Official Vocals thread (READ OP FIRST)

[Messica]

Throaty.

anything else. I already know that, its quite obvious. Is he bad/mediocre?

[Messica]

She does. But she isn't a High Note Slave, unlike the other girls. The highest I've heard her go in an SNSD is E5, TaeYeon has gone up to G5, Jessica F#5, SeoHyun F#5, and I think Tiffany has done F#5, I know she has gone upto to F5 in SNSD songs.

Jessica has a G5 in say yes feat Krystal and kris

Tiffany does a G5 in lady marmalade

Oh, that was an E ?.....Yeah, she shouldn't have done Es back then..because that was lol..so was Jessica's, but it was better lol.

who's was better?

Yeap, last chorus, 고마워 사랑해 행!!복만줄게요

taeyeon has another E5 after that kissing you oh!!" my looooove

goes from G#4 A4 B4 E5 Eb5 C#5 B4

[Messica]

Does taeyeon have more ease above D5 than Jessica nowadays?sans her resonant E5 that is? What about F5 and F#5?

Edited September 29, 2013 by Bringthesnacksout

[Messica]

Eh, they're about the same. TaeYeon's E5/F5s are still pretty bad, but they have gotten ever so slightly better. Also, all of those E5s after that 1 E5 are all terrible, but her Eb5s have gotten better.

who cracks F5/F#5 more?

[Messica]

I don't know. Jessica has more F#5s than TaeYeon does, I also think F5s as well..also E5s..so....TaeYeon has more strain.

Jessica's F5/F#5s are more tense than Taeyeon's.

WTF

[Messica]

Just accept it~ Jessica be straining more on dem F5/F#5s~ But Jessica be having dem better G5s LOOOOOOOOL

wtf because you say taeyeon more strained but Chung said taeyeon less tense. This does'nt add up because taeyeon still dies at F5/F#5 and cracks more than sica at F#5 which means sica has better support on those notes. Loool? Didn't you say taeyeon did G5? I thought she was better because Jessica's G5 was like really really quick. Seohyun omg should never go above D5 ever again. Who the f let her jump from belting D5 to F#5 in twinkle when she's never belted any note in between since the boys. (her E5 in mistake doesn't count because it had too much head mixed into it, and it was airy).

Tiffany is the real high note slave, because its starting to kill her. Sunny should take her place.

Tiffany should never go above Bb4(or wait no maybe A4), Sunny should never go above C5, seohyun should never go above C#5 (or maybe Eb5, because they're beautiful even tho still tensed), Taeyeon should never go above E5/Eb5. Jessica should be the only high note slave (or with taeyeon so she gets better in her demonic twinkle high notes). If not, Jessica should never go above D5/Eb5 (bitch still has to get consistent in decent B4/C5s and okay C#5, watch shell get consistent probs next year or next comeback). Sooyoung should join in in the C5s. LOOOOL

Edited September 29, 2013 by Bringthesnacksout

[Messica]

Taeyeon's G5 is in XYZ. It's highly edited, and squeaky. Sica's G5 is rapid and squeaky as well. 

 

And I really don't get the point of that rant. Most of those has already been established.

who's telling the truth. You or Jiyul?

[Messica]

 

Was there any HV in this video?

LOL operashidae. Sooyoung, Yuri and sica would make awesome sopranos LOOOL

[Messica]

Out of Beast, MBLAQ, Infinite and 2PM's vocal lines, how would they rank amongst each other? Are they more or less around the same? I would think the ones with a good/decent/above average vocalist will be enough to carry the group...

 

Thank you, again  .

infinite > beast > 2PM > MBLAQ (there's three in 2pm, I think junsu is okay and the rest are bad where as MBLAQ only has one or two (if you count seungho) although G.O is good and is >>>>>> junsu, so im not sure). If were letting one vocalist carry the whole group it would be MBLAQ > Infinite > Beast > 2PM

[Messica]

G.O. > Woohyun > Yoseob > Junsu/Sunggyu > Hyunseung > Junho > Woohyun > Seungho/Kikwang

 

IM GUESSING. most. I mean it's fairly okay, im not sure bout the leads tho

you listed woohyun twice? Do you mean wooyoung or a different infinite main vocal?

[Messica]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Was there any HV in this video?

LOL operashidae. Sooyoung, Yuri and sica would make awesome sopranos LOOOL

Me.

LOL

[Messica]

Today I finally learned the true meaning of breath support and consistency. I tried to make a cover of shinee's sleepless night but I could do everything except pulling at awesome A4 without straining too much. I did warm UPS and tried it but I was still pulling my larynx way to high and straining too much. I realized I needed to be hydrated as well so I took a glass of leukwarm water and I tried to do the note carefully, and I carefully tried to manage my breathing rather than just taking a huge gasp of air before pulling it off. I tried to scream it with my diaphragm but it wasn't rough as a scream as I expected. As I did it in my bathroom my note felt healthy as I wasn't tightening my chords or trying to pull my larynx. I could actually feel by diaphragm working together with my vocal chords and it sounded and felt supported. It sounded better than any G4 I've ever done and I think it was a fluke decent A4 It wasn't nasal at all and felt and sounded open (just a lifted soft palate). As I was preparing for the cover one last time I could not reproduce that nice A4 I just did. If an singer cant reproduce notes like that just as I couldn't, it shows how less capable a vocalist he/she is. So I give up.

 

But I'll make that cover once I can pull that acceptable and supported A4 more often.

Edited September 30, 2013 by Bringthesnacksout

[Messica]

I squat. every.single.time. LOL

 

 

Drew said she had some improved notes recently

 

 

dunno sorry

 

 

Tune in for more "Success stories of our satisfied vocal customers" <3

squatting, how does that help? I can do it in head easily (my head voice stops at D4, gets difficult but manageable to E5 and I start screaming from G5, and I stop at D6, yes I finally reached into the 6th octave). Was my anecdote a somewhat accurate description of breath support? The thing is, if I take a massive gasp of air before (I do take deep breaths more) I pull it off, my throat closes and wrecks my placement.

 

have you supported an A4 before? It feels awesome. I felt like taemin.LOL

Edited September 30, 2013 by Bringthesnacksout

[Messica]

I'd like to thank jiyul ssaem and matt ssaem for helping me on my road to becoming mediocre. You guys will probably be getting recordings from me later this year or early next year because I've got grade 12 final exams.

[Messica]

From what I understand, operatic head voice is exactly the same as pop head voice, just in opera you can't tell when a singer's head voice begins and ends because we're taught to smooth over the transition. Also while most pop singers tend to bring the chest voice up as much as possible, classical singers tend to bring the head voice down.

 

 

 

Woo validation! I know he has a bunch of flaws, but I always thought he was surprisingly good for a singer in a hip hop group. 

 

 

 

Have you tried singing it in head voice then mixing it as you go? Also not thinking of the note as high helps a lot. Think down with your support, not up with the note. Sometimes squatting while you start singing it helps reinforce that. And don't be afraid to take a big breath. Sure, you need to learn how to use the breath effectively and to breathe as low and relaxed as possible, but in the long run it's better to not run out of breath.

 

singing it in head is easy, but I find it difficult adding chest to my mix. I think my mistake was trying to mix it in almost all chest. I think my supported A4 had a little bit more head than I usually do. I'm not sure. Because in terms of mixing it sounded like a full toned belt and it was loud. It could have been very much chest.

You should record your singing and then give it to one of us. Because sometimes we may think we are doing something when we aren't.

what do mean by doing something when we aren't. I always crack or strain really badly (my larynx would be up there in the heavens), it would always feel unhealthy, this time was different. It was a massive fluke like Jessica's decent C5s or Tiffany's supported A4/Bb4 for example.

 

however you will be getting recordings from me in the future. But yeah it might or could actually just be a mediocre note.

[Messica]

Ever I hear about a guy going higher than me, I die a little bit inside.

lol just try to find your extremes, that's how i found out i could reach D6

 

I'm very confused about my range cos i go from F/G2 to D6. It confuses me about my vocal Timbre. I don't know, sometimes when i sing, i think I'm a baritone, a baritenor of even a countertenor when i know myself that I'm a tenor. Maybe I'll get further understanding in the future and fully realize I'm a tenor.

Doesn't that mean teacher or something ?

yes it does. Its a short way of seongsaengnim.

[Messica]

From what I understand, operatic head voice is exactly the same as pop head voice, just in opera you can't tell when a singer's head voice begins and ends because we're taught to smooth over the transition. Also while most pop singers tend to bring the chest voice up as much as possible, classical singers tend to bring the head voice down.

 

 

 

Woo validation! I know he has a bunch of flaws, but I always thought he was surprisingly good for a singer in a hip hop group. 

 

 

 

Have you tried singing it in head voice then mixing it as you go? Also not thinking of the note as high helps a lot. Think down with your support, not up with the note. Sometimes squatting while you start singing it helps reinforce that. And don't be afraid to take a big breath. Sure, you need to learn how to use the breath effectively and to breathe as low and relaxed as possible, but in the long run it's better to not run out of breath.

 

singing it in head is easy, but I find it difficult adding chest to my mix. I think my mistake was trying to mix it in almost all chest. I think my supported A4 had a little bit more head than I usually do. I'm not sure. Because in terms of mixing it sounded like a full toned belt and it was loud. It could have been very much chest.

You should record your singing and then give it to one of us. Because sometimes we may think we are doing something when we aren't.

what do mean by doing something when we aren't. I always crack or strain really badly (my larynx would be up there in the heavens), it would always feel unhealthy, this time was different. It was a massive fluke like Jessica's decent C5s or Tiffany's supported A4/Bb4 for example.

 

however you will be getting recordings from me in the future. But yeah it might or could actually just be a mediocre note.

[Messica]

...........My extreme is C6.....maybe in a couple in years with more falsetto/head voice exercises I could get a D6 LOL...I actually wanna do an Eb6...

she wants the D.lol

 

you want to try whistle register don't you?I'd like to try it too..

[Messica]

So many posts!

 

 

 

Squatting helps engage the muscles in your lower body which improves breath control, but I think what it really helps with is tricking your brain into not reaching for a high note. Somehow the act of moving down physically makes your brain think your voice is also moving down so you don't psyc yourself out. Clearly an A4 is not actually very high for you so you can't think of it that way.

 

Question, do you do lip trills(/know what lip trills are)? It's impossible to do those exercises without having proper breath support, so when you try them notice how it feels and what your body is doing and apply it. 

 

 

 

It's a misconception that head voice can't be loud (just look at opera singers). Correct me if I'm wrong, but I hear that Taemin uses a lot of head voice in his mix. Once you get the sound in a comfortable heady space, try bringing the sound forward and bright in the mask. Record yourself several times first doing just head and then when you've made it brighter. It's going to sound awful to you when you sing it, but it likely will sound better in the recording. 

 

 

 

My advice is don't worry about vocal fach if you're singing pop music. It's not important. (Also you can never be sure until you're 30) Sing what feels good in your voice and what you can sing with good technique.

 

as a mix, A4 is quite high for me. Thanks for the tips. I do know what the lip trills are. I can't properly do it because I can't access the mid-high 4th octave notes with it. I guess I should,play around with mixing then.

 

mimetroupe is the third ssaem for me now.

[Messica]

So many posts!

 

 

 

Squatting helps engage the muscles in your lower body which improves breath control, but I think what it really helps with is tricking your brain into not reaching for a high note. Somehow the act of moving down physically makes your brain think your voice is also moving down so you don't psyc yourself out. Clearly an A4 is not actually very high for you so you can't think of it that way.

 

Question, do you do lip trills(/know what lip trills are)? It's impossible to do those exercises without having proper breath support, so when you try them notice how it feels and what your body is doing and apply it. 

 

 

 

It's a misconception that head voice can't be loud (just look at opera singers). Correct me if I'm wrong, but I hear that Taemin uses a lot of head voice in his mix. Once you get the sound in a comfortable heady space, try bringing the sound forward and bright in the mask. Record yourself several times first doing just head and then when you've made it brighter. It's going to sound awful to you when you sing it, but it likely will sound better in the recording. 

 

 

 

My advice is don't worry about vocal fach if you're singing pop music. It's not important. (Also you can never be sure until you're 30) Sing what feels good in your voice and what you can sing with good technique.

 

as a mix, A4 is quite high for me. Thanks for the tips. I do know what the lip trills are. I can't properly do it because I can't access the mid-high 4th octave notes with it. I guess I should,play around with mixing then.

 

mimetroupe is the third ssaem for me now.

[Messica]

I squat. every.single.time. LOL

 

Drew said she had some improved notes recently

 

dunno sorry

 

Tune in for more "Success stories of our satisfied vocal customers" <3

I'm your only customer with some success tyvm. Qurl I won't be satisfied until I'm consistent

[Messica]

LOL I don't think we have the same range anymore

I already have to put in some energy into properly projecting a C5, whereas that note for you is around E5 I'd assume.

My belted E5 is like your belted G5 too lol. But I don't really know how to... "mix"...? Or whatever that's called ._.

 

I only ever reached C#6 in a squeak of a falsetto... and I never use falsetto anymore so its basically out of my singing range LOL

Right now what I sing with is just C1-D5 ^^ I think you're a tenor?

I can't belt past Bb4. I can head easily into G5 tho and I've sustained a head C6 once before but I can heady mix into E5. You must have improved a lot then. I don't practice often. Only when no one is home which is rare in a week. You went from a limit of an F#4 belt into C5. Congrats id like to hear it. Is your 1st octave notes musically useful tho? By projecting do you mean belting/mixing? Edited October 1, 2013 by Bringthesnacksout

[Messica]

Guys how do you adjust your mix, like how do you change the amount if head and chest being used?

also any good songs a tenor like me could practice? Male versions of female songs work too.

[Messica]

I read several pages back that Taeyeon debuted as an Okay vocalist. When did she turn into a decent vocalist?

[Messica]

Nobody answered mu question. So I read here that taeyeon debuted as an okay vocalist. At what point in her career did she become a decent vocalist.