Official Vocals thread (READ OP FIRST)

[C.Y.]

Would you say this girl's larynx is lowered? She sounds really different here compared to how she sings now

 

@2:23

 

son seung yeon? lol yeah, she is doing it completely well though. I need to clarify my usage of the words "lower larynx". I say "lower" specifically instead of "low" because low would be very precise, like trained opera singer kind of precise. There are times when contemporary women actually are singing with it close enough to call it low but not always. Depending on the singer it can be something in between neutral and low, but still closer to low than to neutral. However it is pedantic to have to describe exactly how much depth each individual contemporary singer is using, which can vary depending on the vowel, performance, exact moment, whatever the deal is. From now on I'll just call it "depth", which is a literal thing anyway, seeing as how it is the depth in your vocal tract.

 

but yeah you can just go with your gut, i'm sure you asked about the timestamp specifically because you're hearing it. It's not really difficult to hear at all if you ask me, but it's sort of underneath people's noses until it gets pointed out. It's hard to unhear once you know what to listen for. You can't just listen to how heavy you think someone's voice sounds, or how "chesty" it appears, you need to listen to the way the vowel is shaped.

 

this is patti labelle speaking a B4 @ 1:13 on the word "most". This is obviously a complete speech vowel, or neutral larynx, becuz she's yknow talking LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aygmfP76s_E

 

this is her singing a B4, with A LOT of depth @ 0:43 - 0:57. For some reason, a lot of pop listeners listen to this and all they think to themselves is oh, that's just a dramatic voice in neutral. It is impossible to make this sound or have this size of resonance in neutral, the note is sung with a much more rounded and acoustical vowel shape

 

 

this was one of the best dramatic tenors messing around in his house or w/e, he sings really light in neutral larynx at 0:57 - 1:00, speaks a little after that and then his classical voice at 1:07 - 1:15

 

 

it is irrelevant that he was an opera singer and that he was singing Wagner, in that instant he was singing like a pop singer minus the music, stylistic phrasing and accent. most people use that sort of depth/vowel shape to sing pop, you can hear Charlie Puth here speaking in a much lower voice and then his singing voice is much lighter 1:05 - 1:15

 

 

Patti's muscle coordination and depth on the note is actually farther from the tenor's light neutral larynx voice or Charlie Puth's singing than it is to the tenor's classical voice. The video of Whitney posted on the last page is also a great example, just listen to the chorus. But of course, the properly trained opera singer must precisely have a low larynx at all times. It is irrelevant that she is non-classical like Charlie Puth is, the technical things that influence resonance and timbre are muscle coordination and depth. You know how people call everything opera even when it's not, like musical theater or Josh Groban? It's because they sing with really proper sounding vowels and that makes it sound "classical", even if their muscle coordination and depth may not be classical. But some contemporary women sing with stronger muscle coordination and depth WITHOUT the proper sounding vowels, and instead with whatever accent they choose. So for R&B/soul/gospel singers it is typically done with a more urban accent. In combination with womens' timbre sounding more appropriate for nonclassical (even when using more depth), the accent, stylistic phrasing and obviously the actual music itself being non-classical can completely mask the fact that their muscle coordination and depth is a lot different than a typical pop singer's.

 

tl;dr - no matter what style or genre you listen to, listen to the depth/vowel shape and registration coordination to judge what someone is doing. Don't just try to put singers in boxes based on their genres. Even when listening to opera, you may very well be listening to some "classical singer" who has less depth and muscle coordination than some non-classical women. Actually, that B4 from Patti had better registration coordination than any famous operatic tenor right now...no joke.

Edited March 28, 2017 by C.Y.

[Krapty Petty]

is it me or is Taeyeon's voice maturing these days? she's kinda get chesty when she sings high?

[AhMin]

https://www.facebook.com/vocalverdade/videos/639741439542722/?autoplay_reason=all_page_organic_allowed&video_container_type=0&video_creator_product_type=2&app_id=2392950137&live_video_guests=0

 

"Do you know Morgan James? If not, get to know her with her breathtaking vocals, sustaining high notes for almost half a minute, including an F5 for 21 seconds! Ironically in a song by Taylor Swift"

 

Thoughts?

is it me or is Taeyeon's voice maturing these days? she's kinda get chesty when she sings high?

I'm not sure if that would be maturing as much as new vocal habits

[칼릴�]

is it me or is Taeyeon's voice maturing these days? she's kinda get chesty when she sings high?

Well, she's 28 now, therefore it is safe to assume she's pretty much done with the maturing process of her voice. Most people settle into their voice around their mid-late twenties. For girls it can be a little bit earlier than that, and for guys it can be later. The changes you are hearing now with her voice are due to her taking a different approach to her singing and overall just using a better, more efficient technique which is allowing her voice to have more depth and color. You are correct in saying she is "chesty," but really it's just more balanced. It's more chesty than how she was singing, but really is not "chesty" just more balanced.

 

Hope this helps.

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

 

 

[칼릴�]

 

 

"Smol bean anthony" I hate you lol

 

Is this a new channel??? Where are all the other covers??

Edited March 29, 2017 by 칼릴�

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

"Smol bean anthony" I hate you lol

 

Is this a new channel??? Where are all the other covers??

 

LOOOL why :( omg wait aly is that u

(ive been away for a long time bc school was taking over my life but i have a moment of respite now)

 

and lol yeah i kind of wanted to start fresh, im still active on my old channel but i privated my old covers bc they were too embarrassing lol

[칼릴�]

LOOOL why :( omg wait aly is that u

(ive been away for a long time bc school was taking over my life but i have a moment of respite now)

 

and lol yeah i kind of wanted to start fresh, im still active on my old channel but i privated my old covers bc they were too embarrassing lol

The term "smol" it's just funny, and no it's not.

 

Oh yeah, I see that makes sense. Don't know if you do request, but Goodbye by SNSD would be good for you.

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

The term "smol" it's just funny, and no it's not.

 

Oh yeah, I see that makes sense. Don't know if you do request, but Goodbye by SNSD would be good for you.

 

lol ohhh ok

 

and yeah ive been meaning to cover that for over 2 years now (omg that sounds ridiculous lmao) ill give it a shot when i have time xD

[칼릴�]

lol ohhh ok

 

and yeah ive been meaning to cover that for over 2 years now (omg that sounds ridiculous lmao) ill give it a shot when i have time xD

Lol yeah, just take your time.

[BAZISSINO]

Well, she's 28 now, therefore it is safe to assume she's pretty much done with the maturing process of her voice. Most people settle into their voice around their mid-late twenties. For girls it can be a little bit earlier than that, and for guys it can be later. The changes you are hearing now with her voice are due to her taking a different approach to her singing and overall just using a better, more efficient technique which is allowing her voice to have more depth and color. You are correct in saying she is "chesty," but really it's just more balanced. It's more chesty than how she was singing, but really is not "chesty" just more balanced.

 

Hope this helps.

SHe's not that chesty to me too 

[BAZISSINO]

 

https://www.facebook.com/vocalverdade/videos/639741439542722/?autoplay_reason=all_page_organic_allowed&video_container_type=0&video_creator_product_type=2&app_id=2392950137&live_video_guests=0

 

"Do you know Morgan James? If not, get to know her with her breathtaking vocals, sustaining high notes for almost half a minute, including an F5 for 21 seconds! Ironically in a song by Taylor Swift"

 

Thoughts?

I'm not sure if that would be maturing as much as new vocal habits

 

ahmin isn't that the SAME MOGAN i ask about the other day TRAGIC LOL now i get when you said her vibrato tense her voice even more ... Wasn't her Larynx high ( like the difference between her  F5s , E5s and C5 - A4 ) and  her throat closed the whole time I've tried singing The SAME NOTES by having the same Quality ( ofc in my head voice ) and my larynx was high 

[칼릴�]

SHe's not that chesty to me too

Well, it's because she's not really chesty, she's just using more chest when she sings which is creating a more balance sound, but not really a "chesty" sound. Does that make sense? She definitely isn't a chesty singer.

[BAZISSINO]

Well, it's because she's not really chesty, she's just using more chest when she sings which is creating a more balance sound, but not really a "chesty" sound. Does that make sense? She definitely isn't a chesty singer.

IT does she don't pull her chest like average soprano when they Get to C5 it does make sense thanks for the explanation 

[AhMin]

ahmin isn't that the SAME MOGAN i ask about the other day TRAGIC LOL now i get when you said her vibrato tense her voice even more ... Wasn't her Larynx high ( like the difference between her F5s , E5s and C5 - A4 ) and her throat closed the whole time I've tried singing The SAME NOTES by having the same Quality ( ofc in my head voice ) and my larynx was high

This is why I can't stand this fb page

[geodeheart]

hey, i just wanted to drop in to introduce myself whenever i might post in this thread

 

i lurk in here all the time, but i just want to say that all you guys are really cool and that vocal pedagogy is something that's interested me for years now.....i've learned the basics for some time already, but hopefully through this thread, i can learn more about it in depth

[Avatarkyungsoo]

hey, i just wanted to drop in to introduce myself whenever i might post in this thread

 

i lurk in here all the time, but i just want to say that all you guys are really cool and that vocal pedagogy is something that's interested me for years now.....i've learned the basics for some time already, but hopefully through this thread, i can learn more about it in depth

welcome! 

[indigo]

 

https://www.facebook.com/vocalverdade/videos/639741439542722/?autoplay_reason=all_page_organic_allowed&video_container_type=0&video_creator_product_type=2&app_id=2392950137&live_video_guests=0

 

"Do you know Morgan James? If not, get to know her with her breathtaking vocals, sustaining high notes for almost half a minute, including an F5 for 21 seconds! Ironically in a song by Taylor Swift"

 

Thoughts?

 

my real first thoughts was "that is not attractive" lol both the way she sounds and musically, i hate wen singers hold notes for such a long time, just feels uncomfortable 

 

the second clip sounds painful 

[Jstarfully]

my real first thoughts was "that is not attractive" lol both the way she sounds and musically, i hate wen singers hold notes for such a long time, just feels uncomfortable 

 

the second clip sounds painful 

 

I'm usually just like... ok but why? It never serves any purpose besides showing off your lung capacity and breath control which like, yeah, good for you, but maybe do something that sounds nice with it instead?

[Avatarkyungsoo]

my real first thoughts was "that is not attractive" lol both the way she sounds and musically, i hate wen singers hold notes for such a long time, just feels uncomfortable 

 

the second clip sounds painful 

yeah it looked very uncomfortable in the second clip. The C5 sounds so different haha i was like is this the same person. But then again they are very far apart so i guess its normal

Edited March 30, 2017 by Kevin92

[Avatarkyungsoo]

omg this looks so fun lmao they were going all out =))) i'd only seen the one from the singing show til now

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqPow872kgU

[AhMin]

hey, i just wanted to drop in to introduce myself whenever i might post in this thread

 

i lurk in here all the time, but i just want to say that all you guys are really cool and that vocal pedagogy is something that's interested me for years now.....i've learned the basics for some time already, but hopefully through this thread, i can learn more about it in depth

Welcome! I hope we can learn a lot together!

[nugu?]

 

 

Hi, I'm new and I have an slightly off-topic question:

I can't distinguish different notes or tell which one's higher. To me they seem like "different colors" - something you just can't compare or place on a scale. Needless to say, when I was forced to sing I didn't even know if I was right or wrong.

Is that because I've not gotten any training / am I stupid / is it something else?

Answers appreciated

 

[AhMin]

 

 

Hi, I'm new and I have an slightly off-topic question:

I can't distinguish different notes or tell which one's higher. To me they seem like "different colors" - something you just can't compare or place on a scale. Needless to say, when I was forced to sing I didn't even know if I was right or wrong.

Is that because I've not gotten any training / am I stupid / is it something else?

Answers appreciated

 

Oh no dear, honestly when I first started learning to sing I didn't even know we sang notes! A friend played a note on the piano and told me to sing it, and I stared at her like what do you mean? lol So you're fine! Try this test!

 

http://jakemandell.com/adaptivepitch/

[jeong jaehyuns boyfriend]

does anyone here know shania twain?

 

 

shes def a mezzo soprano right :o

 

i know her technique is horrible but i love her lol

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiBGWfT6G-I