5 @ 3:39

 

 

me trying to reach the excellence of "Changmin Tenor"

https://soundcloud.com/ceeyc/o_o

 

this is a short snippet of my serious singing below, my contemporary voice is done in vowels that are more "normal", and honestly I think all the singers you consider high baritones have very "normal" vowel shapes, they are obviously not all influenced by MJ. So it sounds more like what you think is an "obvious" baritone. Their solo singing seems to consist of very ballad-y singing which would not be done with the vocal tract as shortened as the way Taeyang, JYP, and I sing in those examples.

 

https://soundcloud.com/ceeyc/20170416-143952a

 

and lastly, my full classical voice...self-explanatory, sounds baritone af. RIP Italian speakers, I butchered the pronunciation of the words at the end

 

https://soundcloud.com/ceeyc/opera

 

my ear was certainly not always trained well. A singer I was wrong about in the past which I realized later was Onew, who is definitely a tenor. I have no problem admitting to myself when my ears were off, but it was always because I tried to bite off more than I could chew for where the level my ear was at. I even had my own ridiculous parameters when I used to listen to Hwanhee or w/e. But that has been like 2 years or over, the way I hear EVERYTHING is different ever since I met the right experts. I have had much more experience hearing singers of all different sub-types (lyric, spinto, dramatic tenors/baritones/sopranos/mezzos singing in many different ways (rock/pop/jazz/r&B/soul/musical theater) in neutral to low larynx, at many different skill levels. I can say with 99% certain that he is actually a baritone. I even mentioned this a long time ago I was told by a true expert that there are more baritones in kpop than people think.

Edited April 16, 2017 by C.Y.