Official Vocals thread (READ OP FIRST)

[AhMin]

shes definitely trying to make a bigger sound, but her "lighter voice" was when she was a teen 10 years ago, before her eating disorder messed her voice and also she got her tonsils removed, even then id still say this is her best year vocally

 

her head voice is getting so much stronger, and she attempted c6 in head voice after like 5 years! @2:50

 

 

more recent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLBisaYYARs

natural vibrato throughout and natural larynx at a5 belts! im so shook im ready for her new album

Neutral larynx A5's? Who said that? 

 

or was it just non nasal?

It was kind of nasal.

 

 

She consistently supports up to B4/C5/C#5 and is beginning to sound decently supported up to D5 and during her most recent performances of "Body Say," she's supported the Eb5's.  Her voice is easily fatigued when she breaches her limits such as late 2014 and early 2015, but she's come SO FAR in terms of understanding her voice (even though she still lowers her larynx to achieve a more "Diva" and bigger sound as opposed to letting her natural, lyrical voice shine through): during her vocal decline era from late 2013 to early 2015, her voice was literally in shambles with her voice straining and cracking on almost every note above Bb4.  Although she's got a long way to go, she's begun to utilize her head voice more and has begun using her natural tone and her natural vibrato is returning (as opposed to her rolling hills vibrato which she forces) so she's definitely become one of the better mainstream pop vocalists.  

 

I agree with you, though.  Her management team really pushed the, "She's a real vocalist and can sing, watch!" trope down our throats with every chance they got starting in late 2015.  However, that really pushed her musically and made sure she was in top condition for every vocal performance and she finally got nominated for a Grammy (her dream), so she's doing some things right. 

Do you mind providing links with time stamps for her supporting D5's, Eb5's....or even C#5's actually, because the last time I heard her support C#5 was years ago. I don't think Demi ever really had C#5 nor D5. 

[Messica]

Neutral larynx A5's? Who said that? 

 

It was kind of nasal.

 

 

Do you mind providing links with time stamps for her supporting D5's, Eb5's....or even C#5's actually, because the last time I heard her support C#5 was years ago. I don't think Demi ever really had C#5 nor D5. 

as in when she goes ne VEH er

[Celest]

Neutral larynx A5's? Who said that? 

 

It was kind of nasal.

 

 

Do you mind providing links with time stamps for her supporting D5's, Eb5's....or even C#5's actually, because the last time I heard her support C#5 was years ago. I don't think Demi ever really had C#5 nor D5. 

Starting at around 5:56 which begins with some nice-sounding C5's and goes into her C#5's.  A few of her D5's (Lionheart, Fix a Heart, and GYHAB) sounded good as well.  Apart from one Stone Cold performance and the Body Say ones, her Eb5's have always been strained and she's never been consistent above C5/C#5.  I'm still learning so if these are wrong, please tell me.  Don't kill me, please.   

 

https://youtu.be/HcqkDMxJdPQ?t=5m56s

 

Start from 5:56 and you can skip around or watch until 13:09.  

Edited April 9, 2017 by NatsuLian

[gangie!]

queen of c5

[Celest]

queen of c5

She still uses a forced tone sometimes on C5's... Damn it Demi!  Your light voice is gorgeous just the way it is, stop forcing your vibrato and lowering your larynx!  I seriously hope the Diva thing doesn't get to her head like it did for Christina at one point... She's the longest artist I've ever stanned for and i hope she keeps improving.

[gangie!]

She still uses a forced tone sometimes on C5's... Damn it Demi!  Your light voice is gorgeous just the way it is, stop forcing your vibrato and lowering your larynx!  I seriously hope the Diva thing doesn't get to her head like it did for Christina at one point... She's the longest artist I've ever stanned for and i hope she keeps improving.

she was just as powerful with her lighter tone idk why shes forcing :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5kwTG59uCA

[AhMin]

Starting at around 5:56 which begins with some nice-sounding C5's and goes into her C#5's. A few of her D5's (Lionheart, Fix a Heart, and GYHAB) sounded good as well. Apart from one Stone Cold performance and the Body Say ones, her Eb5's have always been strained and she's never been consistent above C5/C#5. I'm still learning so if these are wrong, please tell me. Don't kill me, please.

 

https://youtu.be/HcqkDMxJdPQ?t=5m56s

 

Start from 5:56 and you can skip around or watch until 13:09.

This is another reason I would not do non Kpop vocal analyses. You have to dig through low quality concert cams because they don't have good quality televised performances. These audios aren't trustworthy cause they're iffy for being fancams. To me, I hear strain from C#5 upward. Lots of distorted pushing, lots of thick throatiness. The ones from the performance with Rihanna were nice though. The D5's from skyscraper over and over again.. those were really throaty and closed. So much strain throughout... I can't say she can support above C5.

 

as in when she goes ne VEH er

I don't think you have the right time stamp cause she didn't sing never.

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

Long time no postt but just wanted to drop by and post that Lina was on King of Masked Singer!

I didn't see anyone else post about it

 

 

It's only a 2 minute performance, but it's nice to see her belting in the 5th octave again even though they don't sound as good as they used to 

 

I actually missed this because I've been super busy in the last couple of months and Lina is the last person I'd expect to have gone on the show. But wow she blew me away. Through all these years, even at 33 years old, her voice is almost exactly the same, and she can STILL resonate powerfully and consistently up to Eb5 just like we last saw her (which is not to say that she regressed on her E5s; she just didn't have any in the performances she did, but based on how her Eb5s sound, I have confidence that she can still resonate E5s like she used to). I wouldn't say that she doesn't sound as good as she used to, I hear resonance on all her belted 5th octave notes. Some of the notes are a little chesty or pushed, but it's still resonance. But I think most of the notes are still relaxed and resonant :o

 

That being said, YAAASSSSSSSSSSSSS UGH I SPAZZED SO HARD TT____TT I LOVE HER SO MUCH UGH. 

 

 

Now that Ock Joohyun is reclassified as proficient to good, I can safely say that Lina is the best female vocalist to ever come out of the Big 3 (SM, JYP, YG).

[geodeheart]

 

 

Random but I was listening to some fancams of Ailee at her concert yesterday and I stumbled upon this.....I really wish she could accept that she's a light lyric.....idg this light lyric denial in pop music

 

like yeah being a light lyric might be common, but if you have bomb technnique with great musicality [e.g. Mariah in her prime], you can still manage to slay

 

that being said, i'd rather listen to Ailee's version of this song way more than original (i kinda hate the nasality)

Edited April 10, 2017 by geodeheart

[xxYuxx]

Did Somi improves her singing after joining Unnie Slam dunk?

Edited April 12, 2017 by xxYuxx

[Messica]

This is another reason I would not do non Kpop vocal analyses. You have to dig through low quality concert cams because they don't have good quality televised performances. These audios aren't trustworthy cause they're iffy for being fancams. To me, I hear strain from C#5 upward. Lots of distorted pushing, lots of thick throatiness. The ones from the performance with Rihanna were nice though. The D5's from skyscraper over and over again.. those were really throaty and closed. So much strain throughout... I can't say she can support above C5.

 

I don't think you have the right time stamp cause she didn't sing never.

she did. like right after her last C5 in the 3:00 mark

[Jstarfully]

Did Somi improves her singing after joining Unnie Slam dunk?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoaBMfg67jo

 

If she did, that song wouldn't be where you could tell. The female part of that song is mostly falsetto, and the parts that aren't are well in her comfortable range.

[AhMin]

Did Somi improves her singing after joining Unnie Slam dunk?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoaBMfg67jo

This song is too low, she is barely singing in a range that she actually needs to do anything vocally.

 

 

she did. like right after her last C5 in the 3:00 mark

All I hear is "Nu-uh-huh" then falsetto. 

[abra]

I actually missed this because I've been super busy in the last couple of months and Lina is the last person I'd expect to have gone on the show. But wow she blew me away. Through all these years, even at 33 years old, her voice is almost exactly the same, and she can STILL resonate powerfully and consistently up to Eb5 just like we last saw her (which is not to say that she regressed on her E5s; she just didn't have any in the performances she did, but based on how her Eb5s sound, I have confidence that she can still resonate E5s like she used to). I wouldn't say that she doesn't sound as good as she used to, I hear resonance on all her belted 5th octave notes. Some of the notes are a little chesty or pushed, but it's still resonance. But I think most of the notes are still relaxed and resonant :o

 

That being said, YAAASSSSSSSSSSSSS UGH I SPAZZED SO HARD TT____TT I LOVE HER SO MUCH UGH. 

 

 

Now that Ock Joohyun is reclassified as proficient to good, I can safely say that Lina is the best female vocalist to ever come out of the Big 3 (SM, JYP, YG).

Maybe

 

Ock Joohyun was from DSP anyway

Edited April 10, 2017 by abra

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

Maybe

 

Ock Joohyun was from DSP anyway

 

awks I forgot Finkl was from DSP    

 

 

and isnt her company just affiliated with YG? i dont think she was ever trained by YG or signed under YG :oooo

Edited April 11, 2017 by MMHH

[bobxyz]

Hi, I'll write a customary introduction here. I recently discovered the blog when I was searching about Kim Sohyang, wasn't a k-pop follower other than casually keeping up with SNSD or PSY videos over the years. The website caught my interest and it got me hooked on the groups after watching so many examples. Maybe that's funny? This seems like the place to ask questions. I'll keep it to one at a time to avoid being tiresome and hopefully not re-post anything old.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdqpTN4SKXg

How well did Hyerin do on the B4 at 1:45?

[C.Y.]

Oh, since you brought up Tom Jones a bit before, how do you think of him in his current age / vocal health?

 

it's not so good, he started declining in the 1970s lol. His voice is a lot more closed off now. He was never really very consistent even in his prime, he struggled with Bb4-C5 and sometimes even A4. He hit good notes up to around B4 when he was younger but it was not always consistent, he ended up too forced at times. But still, in his prime up to around A4 his consistency and balance of depth and chest voice was there.

 

 

Her voice is easily fatigued when she breaches her limits such as late 2014 and early 2015, but she's come SO FAR in terms of understanding her voice (even though she still lowers her larynx to achieve a more "Diva" and bigger sound as opposed to letting her natural, lyrical voice shine through): during her vocal decline era from late 2013 to early 2015, her voice was literally in shambles with her voice straining and cracking on almost every note above Bb4.  

her issue is not that she sings with a lower larynx position, it is that she has constriction. I'm not sure where this whole idea of being a "true" lyric = singing in neutral came from in pop discussions but it isn't correct. It is a myth that singing in a lower larynx position or more chest voice is harmful, no matter what voice type you are. Most examples people give for these "issues" are just singers who have some sort of constriction. People that try to sing opera in a low larynx have constriction issues, does that mean trying to sing operatically is not natural? Of course not, but that is the flawed logic that most people use when talking about contemporary technique.

 

let's take Lara Fabian for example, who would not be lower than a lyric if she was classically trained (which she apparently is but I mean like full on classical LOL).

she's singing an aria here, now her "classical" singing is not anywhere up to standard for classical singing, her larynx needs to be even lower with much more chest voice coordination, but by a sort of general singing standard she is doing fine. The important part here though is that she is singing with more depth/lower larynx.

 

3:22 - 3:28

 

 

 

she uses more depth in her belts as well, and honestly she has a much better balance of depth and chest voice in her belting than she does in her "classical" head voice.

 

6:50 - 7:07

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHXpNUVEH1U

 

so what I mean is, Demi can sing with more depth/lower larynx if she wants, but she needs to not overwork her chest voice doing it and learn to coordinate the upper register while singing with more depth. She does not need to sing neutral just to be some "true" lyric. Idk why the info spread around seems to be like this, but strictly pop folk, with their once again inaccurate info on classical voice types, apparently think being lighter means you sing umm lighter...and being like a bigger voice means you sing heavier...or something...or maybe it's that they think that all the bigger voice singers sing in neutral too and you just magically sound like that, but I think there's enough evidence to show why that isn't true.

 

1:33 - 1:40

that's Whitney singing in a full-on classical head voice next to PAVAROTTI

 

 

now Whitney did not learn to do this at Hogwarts. the fact that she was a bigger soprano is incidental. Every woman, no matter how high or light, has to sing in this manner to be truly leggero/lyric, spinto, dramatic. There's not some sort of neutral-y technique that any true lyric sopranos use. Another important thing, as I've already shown a lot of evidence for already, is that she did not sing in some neutral larynx jedi master technique all the time in her nonclassical music and then come out of nowhere singing over uhhhhh Pavarotti of all people, with a coordinated as fuck classical head voice out of the blue LOL. It's not like she did that and then she went back to her non-classical singing and turned everything off and did some sort of super neutral-y pop technique that had no overlap whatsoever. She applied a mix of larynx positions like Lara Fabian, their contemporary technique is like the mixed martial arts of singing LMAO. She applied a strong degree of depth to her "mixed voice" all the time, not always as precisely as that clip with Pavarotti, but it was always there to various degrees depending on what she felt like.

 

4:13 - 4:20 same year as that performance, you can hear that even in her nonclassical singing, the depth is always there to a strong degree and her head voice still bears resemblance to when she sang over Pavarotti

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka0sgVcUTrM

 

anyway, as you can see the weight of the singer's voice is rather irrelevant to whether they should be singing in neutral, low or somewhere in between. It is just incidental that some singers happen to be heavier and some lighter while singing with more depth. Demi can learn to do the same thing, the "lightness" of her voice does not matter.

 

by the way I'm just directing this towards whatever source you may have learned this off of, not you personally LOL, it's not your fault if you learn inaccurate info off of someone else.

Edited April 11, 2017 by C.Y.

[Secre]

Hi, I'll write a customary introduction here. I recently discovered the blog when I was searching about Kim Sohyang, wasn't a k-pop follower other than casually keeping up with SNSD or PSY videos over the years. The website caught my interest and it got me hooked on the groups after watching so many examples. Maybe that's funny? This seems like the place to ask questions. I'll keep it to one at a time to avoid being tiresome and hopefully not re-post anything old.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdqpTN4SKXg

How well did Hyerin do on the B4 at 1:45?

High larynx, and throaty.

Btw where is Solji?

Edited April 11, 2017 by Secret

[StepOnMeJas]

High larynx, and throaty.

Btw where is Solji?

She has hyperthyroidism

[Secre]

She has hyperthyroidism

*pretends like ik what that is*

[abra]

awks I forgot Finkl was from DSP    

 

 

and isnt her company just affiliated with YG? i dont think she was ever trained by YG or signed under YG :oooo

Apparently Yang Hyun Suk created Big Mama but they debuted under YG's sister company Mboat, so there's no clear answer.

[Jstarfully]

*pretends like ik what that is*

Google it lol it's a pretty simple medical condition, but I think she's just resting so that they can get a reliable medicine/treatment regime going. It's not exactly fatal or anything, can just make you kinda generally unwell and if you're extremely unlucky can give you a thyroid storm, which can often kill you.

[Jstarfully]

High larynx, and throaty.

Btw where is Solji?

 

Also hold up, I'm pretty sure you can't have both of those at the same time. A low larynx is throaty if you're not supporting and projecting at the same time. 

[AhMin]

High larynx, and throaty.

Btw where is Solji?

Also hold up, I'm pretty sure you can't have both of those at the same time. A low larynx is throaty if you're not supporting and projecting at the same time. 

I disagree that it was sung with a straight up high larynx, but there is no reason why one could not sing with a high larynx and throatiness at the same time. Either way it was strained: it was throaty, pushed and the vibrato wobbly. 

[Jstarfully]

I disagree that it was sung with a straight up high larynx, but there is no reason why one could not sing with a high larynx and throatiness at the same time. Either way it was strained: it was throaty, pushed and the vibrato wobbly. 

Haha I'll ask my tutor about it. It seemed like the first two 'whoa's of that bit were sung pretty messily, even if the post-processing covered up any off-pitch notes. She's kind of just sliding between them, and it doesn't seem very controlled, nor like it was meant to be sung as a slide. Opinions on that?

Edited April 11, 2017 by Jstarfully