Official Vocals thread (READ OP FIRST)

[NoelVys]

3 hours ago, Renner said:

It looks like the JYPNGG also has another vocalist who has a degree of support aside from Lily M, Haewon, and Jinni. The Sullyoon one can support to an extent.

0:40 there’s an A4 there it carried support 0:48 the phrased Bb4’s also aren’t entirely bad at least the one at 0:58. Idk why her voice reminds me of a Sana with stronger development lol.

0:30 she’s starting the song smoother compared to how Bae (the one singing next to her) starts it off. 1:00 she doesn’t seem there yet for B4’s but there are A4’s there, overall closure’s not that bad. Bae had some questionable notes even around G#4/A4 in that other performance of hers, but I guess this F#4 isn’t bad 0:57 and more F#4’s at 1:22. I don't think the Bae one has enough grasp on it but It’s better than nothing I guess. 

The other 2 they were those dancer girls aside from Jinni seems to be the only members who don’t show much support but at least they still have some musicality lol so yeah this group isn’t bad at all vocally.

I guess this is where JYP's vocal budget went then 

[NoelVys]

The D5 at 2:03, it's not supported correct? It's just bright and open? Or am I hearing things wrong. 

But it was better than the D5 that followed it at 2:22? 

(also, that's some unnatural vibrato at 2:01) 

 

Also, I'd like to ask what are all of your thoughts on the argument of belting and mixing being different laryngeal mechanisms and the mix ratio of chesty and heady being hogwash, because I'm kind of convinced that the arguments are true, but I'd still like to expand my perceptions 

[NoelVys]

On 12/2/2021 at 2:14 AM, NoelVys said:

The D5 at 2:03, it's not supported correct? It's just bright and open? Or am I hearing things wrong. 

But it was better than the D5 that followed it at 2:22? 

(also, that's some unnatural vibrato at 2:01) 

 

Also, I'd like to ask what are all of your thoughts on the argument of belting and mixing being different laryngeal mechanisms and the mix ratio of chesty and heady being hogwash, because I'm kind of convinced that the arguments are true, but I'd still like to expand my perceptions 

Apologies if it sounds demanding but I'm still quite curious about the D5

[NoelVys]

How'd Matt Bateman do in the end here (hits a D5) 

https://youtube.com/shorts/fo35qcNdcL8?feature=share

[NoelVys]

On 12/14/2021 at 10:54 PM, NoelVys said:

How'd Matt Bateman do in the end here (hits a D5) 

https://youtube.com/shorts/fo35qcNdcL8?feature=share

Hey yall still curious about the D5 in the end, I thought it was "resonant" since it kinda sounded a bit "brassy" and large 

[NoelVys]

Girls on Top (the female superm) be frikin stacked in vocal ability though. Wendy + Taeyeon enough is awesome but the rest are pretty good too with BoA, Winter, Seulgi and Karina. Hyoyeon's not half bad too.

[NoelVys]

17 hours ago, Renner said:

I didn't pay attention to every vocalist sorry lol

0:38 C5's from Taeyeon and a couple A4 phrases afterwards, Sunny does the same thing at 1:30. There's not much major moments aside from that.

Taeil had some nice moments here! more forward approach 1:00 open G4 and a nice sustained G#4 from him 2:24 same thing. However to note he did still have that tight diction issue in the chorus lol.

 

Sunny really sounds like Sana there 

[NoelVys]

10 hours ago, exodus05 said:

I know but the joke is unnecessary

Coming from you? 

[NoelVys]

1 hour ago, ZRH23 said:

Somin, Seulgi, Jueun, Suhyun and Yuri (in that order) have some easier time in the 5th octave, at least phrasing C#5s. Somin has had some C#5s with light support. Yuri can have some moments of relatively nice mixing up there (probably from the main vocal role she plays). Also Sunny too tho only on the lower end of 5th octave.

I'm curious, does cord stretch have anything to do with the smoothness of legato and not breath management alone? (cord stretch specifically because I've noticed the people you listed, Average tiers who have a relatively easier time in the high mix, are ones praised for smoother legato lines than the rest of their peers) or is it not cord stretch alone, just cord development in general? Or are they not connected at all. 

(I'd also like to bring up Sohyang here since her strength as a vocalist from what I observed is great cord stretch and very smooth legato in the fifth octave) 

Additionally, does legato smoothness still matter among higher-than-Average tier vocalists? I'm guessing somewhere around Proficient it still does but above that it doesn't. 

Thanks! 

Edited January 25, 2022 by NoelVys

[NoelVys]

1 hour ago, ZRH23 said:

Okay so I might not be completely accurate as far as what goes on physiologically, but basically your cord development is basically just how well your cord muscle stretches, it's more or less the same thing. We're talking about 'cord stretch' usually when referring to the weaker vocalists, like those who barely even have a grasp at support, because their cords are just not trained in a way to accommodate the kind of grounded sound that they're trying for. Lacking the 'cord stretch' more or less means lacking the development but not necessarily true for all cases..

Ohh, I actually thought cord development meant both "strength" and "stretch" of vocal cords. I thought that the two were separately developed (kind of like muscle strength and muscle flexibility).

Like Suhyun and Yuri, vocalists with good cord stretch (smoother legato, relatively easier time in the higher ranges since the vocal cords are well.. stretched) but they don't necessarily have much "chest coordination", which I understand comes from thicker, stronger cords (hence cord strength). Am I mistaken in my understanding? 

[NoelVys]

This is a common debate on youtube. Karina, Nayeon, Rose and Jeongyeon, how do they compare to each other and does Karina have enough going for her to cross the threshold of Average tier? (i vaguely remember Jeongyeon has too little going for her to claim she's an Average, does high W-A sound accurate enough though?) 

[NoelVys]

I've asked before but how's the D5 at 28:52

https://youtu.be/liILGTpQcLk

[NoelVys]

15 hours ago, ZRH23 said:

She's had some pretty nice moments recently tbh. It's just that she hasn't busted her ass off like she did with My Voice album. But there's still some gems here and there. In general though these issues have been in Taeyeon for a long time already lmao.

I wouldn't say those are phrased, but they're nice for her, I liked them. Bright and clean, one of her better D5s for sure. 

 

It's a good attempt, I think he's brightening up and narrowing the D5 a bit too much. I wouldn't say the larynx is particularly high (I mean physically it is) but the sound is just a bit too modified with that bright, compressed sound to be 'supported' or such. 

Thanks for answering! 

(and answering a lot of my other questions in general) 

[NoelVys]

11 hours ago, jaedimps said:

Yeah I think I get it thank you for replying!

If I may add-on, it can also sound like there's something stuck in your throat, another popular example is Nayeon. 

[NoelVys]

16 minutes ago, ZRH23 said:

Yeah Lily definitely has C5s, not bad mixing above that. I've heard much worse Eb5s from the A-AAs. Haewon too honestly didn't sound like there's a big gap between them, but her parts make it harder to discern . Her mixing in the 5th octave is also isn't bad at all. 

Curious, how was Kyujin doing there? 

[NoelVys]

5 hours ago, BabyKBK said:

Would anyone be interested in a Yeonjung regression analysis? Might put it into the list after Wheein analysis comes out today. 

I'd watch that

[NoelVys]

Hey yall, can you kindly analyze this vocalist please? The notes are timestamped in the comments. They say she's "free" up to Eb5 but I'm not sure if the sound is developed enough to be labeled "supported" or is it just nice well-coordinated belts. 

[NoelVys]

Hey there, anyone know whether James Arthur is a baritone or a really dark tenor? I used to think he was the latter, but now I'm doubting my hearing lol. 

(follow-up, anyone know how good Anne-Marie is? I hear she's actually quite good, like better than the Average girls but I don't think the performance I linked shows it) 

[NoelVys]

7 hours ago, himi said:

i found this clip of Inseong just a few weeks before his enlistment. It's that musical song he always sings except he sang in the original key

@1:24 @1:40 is it me or these A4 carried support o.O
@0:30 nice B2 @1:20 i also like the E4

Really looking like Sandeul 2.0 on those A4s

[NoelVys]

2 hours ago, RATY said:

I think Sandeul has a feeling of support developed in Vocal Crod more than many male K-pop singers, the muscle development Vocal crods etc. is strong enough to withstand that pressure and provide an adequate level of support while the other male singers in Kpop ended up in more tension.

You misunderstand. I'm not saying Inseong "supported" those notes, I'm saying he's mimicking a lot of what Sandeul does in his singing. 

Teeth baring, eyes closed tightly, weird lip shaping, + a similar issue of pushing. It's a joking way of pointing out the similarity. 

[NoelVys]

I'd like to share something that I might get clowned for. 

Unpopular opinion I guess but Kyuhyun really doesn't impress me much as a vocalist in his consistent way of singing. He does this thing where he coordinates his singing to, I assume, sound "mask-placed" (cause SM loves that) but it kinda makes him sound like he's projecting through his nose (+ his weird vibrato) he kinda like a stronger Doyoung. But he does have his moments where he impresses me. 

Impressed 
3:17
4:05
4:11 (this one especially) 
5:05
5:40
6:16 and 6:25 The Screamer Changmin vs the Belter Kyuhyun 
6:58

Iffy impressed
3:36
3:43
3:50
5:26
6:02

Edited May 14, 2022 by NoelVys

[NoelVys]

44 minutes ago, ZRH23 said:

Nah, don't worry, it's pretty reasonable. Some others have also pointed it out before to the blog people, but it never really caught on and it's been a while so. 

Oh I thought I'd be roasted alive lol. Thanks for confirming some suspicions. I actually brought the topic up because I was listening to and watching some live "Hot Times" performances (rip Jonghyun) to see how Kyuhyun approached those Bb4s, which were kinda wobbly in the middle, I assume it was an attempt of vibrato but just to ask, does being light/"heady" in singing still affect that stability of sound even for vocalists at his level? (it kinda reminds me of Sunny, weird comparison I know) you mentioned the "not working your cords up there" leads to slight weakening and being pitchy, so I assume it's similar? 

46 minutes ago, ZRH23 said:

@5:26

I actually thought this one was approaching shouty rather than awkward nose projection, that's why I put it under iffy. It seemed like a really old clip so I thought this was a more rookie thing (I don't really follow SuJu so cmiiw) 

54 minutes ago, ZRH23 said:

Whoa that was huge, andd we get back to the nose lmao. Was it a bit pushed tho? 

Thanks for answering the questions and then some, greatly appreciated

[NoelVys]

9 hours ago, ZRH23 said:

For a vocalist of his level, being 'light/heady' shouldn't compromise him much no. Unless he's doing it consistently without engaging in his chest muscles much.

 

9 hours ago, ZRH23 said:

 

9 hours ago, ZRH23 said:

I've never really heard Kyuhyun go all light and heady though, it's more just bright. 

 I see, thanks 

 

9 hours ago, ZRH23 said:

9 hours ago, ZRH23 said:

See; the real reason why Sunny's coordination is such an issue is because she never really developed that solid, chest feel that needs in order for her chords to strengthen, which affects her pitch, stability etc.

I do actually understand that so I thought it's similar, but I guess not. 

 

9 hours ago, ZRH23 said:

9 hours ago, ZRH23 said:

But his B4/C5 range has never been THAT solid to begin with and he would need full focus and strength to hit good ones. If that makes sense.

It makes sense and I agree, it was a real quality jump from his Bb4s, (except the B4 I timestamped I would say, but he did scale up there) I always thought he only got up to B4/C5 because of the ease of the nasality (which as you did point out is easier on the cords, kinda easier stretching them too in that state) 

 

9 hours ago, ZRH23 said:

4 hours ago, galhadineas said:

would you mind explaining what you mean here just a little bit more, I don't quite get it 

I initially thought that since his coordination didn't pull much weight all the time in the upper fourth octave, (hence why I call it light/"heady", thought it's not) he never really "settled" there fully (kinda like Sunny, since she basically never pulls any sort of weight up, the development never settled anywhere) that's why some "shakiness" can still be detected. Now I realize it's just his "vibrato" lmao. 

 

9 hours ago, ZRH23 said:

9 hours ago, BAZISSINO said:

Can you link some instances 

 

 

https://youtu.be/o7GzBxIDqCg

The link's not embedding but 2:18

That was the first performance I watched, but then I watched a lot of others, and seeing as how he consistently does that in all of them, I'm just assuming the "wobbliness" I hear is his vibrato. (though arguably, in some pedagogic circles, some may call that a wobble lol) 

(the quoting is all over the place sorry first time using so many quotes) 

Edited May 15, 2022 by NoelVys

[NoelVys]

Hey there, so I was already wondering this a few months ago, but was reminded by a comment on yt. How good of a singer is Seth MacFarlane? You know, that guy who makes adult-humor shows like Family Guy and American Dad.

Is the guy a baritone? Or is he a tenor who likes to sing baritone? guy has a lot of Frank Sinatra performances.

Sorry for some note inaccuracies, my pitch detection isn't the best.

 

3:47 G#4?

 

0:18 G#2? A2?

0:48 G2? A2? Idrk he's sliding around in that area at least

3:20 Sustained E4

 

2:10 lower range display, really this whole song is a lower range display and midrange display. 

 

1:20 F#4? G4?

1:47 E4

 

This one's just for fun, nothing to highlight

 

And the rest are just unhighlighted

 

 

 

 

[NoelVys]

5 hours ago, _ohmyvon said:

Does that mean that it takes more chest development to use a chesty mix rather than low notes? Because I get that impression since many claim that ning has no chest development to pull up her chest to her mix.

Ningning doesn't really have noteworthy chest development in her lows, unlike Solji who has really audible lows because of her chest development in that area. 

"chest register"/lower register development is not the same as nor does it cause "chest development".