Official Vocals thread (READ OP FIRST)

[Sarah Oon]

I know having consist resonance is ideal. But does it really make a big impact in terms of tiering? Ahmin has said many times that the only reason Hwasa is not A-AA is because of her resonance.

[Sarah Oon]

1 hour ago, BabyKBK said:

I definetly think u are right, but it's also the fact how the standards for resonance are so low. Vocalists like Narsha and Sunye are given passes for notes like this:

5:16 The openness and placement are limited, support can be much stronger

Imo, when the openness is that minimal, it doesn't mean much and shouldn't be labelled as consistent resonance. 

IU has resonance? I'm quite surprised since she's a low average girl.

[Sarah Oon]

4 hours ago, ZRH23 said:

Imo, consistent 'resonance' really only starts to appear on 'Proficient' vocalists and even there are exceptions due to strong development still. But you'll find that these resonance moments usually only occur at high AA level anyways (again there's more to it tbh and can be subjective along the way). 

 

I wanted to highlight this. Do you think Wendy has ever produced true resonance? Her placement, throat shape, and overall being whinny have hindered her resonance for what we would expect of someone in her tier. Her resonance is rare at best, but overall not present in her singing. I believe someone in this thread said that the highest she has resonated was a B4 which is pretty surprising since she supports up to C#5/D5. I believe she's the only one we know of so far in the Proficient and above tier who struggles with resonance. Do you think she would move up in the Proficient tier if she has consistent Resonance till C#5?

[Sarah Oon]

Since we're exposing fake mezzo's, can we finally put Adele and Christina in the W to A tier since they're truly Sopranos who only support to A4? 

Edited October 1, 2021 by Sarah Oon

[Sarah Oon]

4 hours ago, Renner said:

1:13 some C5 belts with stronger 4th octave notes comparatively speaking from NingNing. Winter follows with some phrased A4’s afterwards and a sustained Bb4~A4 note then she goes next level 2.0 lol (E5 to D5). 1:40 phrased C5 & D5’s from NingNing and a sustained C5 then she went for that G5 lol. SM is making these girls belt lmao.

0:30 I like that NingNing puts effort on the early 4th octave 0:45 Bb4 to B4 from Winter. 1:03 sustained Bb4 from Winter phrased Eb5 then sustained C#5 to Bb, some upper notes from NingNing, NingNing also does the same thing as Winter at 2:07. Phrased G#4’s from Karina at 1:44 she also peaked at Bb4, 1:55 Bb4 Winter. 2:30 B4 Karina. 2:54 bridge NingNing’s still maintaining a fuller sound in early 4th octave peak at B4, some phrased B4~D5’s from Winter afterwards then she belt E5 to Eb5 she still going for some Eb5 after lol. 3:23 Eb5 from Ning I think there’s a C#5 afterwards.

Imma just say some A4~B4 notes throughout the verses lol. 2:04 bridge some light upper notes from NingNing, phrased B4’s from Winter peak at C#5. 2:37 some lows from WinNing. 2:52 I don’t know who the hell hit that Eb5 but why do I think it’s Giselle lol.

0:19 guess I’ll highlight this brief G#4 from Giselle lol. 0:49 upper notes from NingNing. 3:43 Eb5 upper and some phrased B4 peak C# from Ning then D5/Eb5 notes.

Not much moments but there’s an alright F#3 by Ning 0:29. Omg that was long bless my stan heart.

edit : oh someone already posted I didnt saw that sorry

Thank you for your analysis. Karina needs to stop rapping and leave it all to Giselle because some of their raps are not it while her vocals for an sub-vocalist are fire. I'm glad she had a nice mix of singing on this album.

[Sarah Oon]

Appartenly Karina's Bb4 

3 hours ago, Karinas said:

Here’s what I gathered from Aespa’s fansign singing: 

Karina:

 

 

 

Ningning: 

 

 

Karina and Winter singing the chorus of Ill make you cry: 

 

 

 

Just little short clips, not sure if anything is impressive there but maybe it’ll speak a bit towards their consistency?

 

Unrelated, but doesn't Karina basically have Bb4 now and her B4's show potential? Also, it seems this album firmly cemented that Giselle can support. Pretty insane since both girls training mostly revolved around rap and dance. I guess Joy is no longer the strongest sub-vocalist out.

[Sarah Oon]

6 hours ago, exodus05 said:

3/4 or maybe 4/4 in aespa supports. Itzy and blackpink could only wish 

I know this post was meant to be shady, but it IS impressive that Aespa's rappers are stronger than other groups vocal lines. Karina and Giselle could be a solid vocal line in a plethora of 4th gen groups. But lbr, the bar is low since many groups main vocalist barely support nowdays.

Edited October 10, 2021 by Sarah Oon

[Sarah Oon]

I think Karina has A4/Bb4 down. 

Bb4 sounds a little pushed or tensed but it was supported. 

Edited October 13, 2021 by Sarah Oon

[Sarah Oon]

4 hours ago, spicyssamu said:

wait so does everyone in Aespa support? I heard Giselle was controversial but she sounds way less shallow than itzy and stayc girls imo

Karina, Winter and Ningning all at least have Bb4. Giselle can support and sounds stronger than someone like Joy but we still need more material imo.

Edited October 14, 2021 by Sarah Oon

[Sarah Oon]

So Aespa vs RV in terms of vocals would be something like this?

Wendy>NingNing>Winter>Seulgi>Karina>Giselle>Joy

 

Karina is low average at most so she's not that far off from Seulgi who is Mid average. Karina's mix also sounds less nasally and more full imo compared to Seulgi who has a heap of issues (tongue tension, tightness, pushing and nasality). I think Karina is tight and little pushy too but not as much as Seulgi. Karina's B4's and C5's also sounded nice for someone her level so yeah she has a lot of potential to improve imo. I also read that Winter had a few phrased but supported C5's in Next level and the savage mini too. These girls are really strong and well rounded.

 

Karina's B4's and C5's compared to Seulgi B4's and C5's (might be wrong since i suck at identifying notes but both are singing above Bb4 in these parts)

1:44

 

 

Edited October 14, 2021 by Sarah Oon

[Sarah Oon]

So what's stopping NingNing from being AA? is it just lack of material? It seem's like she has C#5 and her lows and head voice seem decently developed/supported meanwhile I know quite a few vocalist in the AA tier who are placed there only because of their mix

Edited October 16, 2021 by Sarah Oon

[Sarah Oon]

Okay it looks like we're getting some more live singing moments soon for NN

 

[Sarah Oon]

14 hours ago, BabyKBK said:

Even if she had C#5 consistently, which I'm not entirely sure yet, that alone doesn't determine someone's rank fully. Sure, she could be AA if we had more material, but not everyone supports the same. IMO, if someone like Eunji or Luna only supported up to C#5, they'd still be at least AA-P because of their quality, while if IU supported C#5 consistently but kept her quality, she would be A-AA max. 

So far the C5s and C#5s I've heard are all noticeably thinner than the high AAs at least. 

Ninging sounds low AA so far to me. Her mix is light and could be a little fuller. But the development in her other registers balance it out for me. She doesn't sound that far off from Yechan who is also low AA.

Edited October 18, 2021 by Sarah Oon

[Sarah Oon]

My god, I have not seen a song kick someone's ass so hard since Jessie J attempted to cover Listen, but it's even worse since it's her OWN song. I don't want to do too much since Chuu is a sweet girl, plus this song does not give the singer any time to take a breath. But this was a train wreck. I have second-hand embarrassment.

[Sarah Oon]

2 hours ago, jeong jaehyuns boyfriend said:

this was hard to watch.... but how could this happen? did she not practice the song even once? but its her own song, and it was a planned performance... :s

She didn't have a backtracking to rely on it was 100% instrumental. Plus this song is very continuous with no breaks to catch your breath

 

1 hour ago, BabyKBK said:

From what I can tell based on what fans said, she did the perf for fun and not seriously

That would make sense since she was having giggles throughout. I don't think anybody should use this as an example of her usual consistent level. 

Of course, I agree but it's clear she was struggling with the tempo of song and maintaining her breath. There was a quite a few times she ran out of breath and just flat out stooped.

Edited October 19, 2021 by Sarah Oon

[Sarah Oon]

Okay, my earlier comments about Chuu had me revisiting this. What the hell happened here? This song kicked her ass and it was completely one sided. Prime example of a vocalist needing to know their limits or adjust the key of a song to better fit their skill set.

Edited October 20, 2021 by Sarah Oon
Didn't wanna be too mean

[Sarah Oon]

40 minutes ago, KoreaxxLove said:

She’s having fun singing something for the first time. It’s not like it’s a rehearsed piece. 

This wasn't her first time singing it, she said later in the live stream she has sang listen maybe 4 or 5 times in the past. It's maybe her first time singing it in awhile? Besides, there have been many singers who have sung on IG live for "fun" that handled this way better than she did. Wendy covered it on IG live and did quite well. 

The song is just above her level, she tried to sing listen a second time on the same live stream but gave up half way through.

Edited October 21, 2021 by Sarah Oon

[Sarah Oon]

On 10/25/2021 at 3:02 PM, exodus05 said:

Is it really possible for someone to support low notes only without supporting mixed voice or head voice or support the head voice without supporting low notes and mixed?

for example

 

F#3/G3-N/A-N/A (Taylor Swift might be in this scenario idk)

or like Ellie Goulding's case

N/A-N/A-F5 (according to a youtube video but can't I find the link now)

I'm sorry but some of these "supported" notes lol. Neither of those two support at all, let alone have developed lows/head voice

Edited October 27, 2021 by Sarah Oon

[Sarah Oon]

Aespa's Savage stage promotions ended, so no more encore's. I wished NingNing went ham on those adlibs like she did in the studio because these two encore performance were all light, heady and lacked the engagement she showed in the studio.

0:53 that belt sounded niceish, just wish she had that same engagement for the rest of the performance. 

Edited October 27, 2021 by Sarah Oon

[Sarah Oon]

Not K-pop related, but does Katy Perry really support up to Bb4/B4? Her mix seems really messy and inconsistent. Her pitch seems messy too. I think she supports in general (i've heard some decent A4's from here) and knows how to engage her mid range, but her efforts are not always successful.

 

Edited October 30, 2021 by Sarah Oon

[Sarah Oon]

2 hours ago, Renner said:

I don’t entirely keep up with her but my friend sent me some clips of Chaeyun from the new Kepler gg and is she a High Average?

This B4 wasn’t bad it’s pretty nice imo (compared to what usual mid A girlies can pull out at least). Her C5 on this performance also was nice 0:05 ;

 

I've seen most people put her at low average under Yuri. I want to hear more engagement from her because the clips I have heard are too light and heady.

Edited November 4, 2021 by Sarah Oon

[Sarah Oon]

45 minutes ago, Devoux3817 said:

who is better demi lovato or ariana grande?

Last I remember Demi is AA while Ariana is A to AA

[Sarah Oon]

So is the main vocal line in NCT the only one's who can support? I've heard that Jungwoo and Haechan are shallow but I presume they don't support?

[Sarah Oon]

wrong thread 

 

Edited November 14, 2021 by Sarah Oon

[Sarah Oon]

Adele is average tier right? Where would she place? For instance, is she stronger than Seulgi or is she more of low average.