AhMin 5,245 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Really? Lol I thought the sound came out good D: Yeah, the redhead is their main vocal, it's kinda odd because she sounds so different when they performed on Immortal Song lol When someone's connected does that mean they are close to supporting? I mean, weak vocalists don't connect well, right? Oh, I thought their tone sounded alike, kinda like Krystal and JessicaTo me they weren't as similar as the Jung sisters. Also not necessarily but I'm not sure, Id have to hear examples to be sure bout connection vs support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhMin 5,245 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 I did. He said she's like Adele, who injured her voice. I told him that Adele had poor breath support (damn if I don't love 21 with all my heart but homegirl sounds like she just hopped off the treadmill while standing there whispering to the mic), couldn't relax her larynx to save her life, and was trying things she did not have the ability to carry out, which showed after a few of years in her career, while Beyoncé has been singing continuously for two decades and no damage to her voice has happened yet. Reddit is a cesspool. How can a girl be a tenor though ? They said "ex professional choir director". Pretty sure they got fired. They went on to recommend the infamous Reid method and said it would only take a couple of lessons to teach a complete novice how to sing properly in-pitch so like... A girl can't be a tenor which is exactly my point. This person might not be worth it but still link me lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deâ„“phina 14,904 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 A girl can't be a tenor which is exactly my point. This person might not be worth it but still link me lol What I mean is that it is a pretty damning mistake to make for anyone pretending to have a minimal knowledge of vocal music. How did the choir director manage to keep 1% of credibility after that. Clean up your PM box. I can't expose my Reddit messiness here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhMin 5,245 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 What I mean is that it is a pretty damning mistake to make for anyone pretending to have a minimal knowledge of vocal music. How did the choir director manage to keep 1% of credibility after that. Clean up your PM box. I can't expose my Reddit messiness here. Dooooone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secre 1,557 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Im not sure I hear what you hear. He's not airy though. Strained. Do you hear any support at all? I meant like JB, Taeyang level of support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhMin 5,245 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Do you hear any support at all? I meant like JB, Taeyang level of supportI can't say I do from only this clip. His pitch is nice but he sounds nasal and shallow. His larynx doesn't seem fully neutral tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messica 5,468 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Jessica singing a D3 in OSCAR at 0:30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhMin 5,245 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Jessica singing a D3 in OSCAR at 0:30 Is it really Jessica? I actually hear it, down to D3 whoever it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abra 40,910 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Tell them to explain exactly what Beyoncé does that's u healthy and how Ariana's shouty high larynx technique is a proper use of her vocal cords. He's got a point about breath, you don't need more breath, you need just enough air against the right stretch of the vocal cords. Yeah but he doesn't seem to realise that that's the point of breathing correctly/"breath management": producing a stable airflow that you can control to meet the requirements for the phrase/note. Beyonce has some peculiar vocal habits, maybe that's why he thinks she's bad, since he doesn't know about the other aspects of singing healthily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holahuz 2,585 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Is it really Jessica? I actually hear it, down to D3 whoever it is. it is jessica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhMin 5,245 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Yeah but he doesn't seem to realise that that's the point of breathing correctly/"breath management": producing a stable airflow that you can control to meet the requirements for the phrase/note. Beyonce has some peculiar vocal habits, maybe that's why he thinks she's bad, since he doesn't know about the other aspects of singing healthily.I really want to know what he thinks Ariana is doing right and Beyoncé wrong.it is jessicaOh cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galhadineas 2,027 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 so this girl is DIA's new main vocalist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhMin 5,245 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 so this girl is DIA's new main vocalist Oh so much tension and whininess in the C5's throughout. She squeezes her throat a lot. It's nice to see them playing instruments though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Y. 1,041 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 "Ignore anything that anyone tells you about your diaphragm, or breathing. It doesn't matter. Babies know how to breathe, singing isn't about your breath, it's about your vocal chords. I don't know what your musical background is, but if you like classical music, look up "All of Bach", and listen to a cantata or a few - the singing in there is truly fantastic. Otherwise: try not to sing that low, breathy female singing (I hate to say it, but pretty well everything Beyonce does is vocally unhealthy). Sing a variety of different styles, and try to not let your voice be "breathier" than it has to be. It's really hard to explain otherwise via text... A pop example of someone with good vocal function is Ariana Grande - her vocal chords have to occlude fully in order to produce those super high notes, and she seems to be managing the lower stuff well." >_> how is this guy with a presumably classical background gonna bring up singing in a cantata and think that Ariana's voice is better than Beyoncé? And how does anyone from a classical background ignore breathing coordination? <_> Even if we ignored every other part of the voice that Beyonce is better at, almost every single head voice note from Beyoncé in this video has a bit more use of depth/pharyngeal space and core/clarity than your usual singer (which is why people describe some female pop singers to have "operatic" head voices, because relatively speaking their head voices ARE done with technique that is slightly moving towards that sort of coordination), so it's weird that someone who listens to classical music would think Ariana's thinass whistle tones are better lol that's why classical technique has suffered, because the authority figures in the institutions who control things, like this person apparently, can't hear much 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
칼릴� 438 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 >_> how is this guy with a presumably classical background gonna bring up singing in a cantata and think that Ariana's voice is better than Beyoncé? And how does anyone from a classical background ignore breathing coordination? <_> Even if we ignored every other part of the voice that Beyonce is better at, almost every single head voice note from Beyoncé in this video has a bit more use of depth/pharyngeal space and core/clarity than your usual singer (which is why people describe some female pop singers to have "operatic" head voices, because relatively speaking their head voices ARE done with technique that is slightly moving towards that sort of coordination), so it's weird that someone who listens to classical music would think Ariana's thinass whistle tones are better lol that's why classical technique has suffered, because the authority figures in the institutions who control things, like this person apparently, can't hear much Really this^^ Breath co-ordination and effective classical singing are best friends... But seriously..you can't even sing without taking a breath..like where were they going with this??.. They said they were a choir director..does their chorus just not breathe??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParkHyoLee 322 Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 (edited) >_> how is this guy with a presumably classical background gonna bring up singing in a cantata and think that Ariana's voice is better than Beyoncé? And how does anyone from a classical background ignore breathing coordination? <_> Even if we ignored every other part of the voice that Beyonce is better at, almost every single head voice note from Beyoncé in this video has a bit more use of depth/pharyngeal space and core/clarity than your usual singer (which is why people describe some female pop singers to have "operatic" head voices, because relatively speaking their head voices ARE done with technique that is slightly moving towards that sort of coordination), so it's weird that someone who listens to classical music would think Ariana's thinass whistle tones are better lol that's why classical technique has suffered, because the authority figures in the institutions who control things, like this person apparently, can't hear much Yass #Slayonce coming thru with the head voice . Throwback to this iconic A5 that gets neglected after her B5 at 2:50 Oh, since you brought up Tom Jones a bit before, how do you think of him in his current age / vocal health? Really this^^ Breath co-ordination and effective classical singing are best friends... But seriously..you can't even sing without taking a breath..like where were they going with this??.. They said they were a choir director..does their chorus just not breathe??? I'm trying to understand this too like... you literally can't make sound without air passing through your folds and if air is coming out clearly air is gonna be going in for it to come out Edited April 8, 2017 by ParkHyoLee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangie! 1,554 Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWLPDkv2Wvk wow i love legends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StepOnMeJas 3,806 Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWLPDkv2Wvk wow i love legends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZRH23 1,680 Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWLPDkv2Wvk wow i love legends I wonder how good Demi Lovato is... I do think she's a tad bit overrated (no offense ) but she's not bad, right? The Bb4s sound nice, is she resonating? The C5s are...well, it sounds pushed. She doesn't seem to support above that and she mixes high very often. Some of the C5s sound okay but some sounds pushed, a bit overly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celest 386 Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 I wonder how good Demi Lovato is... I do think she's a tad bit overrated (no offense ) but she's not bad, right? The Bb4s sound nice, is she resonating? The C5s are...well, it sounds pushed. She doesn't seem to support above that and she mixes high very often. Some of the C5s sound okay but some sounds pushed, a bit overly so. She consistently supports up to B4/C5/C#5 and is beginning to sound decently supported up to D5 and during her most recent performances of "Body Say," she's supported the Eb5's. Her voice is easily fatigued when she breaches her limits such as late 2014 and early 2015, but she's come SO FAR in terms of understanding her voice (even though she still lowers her larynx to achieve a more "Diva" and bigger sound as opposed to letting her natural, lyrical voice shine through): during her vocal decline era from late 2013 to early 2015, her voice was literally in shambles with her voice straining and cracking on almost every note above Bb4. Although she's got a long way to go, she's begun to utilize her head voice more and has begun using her natural tone and her natural vibrato is returning (as opposed to her rolling hills vibrato which she forces) so she's definitely become one of the better mainstream pop vocalists. I agree with you, though. Her management team really pushed the, "She's a real vocalist and can sing, watch!" trope down our throats with every chance they got starting in late 2015. However, that really pushed her musically and made sure she was in top condition for every vocal performance and she finally got nominated for a Grammy (her dream), so she's doing some things right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangie! 1,554 Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 (edited) shes definitely trying to make a bigger sound, but her "lighter voice" was when she was a teen 10 years ago, before her eating disorder messed her voice and also she got her tonsils removed, even then id still say this is her best year vocally her head voice is getting so much stronger, and she attempted c6 in head voice after like 5 years! @2:50 more recent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLBisaYYARs natural vibrato throughout and natural larynx at a5 belts! im so shook im ready for her new album Edited April 9, 2017 by gangie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messica 5,468 Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 at 3:01 is it just me or was that A4 briefly resonant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAZISSINO 2,061 Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 She consistently supports up to B4/C5/C#5 and is beginning to sound decently supported up to D5 and during her most recent performances of "Body Say," she's supported the Eb5's. Her voice is easily fatigued when she breaches her limits such as late 2014 and early 2015, but she's come SO FAR in terms of understanding her voice (even though she still lowers her larynx to achieve a more "Diva" and bigger sound as opposed to letting her natural, lyrical voice shine through): during her vocal decline era from late 2013 to early 2015, her voice was literally in shambles with her voice straining and cracking on almost every note above Bb4. Although she's got a long way to go, she's begun to utilize her head voice more and has begun using her natural tone and her natural vibrato is returning (as opposed to her rolling hills vibrato which she forces) so she's definitely become one of the better mainstream pop vocalists. I agree with you, though. Her management team really pushed the, "She's a real vocalist and can sing, watch!" trope down our throats with every chance they got starting in late 2015. However, that really pushed her musically and made sure she was in top condition for every vocal performance and she finally got nominated for a Grammy (her dream), so she's doing some things right. SHe's throaty even On B4-C5 her approach in mixing is very heavy , chesty and pushed there no release. Where did you hear The supported D5 and EB5s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAZISSINO 2,061 Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 at 3:01 is it just me or was that A4 briefly resonant? No, it wasn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messica 5,468 Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 No, it wasn't or was it just non nasal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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