Official Vocals thread (READ OP FIRST)

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6 minutes ago, Sacred Seraph said:

But I'm curious where others would put miyeon? I do tend to have not-so-polar opinions when it comes to vocals sometimes.

Hey, Miyeon isn't particularly good but isn't that bad either. She does support, but its not completely proper and a bit limited, she can also get a bit too tight early on in her mix, still she got a stronger sound than the some vocalists from her gen with a very small cutsey approach. From the tiers we use she would be placed in weak to average. 

You are right that she is not very consistent and she does suffer from more issues as she goes high (above A4/Bb4), but in her mid range she ussally does fine enough.

She is not among the stronger ones in her gen however, there are more skilled singers. (She is stronger than Yuqi btw)

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25 minutes ago, Sacred Seraph said:

Im curious if you would place dreamcatcher's siyeon below or above her?

Unless I am missing something Siyeon has a more problematic approach in comparison to Miyeon, with more tension early on, so ig I would have ranked her a little below. But sometimes ppl exaggerate the gap (and gaps between other vocalists as well) a bit too much. 

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1 hour ago, Ti Na said:

Please re-evaluate for accurate rankings

- Average
Somin (KARD) 
Suhyun (AKMU)
Seulgi (Red Velvet)
Winter (Aespa)
Tiffany (SNSD)
Dawon (WJSN)
Yuri (Iz*one) 
Jiwon ( fromis_9)
Chaewon (Classy)
Jihyo (Twice)
Gain (Brown Eyed Girls)
Sunny (SNSD)
Yeonjung (I.O.I/WJSN) 
Yunjin (Le Sserafim)
Kim BoA (Spica)
Narae (ex Spica)
Minah (Girl's Day)
Sojung (Ladies’ Code)
Linzy (Fiestar)
ChoA (AOA)
Jieun (Secret)
Hyerin (EXID) 
Soyeon (T-ara)
IU
Soyou (Sistar)
Hyojung (Oh My Girl)
Baek Jiyoung
Jeongyeon (Twice) 

- Weak to Average vocalist:
Karina (Aespa)
Jinni (Nmixx)
Sullyoon (Nmixx)
Kyujin (Nmixx)
Gayoon (4MINUTE)
Min (Miss A)
Chaewon (April) 
Sojin (Girl's Day)
Jisook (Rainbow)
Hyomin (T-ara)
Krystal (f(x))
Nayeon (Twice ) 
Miyeon ((G)i-dle)
Rosé (Blackpink) 
Hani (EXID) 
Chungha (I.O.I/Soloist)  
Giselle (Aespa)
Haseul (Loona)

Things I noticed:

Chaewon is too high in my opinion

Jeongyeon should be W-A

Hyerin is more of a W-A too

Jinni shouldn't be above the other two Nmixx girls (they are all pretty similar though)

Nayeon Miyeon and Rose might be too low (not completely sure though) I do think Krystal atleast should be below them.

Edited June 14, 2022 by Tsabar

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12 minutes ago, Killae said:

Miyeon shouldn't be here cause her A4s have more tension than anyone else in the list

Her support is stronger than some of those girls and she has her amount of passable A4/Bb4s too

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5 minutes ago, Ti Na said:

Lately, I've seen a lot of people saying that Lily should be on a low AAP. The reason is because she supports D5 - G5 well 

This page analyzed Lily

https://www.facebook.com/107561581979383/posts/pfbid0V2EHuDPXH6VPytN5LvZhZqRmGUut6792Y8dBb8FFPxj4wcKU9wCSeatxdcfqm6J4l/

Why does this page give me the EXACT same energy as a particular questionable page ...

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20 minutes ago, Tsabar said:

Why does this page give me the EXACT same energy as a particular questionable page ...

Ofc they have the audacity to say that Miyeon is equal to Park Bom, that I.N from stray kidz is w-a, that Seungim support his head voice, etc, and then claim that they are some rumour breakers by saying Loona's Heeijin can't actually support well or at all (reminding you she is a weak shallow girl) and that people should be more careful not to spread missinformation or THEY will debate them. (I apologise for ranting)

Edited June 17, 2022 by Tsabar

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12 minutes ago, Ti Na said:

I don't get what you mean

I got Fabulous Watermelon (another page) vibes by the way they analyse and how their page looks.

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1 hour ago, Killae said:

@2:08 People labeling Haewon as a solid AA vocalist and this C#5 proved the opposite. Her consistency is still a big question.

Yeah bcoz all of the other AA's always put out good sustained C#5s... you sure about that ?

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2 hours ago, Killae said:

According to what I heard from Seunghee and prime Hwasa, I believe they did produce passable resonances with open vowels, and deserve to be at the very bottom of AA. Back to Haewon, her support quality can't persuade me a place for her on AA. It's hard to say she has solid C#5 with just passable phrased C#5s accompanied by nasality and some slight tightness, plus, no resonance in mid-belt,

No, Haewon's phrasing on 5th octave isn't always light and nasal, its even relatively full and clean sometimes, and her "support quality" is just fine, she does have some more underwhelming moments here and there but usually she keep a strong consistent sound through A4-C5/C#5.

1:58 stronger C#5 from Haewon than what both Hwasa and Seunghee can manage:

 

2:51 relatively nice A4 for Haewon, (3:25 relatively chesty phrased C#5 again not something the two you mention would pull off well)

Could still be stronger ofc, but compared to how Hwasa approach it 0:48, 0:54, 1:18, 1:27

Its (Haewon's) more open and less tense

So yeah, I guess I maybe agree that at times Hwasa and Seunghee try to go for more upfront approach that enogucarge a stronger sound, but it usually considerably messier than Haewon and not really better in terms of strength, both are quite far from having "a lot of resonant B4/C5" or any sort of consistency with it for sure.

Edited June 20, 2022 by Tsabar

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1 hour ago, galhadineas said:

And no, it wasn't better than this 

 

I personally kinda disagree, this Seunghee note sounds smaller and less controlled to me, I think Seunghee has better C#5s than that...

Edited June 20, 2022 by Tsabar

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6 hours ago, cth said:

don’t mind the quoting, just bumping hae’s recent Bbs on the topic 

 

Slay

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2 hours ago, Messica said:

Ben, i dont think Jessica is above Ben, I even think Ben is above seunghee and kei.

Ben regressed majorly, did you even hear her recently ?? She lost most of the strength she once had.

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39 minutes ago, ZRH23 said:

Just to drop another bomb for discussion here lmao. I was just going through that vocal ranking video and realised that one person is ranked a bit too low for how she sounded. 

@2:15, there's some obvious difference compared to the ones before and after her lol. 

So I listened a bit more and she's not bad tbh. I do apologise if anyone has shown me the videos before and I either didn't see it or thought differently. 

@2:05, yeah, this isn't just some shallow singing, it's mostly clean support in this area. 

A whole video in which I haven't heard fully yet and I'm just skipping through. She's got pitch issues like in this clip @0:20, that may be to some airflow problem or she just fumbled through on the pitch sometimes, i haven't heard enough yet. @10:47, she's still singing cleanly on random radio acapellas. There's a tiny bit of shallowness, as in her voice kinda drops a bit of support on the ends of some phrases and goes a bit soft the higher she goes, but this mostly has acceptable support ngl. It might be better if she went a bit bolder.

So far through these clips where she's singing in her midrange, I haven't heard much issues tbh. i might listen more but it's enough for me to know  Yves is (at least) closer to Average than most of the 4th Gen W to A I've heard so far.  

 

 

Intrenesting !

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11 hours ago, BAZISSINO said:

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMNf4AG5F/?k=1

 

 

Is she A-AA ?

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Solar's musical performance

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20 minutes ago, Messica said:

wouldnt even put lily in AA yet

Why? 

She obv is consistent in the 5th octave, and she has decent hv too...you find Hwasa (one of the lowest AAs by the blog) better ?

Edited July 25, 2022 by Tsabar

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1 hour ago, RATY said:

13 hours ago, galhadineas said:

chuu's mom kinda slayed

nice support from Bb3 up to C5 , good head voice

 

 

 

they sang together 

this is one of chuu's best perfomance in terms of consistent support, she supports up to A4 here but above that her mom overpowers her

 

0.59 support ? I don't think so. I really didn't hear anything good in this clip.

She was tight on some A4s in the duet with Chuu...

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You all should check the recent Immortal Songs episode, Minhye, Boram, Ailee, Sunye, Lim Jeonhee and Bada competing against each other, quite exciting !

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1 hour ago, galhadineas said:

lol the difference in quality between the C5 and the C#5, it almost sounded like two different people singing

the C5 was really nice but the C#5 she dropped support, her larynx raised and that vibrato in the beginning of the note was also really weird 

I wouldn't say the C#5 was completely unsupported, it was just messier and less strong, in my opinion atleast. She phrased C#5-D5 fine after it anyway.

Edited September 17, 2022 by Tsabar

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4 hours ago, fire_dagwon said:

Ko Woo Rim is definitely more debatable

More debatable as in you think he is a tenor ?? He is a lot safer than some other names you wrote there.

Edit: I see that some ppl think differently but I remember he was agreed as a baritone not long ago here in the thread.

Edited September 18, 2022 by Tsabar

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1 minute ago, fire_dagwon said:

No no more debatable as in he's more likely to be a baritone than tenor.

Although I'm like 99% sure he's not a bass which is his official position in Forestella.

Yeah definitely not a bass

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3 hours ago, ZRH23 said:

I haven’t even heard him sing above Eb4s

1:36 E4

https://youtu.be/qOmgbIADt4E

1:26 F4

 

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1 hour ago, C.Y. said:

Like if oatmeal was a sound, compared to Igor sounding like a whole ass cannon. Not to mention, the other masked guy he's singing with is also a tenor and notice how his partner comes in at 1:50 with G4s sounding bright like a tenor, then all of a sudden at 2:22 sings the same lower notes as Woorim with the same artificially thick sound. They are almost identical with Woorim being a slight bit heavier, both tenors with the only difference being Woorim can't even sing up to A4 the way his tenor duet partner can @ 2:44. Either way it's 2 guys 1 mic, mushy.

 

Thanks for the correction ! I appreciate the fact you took your time and wrote that, love the essays 

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1 hour ago, rere9991 said:

since her development is that of AA

Never heard Ningning deliver belts and mid range that are on the same level as even Boram who is one of/the lowest AA, even when Boram go light I personally think there is a clear difference in fullness.

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27 minutes ago, rere9991 said:

After School Reina? Yuju was more developed? Wasn’t she AA-P and Yuju prime high AA or am I mistaken?

Prime Yuju was AA-P