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The best vocal performance K-Pop has ever seen.

 

 

 

#cantnobodystopus

 

Not to pick on Bom (then again, why not?) but sometimes I see some of her slightly more realistic if uninformed fans despondently say that "her voice used to be good, but then when she was in 2ne1 they made her sing in a higher range and it doesn't suit her and it's all ruined now" etc.  (Yes, in the range of Bom stans this qualifies as "realistic".)  Now I know that she was never actually good, but is there anything high about the range she sings in for 2ne1 songs?  I just listened to the beginning of that video (the song that comes before Fire) and I picked a random note she seemed to be straining on and it seemed to be like a G4.  So what is the 1-1.5 octave that most sopranos should just be able to sing?  I feel like this is something that should vary depending on the individual, but I've also seen ppl here make statements along the lines of "Chest/mix/head voice for women stops/starts at (insert 2-3 notes here)" so maybe the comfortable range shouldn't vary too much.

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There is a comment on how Opera singers aren't better then R&B singers.

 

Just to clarify. I'd recommend not comparing those two different forms of singing and music to each other.

 

They are like apples and oranges.

 

Question tho, when we classify non Opera/Classical singers with Opera/Classical terms.....aren't we stepping in wrong places? LOL  It's like saying an apple is citrusy....

 

 

Ah the list again. Are you planning to do for real for real this time? Also it seems you've been showing interest in male singers a lot more. LOL (you forgot N-Train's Sangwoo)

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shouldn't you just include every main vocalist from every male idol group? As bad as they might be like Teen Top, all vocalists in EXO... B2ST, MBLAQ, Super Junior, Big Bang, DBSK, ...I can't remember male groups rn sorry..~ Oh there's ZE:A, Fly To The Sky I suppose lol 

Since K.will is inside already, why not LED Apple, Lunafly, 2Bic, Roy Kim and K4 superstar friends, Wheesung, 4men. Oh and Shinhwa and SG Wannabe?? XD

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....You are never home.

Anyway, I have something to show you

show me! <3

 

Since K.will is inside already, why not LED Apple, Lunafly, 2Bic, Roy Kim and K4 superstar friends, Wheesung, 4men. Oh and Shinhwa and SG Wannabe?? XD

I agree with Wheesung in a way since K.Will is there, I feel like Jung Yong Hwa and Lee Hongki shud as well, Lunafly...2bic I'm not sure and Roy kim neither...but since K.Will and Wheesung are, then why not? 

 

Not to pick on Bom (then again, why not?) but sometimes I see some of her slightly more realistic if uninformed fans despondently say that "her voice used to be good, but then when she was in 2ne1 they made her sing in a higher range and it doesn't suit her and it's all ruined now" etc.  (Yes, in the range of Bom stans this qualifies as "realistic".)  Now I know that she was never actually good, but is there anything high about the range she sings in for 2ne1 songs?  I just listened to the beginning of that video (the song that comes before Fire) and I picked a random note she seemed to be straining on and it seemed to be like a G4.  So what is the 1-1.5 octave that most sopranos should just be able to sing?  I feel like this is something that should vary depending on the individual, but I've also seen ppl here make statements along the lines of "Chest/mix/head voice for women stops/starts at (insert 2-3 notes here)" so maybe the comfortable range shouldn't vary too much.

2NE1 songs are not high. They barely go up to high notes, Go Away has high notes, but if you watch her vocal range, most are not even 2NE1 songs lol 

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@Ahmin, yeah, I didn't think so. XD But what should be the standard comfortable range?

@Josias

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_South_Korean_idol_groups_(1990s)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_South_Korean_idol_groups_(2000s)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_South_Korean_idol_groups_(2010s)

<is helpful!!> :hurr:

On the basis of not having disbanded and having an english wiki page (ie. leaning towards being relevant to i-fans interests), the long list would probably be:
Shinhwa
1TYM
Fly to the Sky
MC the Max
5tion
Leessang
Brown Eye Soul
TVXQ+JYJ
Buzz
Trax
Vanilla Unity
SS501
Super Junior
Big Bang
FT Island
Shinee
2AM
2PM
DNT
UKISS
MBLAQ
Beast
CN Blue
One Way
DMTN
LED Apple
Teen Top
Infinite
F.Cuz
ZE:A
S.M. The Ballad - Jino
10cm
Block B
B1A4
Boyfriend
N-Train
MIB
MyName
AA
CHAOS
B.A.P
NU'EST
BTOB
EXO
JJ Project
VIXX
A-JAX
C-Clown
Phantom
Lunafly
100%
History
Lu:Kus / X-5

These promote mainly in Chinese/Japanese:

M4M
Cross Gene
A-Peace/Double B
The Boss
Supernova
SM*SH
SHU-I



Too nugu to have a page or a hiphop/rap group that I may have wrongly assumed has no real singers:

Pure
Topp Dogg
Main
Iconize
Never Mind
EgoBomb
Airplane
Brit
Alphabat
Jackpot
Mr. Slam
A-PRINCE
EXCITE
Wonder Boyz
Attack
Toxic
A.Cian
Mr.Mr.
Offroad
24K
BOB4
K-Boys
E7
Tasty
BigStar
FIX
7942
2BiC
M Signal
BoyZ
M.Peror
N:SONIC
SLIM
Twilight
Kino
T-Blue
Electroboyz
Able
Touch
December
Tritops
VOS
Soul Star
Monday Kiz
Norazo
Code-V
Untouchable
Mighty Mouth
SG Wannabe
Epik High
Dynamic Duo
Jinusean
Supreme Team



(I took some liberties with those on the first 2 lists, because I think m4m are relevant to some ppl's interests, etc.)

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I actually have two things to show you now.

show me <3

 

@Ahmin, yeah, I didn't think so. XD  But what should be the standard comfortable range?

 

@Josias

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_South_Korean_idol_groups_(1990s)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_South_Korean_idol_groups_(2000s)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_South_Korean_idol_groups_(2010s)

 

<is helpful!!>  :hurr: 

 

On the basis of not having disbanded and having an english wiki page (ie. leaning towards being relevant to i-fans interests), the long list would probably be:

Shinhwa

1TYM

Fly to the Sky

MC the Max

5tion

Leessang

Brown Eye Soul

TVXQ+JYJ

Buzz

Trax

Vanilla Unity

SS501

Super Junior

Big Bang

FT Island

Shinee

2AM

2PM

DNT

UKISS

MBLAQ

Beast

CN Blue

One Way

DMTBN

LED Apple

Teen Top

Infinite

F.Cuz

ZE:A

S.M. The Ballad - Jino

10cm

Block B

B1A4

Boyfriend

N-Train

MIB

MyName

AA

CHAOS

B.A.P

NU'EST

BTOB

EXO

JJ Project

VIXX

A-JAX

C-Clown

Phantom

Lunafly

100%

History

Lu:Kus / X-5

 

These promote mainly in Chinese/Japanese:

M4M

Cross Gene

A-Peace/Double B

The Boss

Supernova

SM*SH

SHU-I

 

Too nugu to have a page or a hiphop/rap group that I may have wrongly assumed has no real singers:

Pure

Topp Dogg

Main

Iconize

Never Mind

EgoBomb

Airplane

Brit

Alphabat

Jackpot

Mr. Slam

A-PRINCE

EXCITE

Wonder Boyz

Attack

Toxic

A.Cian

Mr.Mr.

Offroad

24K

BOB4

K-Boys

E7

Tasty

BigStar

FIX

7942

2BiC

M Signal

BoyZ

M.Peror

N:SONIC

SLIM

Twilight

Kino

T-Blue

Electroboyz

Able

Touch

December

Tritops

VOS

Soul Star

Monday Kiz

Norazo

Code-V

Untouchable

Mighty Mouth

SG Wannabe

Epik High

Dynamic Duo

Jinusean

Supreme Team

 

u did my job without even trying, LOL I was gonna do it the hard way, good job qurl <3

and the standard comfortable range for a high voiced girl like a soprano... Idunno like for a mezzo...well tbh. With good technique comfortable shud be anything..LOL Jk but really G4 isn't really a challenge for a soprano, if you have a mix

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show me <3

 

 

u did my job without even trying, LOL I was gonna do it the hard way, good job qurl <3

and the standard comfortable range for a high voiced girl like a soprano... Idunno like for a mezzo...well tbh. With good technique comfortable shud be anything..LOL Jk but really G4 isn't really a challenge for a soprano, if you have a mix

 

Well, I guess at this point we need to break it down to a slightly shorter list, at least. ^^;;;

 

That is not v helpful. :p  So even though the breaks in ppl's voices are somewhat standard, their comfortable ranges are not?

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show me <3

 

 

u did my job without even trying, LOL I was gonna do it the hard way, good job qurl <3

and the standard comfortable range for a high voiced girl like a soprano... Idunno like for a mezzo...well tbh. With good technique comfortable shud be anything..LOL Jk but really G4 isn't really a challenge for a soprano, if you have a mix

 

A B C D E F G H I J K K cont. L M N N cont. O P R S T W Y Z

The soloists. Though you'll probably only pick out a few.

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@elolery

 

Good job, but you didn't isolate the vocal lines?

I filtered out the idol groups, the less popular and the legends hehe

 

 

 

 

 

Not mentioned in the list (as far as I can recall): Roy Kim, Hong Dae Kwang, Jung Joon Young, Yoo Seung Woo, Kim Tae Woo, Urban Zakapa's male vocalists

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I filtered out the idol groups and less popular people hehe

 

No, i mean before you seemed to have all group members listed, including rappers like Zelo.  They're pretty much only going to look at main/lead vocals, so....

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No, i mean before you seemed to have all group members listed, including rappers like Zelo.  They're pretty much only going to look at main/lead vocals, so....

Lol I'm sure your list of groups was good enough and they can pick out the main themselves? lol. I'm only providing the soloist and oops Alex Chu is Clazziquai's.

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Well, I guess at this point we need to break it down to a slightly shorter list, at least. ^^;;;

 

That is not v helpful. :p  So even though the breaks in ppl's voices are somewhat standard, their comfortable ranges are not?

No ...well breaks are usually different, in italian is called passagio, and it happens in different areas depending on voice type, I'm not quite sure what it is for other voice types, but for a soprano.... think about it this way, everyone has a break and it goes by voice type lol but if you're not well trained then it doesn't matter. So many Sopranos can't sing simple C5s which shud be a piece of cake considering an amazing soprano can hit C6 in mix, you know what I mean? It doesn't matter where your break is if you suck. LOL basically.

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No ...well breaks are usually different, in italian is called passagio, and it happens in different areas depending on voice type, I'm not quite sure what it is for other voice types, but for a soprano.... think about it this way, everyone has a break and it goes by voice type lol but if you're not well trained then it doesn't matter. So many Sopranos can't sing simple C5s which shud be a piece of cake considering an amazing soprano can hit C6 in mix, you know what I mean? It doesn't matter where your break is if you suck. LOL basically.

lol

Anyway..REPLY TO MY CLIPS THE ANXIETY IS KILLING ME

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Lol I'm sure your list of groups was good enough and they can pick out the main themselves? lol. I'm only providing the soloist and oops Alex Chu is Clazziquai's.

 

Between the two of us I guess they'll figure it out, yeah. XD  Well, leave him in because I left out the mixed groups from my group list (couldn't be bothered). ^^;;;

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The list is missing Jk Kim Dongwook  and Kang Taewoo (Soulman), also 40, Deez, Im Sejun.....quite a few good ones lol
 

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Too nugu to have a page or a hiphop/rap group that I may have wrongly assumed has no real singers:

Pure
Topp Dogg
Main
Iconize
Never Mind
EgoBomb
Airplane
Brit
Alphabat
Jackpot
Mr. Slam
A-PRINCE
EXCITE
Wonder Boyz
Attack
Toxic
A.Cian
Mr.Mr.
Offroad
24K
BOB4
K-Boys
E7
Tasty
BigStar
FIX
7942
2BiC
M Signal
BoyZ
M.Peror
N:SONIC
SLIM
Twilight
Kino
T-Blue
Electroboyz
Able
Touch
December
Tritops
VOS
Soul Star
Monday Kiz
Norazo
Code-V
Untouchable
Mighty Mouth
SG Wannabe
Epik High
Dynamic Duo
Jinusean
Supreme Team



(I took some liberties with those on the first 2 lists, because I think m4m are relevant to some ppl's interests, etc.)

 

December isn't nugu at all! lol Neither is Monday Kiz....and T-Blue...has disbanded. /pours a 40 for this group cuz they could sing

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Question tho, when we classify non Opera/Classical singers with Opera/Classical terms.....aren't we stepping in wrong places? LOL  It's like saying an apple is citrusy....

 

 

Ah the list again. Are you planning to do for real for real this time? Also it seems you've been showing interest in male singers a lot more. LOL (you forgot N-Train's Sangwoo)

Yes and No. 

It's more of an estimated guess.

The better the singer though the closer the precision to what they may be classified as really is.

 

So it's easier for singers like Mariah and Whitney to be classified and much harder for the likes of Bom and Christina to be classified.

 

While opera does use 10x the breath support and of course there are going to be clear differences in the voice as compared to some of these pop singers there are some things that are dead giveaways.

Color,Weight,Column of sound, speed/flexability.

 

Of course nothing is set in stone with this. We can still get a pretty close idea.

 

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By the way alot of names you guys gave me are so irrelevant to kpop. Even Brown eyed Soul is more relevant then some of these people lol!

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Yes and No. 

It's more of an estimated guess.

The better the singer though the closer the precision to what they may be classified as really is.

 

So it's easier for singers like Mariah and Whitney to be classified and much harder for the likes of Bom and Christina to be classified.

 

While opera does use 10x the breath support and of course there are going to be clear differences in the voice as compared to some of these pop singers there are some things that are dead giveaways.

Color,Weight,Column of sound, speed/flexability.

 

Of course nothing is set in stone with this. We can still get a pretty close idea.

 

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By the way alot of names you guys gave me are so irrelevant to kpop. Even Brown eyed Soul is more relevant then some of these people lol!

 

Cool, makes sense. 

 

 

AYE! They may be irrelevant, but they're there. LOL Look at Sangwoo....N-Train is so nugu but he sings better than a lot of them tbh.

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Yes and No. 

It's more of an estimated guess.

The better the singer though the closer the precision to what they may be classified as really is.

 

So it's easier for singers like Mariah and Whitney to be classified and much harder for the likes of Bom and Christina to be classified.

 

While opera does use 10x the breath support and of course there are going to be clear differences in the voice as compared to some of these pop singers there are some things that are dead giveaways.

Color,Weight,Column of sound, speed/flexability.

 

Of course nothing is set in stone with this. We can still get a pretty close idea.

 

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By the way alot of names you guys gave me are so irrelevant to kpop. Even Brown eyed Soul is more relevant then some of these people lol!

Eh. You used Hello Venus in ur female chart and left out G.NA and The Grace, who I think are SO much more relevant since people actually know who they are...so yeah.

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