VT Evil Queen 4,273 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 (edited) Jieun really surprised me here. How was her vocals? And yes, Seohyun and Jessica both have their strengths and weaknesses. But it seems like some of Jessica's "improvements" are more flukes than actual improvement. Being open throat is not a fluke,having a risen soft palate is not a fluke,less tension on higher notes is not really a fluke,having less tense, better placed,more supported C5s and B4s are not flukes < those all take you actually trying and skill. A fluke would be achieving head voice once then using weak and airy falsettos afterwards or resonating once then being mediocre afterwards. Edited July 12, 2013 by JiYul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messica 5,468 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 (edited) When has Seohyun ever put out a stable larynx Eb5 i thought her jack Eb5 was healthier than usual. I didnt say it was necessarily healthy (im not sure by the professional standards, i think it was one of her best) , Ive just never heard jessica pull a healthy Eb5 (i probably just havent seen it yet) Sica vs Seo again? Sigh... seo is fine, I just want clarifications, i want to know why, because my subjectivity is playing with my objectivity rn. Im here to learn chung. Im here to accept anything since you guys are the experts (but still following your advice by not listening to you know who). Edited July 12, 2013 by Bringthesnacksout 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VT Evil Queen 4,273 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 i thought her jack Eb5 was healthier than usual. I didnt say it was healthy, Ive just never heard jessica pull a healthy Eb5 (i probably just havent seen it yet) Last time Jessica had an Eb5 as far as I know of was in Oppa Nappa and they aren't preforming that song anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
____shawnee 4,118 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Being open throat is not a fluke,having a risen soft palate is not a fluke,less tension on higher notes is not really a fluke,having less tense, better placed,more supported C5s and B4s are not flukes < those all take you actually trying and skill. A fluke would be achieving head voice once then using weak and airy falsettos afterwards or resonating once then being mediocre afterwards. So she's consistent with it then? I always thought it was shallow things like the last statement. ofc i cant hear those things so naturally i'd make an ignorant judgement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chungie 1,215 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 (edited) i thought her jack Eb5 was healthier than usual. I didnt say it was necessarily healthy (im not sure by the professional standards, i think it was one of her best) , Ive just never heard jessica pull a healthy Eb5 (i probably just havent seen it yet) seo is fine, I just want clarifications, i want to know why, because my subjectivity is playing with my objectivity rn. Im here to learn chung. Im here to accept anything since you guys are the experts (but still following your advice by not listening to you know who). Her Eb5s in Jack were tense. Sica has not done a healthy Eb5. Same with Seo. The only Eb5s by Sica are Oppa Nappa, and Day by Day I think. Well this Seo vs Sica topic has been done so many times. It's kinda drag to see it again lol Sica>Seo atm because she has had more fuller moments than Seo. Though both are pretty much on par except for here and there. So she's consistent with it then? I always thought it was shallow things like the last statement. ofc i cant hear those things so naturally i'd make an ignorant judgement She's not consistent. That's why those are called her "moments". Edited July 12, 2013 by Shinagawa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VT Evil Queen 4,273 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 (edited) So she's consistent with it then? I always thought it was shallow things like the last statement. ofc i cant hear those things so naturally i'd make an ignorant judgement Well, her overall nasality has been reduced..but she doesn't raise her palate all the time, BUT she does try. Watch her face, she desperately tries to raise her soft palate while singing but ultimately fails lol. She has been producing better C5s and B4s, her B4s in her recent OST if I recall correctly are fuller than her B4s in Heaven, and the D5 is TaeYeon tense..which is A LOT less tense than Jessica tense D5...list to Honey lol. Edited July 12, 2013 by JiYul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
____shawnee 4,118 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Well, her overall nasality has been reduced..but she doesn't raise her palate all the time, BUT she does try. Watch her face, she desperately tries to raise her soft palate while singing but ultimately fails lol. She has been producing better C5s and B4s, her B4s in her recent OST if I recall correctly are fuller than her B4s in Heaven, and the D5 is TaeYeon tense..which is A LOT less tense than Jessica tense D5...list to Honey lol. Ohh okay I see now. The tense thing, thats when your larynx raises right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adaemone 17 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 (edited) Can someone post examples of open throat, resonance, and the ring? (or was the ring the same as resonance...) I wanna compare. Edited July 12, 2013 by xXxDarkAngelxXx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VT Evil Queen 4,273 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Ohh okay I see now. The tense thing, thats when your larynx raises right? Yes. Can someone post examples of open throat, resonance, and the ring? (or was the ring the same as resonance...) I wanna compare. Open-Throat @ 3:10 @0:25 Resonance @2:12 Ring http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeuoE6aQFAw The Ring is just a more focused version of Resonance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messica 5,468 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Her Eb5s in Jack were tense. Sica has not done a healthy Eb5. Same with Seo. The only Eb5s by Sica are Oppa Nappa, and Day by Day I think. Well this Seo vs Sica topic has been done so many times. It's kinda drag to see it again lol Sica>Seo atm because she has had more fuller moments than Seo. Though both are pretty much on par except for here and there. She's not consistent. That's why those are called her "moments". im done. I think I have a better idea know. its just that before I wasnt satisfied with fuller moments, because I wasnt sure what that meant. But I know now. Thanks heaps chung Well, her overall nasality has been reduced..but she doesn't raise her palate all the time, BUT she does try. Watch her face, she desperately tries to raise her soft palate while singing but ultimately fails lol. She has been producing better C5s and B4s, her B4s in her recent OST if I recall correctly are fuller than her B4s in Heaven, and the D5 is TaeYeon tense..which is A LOT less tense than Jessica tense D5...list to Honey lol. you mean taeyeon was tensed there too?If not, by taeyeon tensed, do you mean baby steps live tensed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#risejessica 642 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 (edited) you mean taeyeon was tensed there too?If not, by taeyeon tensed, do you mean baby steps live tensed? I haven't listened to the particular OST, but Taeyeon was pulling F5s in Baby Steps and nothing can be as tense as those were lol. They were so cringe-worthy to watch Can I get detailed info on how Jessica has improved lol. #jessicastan Edited July 12, 2013 by cumslurper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chungie 1,215 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 im done. I think I have a better idea know. its just that before I wasnt satisfied with fuller moments, because I wasnt sure what that meant. But I know now. Thanks heaps chung you mean taeyeon was tensed there too?If not, by taeyeon tensed, do you mean baby steps live tensed? NP. She means it's as tensed as Taeyeon which is a bit less tensed than Jessica LOL Taeyeon tensed D5... like in The Boys or Mistake. Baby Steps' E5s/F#5s are just bad. I haven't listened to the particular OST, but Taeyeon was pulling F5s in Baby Steps and nothing can be as tense as those were lol. They were so cringe-worthy to watch Can I get detailed info on how Jessica has improved lol. #jessicastan There's no F5 in Baby Steps lol F5 would be offkey. It's F#5. Jessica has done a few okay notes in their tour recently. Like alright C5 in AMLIFY, C#5 in RDR etc. And even a decent B4 I think somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Am Youngjae 1,491 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Can you guys explain to me AS vocals? tell what are their mistakes, flaws etc. plz dont ignore thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messica 5,468 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 NP. She means it's as tensed as Taeyeon which is a bit less tensed than Jessica LOL Taeyeon tensed D5... like in The Boys or Mistake. Baby Steps' E5s/F#5s are just bad. There's no F5 in Baby Steps lol F5 would be offkey. It's F#5. Jessica has done a few okay notes in their tour recently. Like alright C5 in AMLIFY, C#5 in RDR etc. And even a decent B4 I think somewhere. one last thing to clock. Jiyul said that SEO would than jessica be better when she achieves open throat. Wouldn't we have to first test consistency, because Jessica has done open throat twice but SEO still hasn't. Is that the here and there you were talking about?so where does SEO do better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onehallyu#1NiceOppaKW 27,191 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Can you guys explain to me AS vocals? tell what are their mistakes, flaws etc. plz dont ignore thank you Get really for full bashing. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chungie 1,215 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 one last thing to clock. Jiyul said that SEO would than jessica be better when she achieves open throat. Wouldn't we have to first test consistency, because Jessica has done open throat twice but SEO still hasn't. Is that the here and there you were talking about?so where does SEO do better. Here and there are moments, like Seo's okay C#5 from one perf of RDR frm the tour or Jessica's C5 from AMLIFY etc. Though from my knowledge Sica has done more okay C5s (How Great is Your Love live, Dear Mom frm Coway concert, AMLIFY, etc.). Can you guys explain to me AS vocals? tell what are their mistakes, flaws etc. plz dont ignore thank you I only am familiar with Raina. She's quite mediocre. Strains a lot, and most of her belts are done with a raised larynx (like the ones in First Love perfs). Jung-ah seems to sing in her comfort most of the time therefore she doesn't strain nor screech as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOMINATION 457 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 I love soloist artist that can bring their vocal warm and carry emotion in every song. How you guys think about gummy vocal ability ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VISION 1,514 Posted July 12, 2013 Author Share Posted July 12, 2013 (edited) Seriously, are we even sure that those Bb4s were open-throated? Not to me. I listened to it again and they were no overtones. Seohyun has been more consistent during their Japanese Tour where I recall she has done more OK C#5s than Jessica. It's safe to say they're still even now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG2OxVq3obU Example: Compare 2:02 vs 2:55. One's C#5 was clearly less tense than the other. It was like that in other concert dates too. Edited July 12, 2013 by ζηχ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanallena 3,659 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 How is ock joo hyun as a vocalist in comparison to Ailee or even Sohyang? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chungie 1,215 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 I love soloist artist that can bring their vocal warm and carry emotion in every song. How you guys think about gummy vocal ability ? Gummy is decent-good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VISION 1,514 Posted July 12, 2013 Author Share Posted July 12, 2013 can someone link me to the recent tense D5 of taeyeon that you guys were talking about please, thanks For instance, 4:05 and onwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elolery 7,286 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 How does singer "The One" compare with Park Hyo Shin or Naul? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akisame 3,880 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 *Ignores everything to do with Jessica VS Seohyun* Who is the most experienced at this? I'm thinking Ahmin cause you guys seem to ask him whenever you are not sure about someone xD. Josias >>>>>>> Errybody else Skip to 3:05 Does that sound like Falsetto to you ? That's definitely head voice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJk9Jd3enI4 YAAAAAAAAS. It's out. -- Stop lying. I never said that. AMAZING SHE'S SLAYING EVERYTHING IT'S JUST SO GOOD LIKE WHY? WHY IS SHE SO PERFECT? Her dancing is awful though, so stiff lool. How is ock joo hyun as a vocalist in comparison to Ailee or even Sohyang? Sohyang > Ock Joo Hyun > Ailee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onehallyu#1NiceOppaKW 27,191 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 *** report Ailee got all kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rinamy 1,442 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 What would you guys look for/what questions asked when looking for a vocal coach? I'm not interested in singing professionally or anything, just want to improve my high range and not sound so bad after A4 / be able to hit notes higher than C#5 consistently/properly if possible, learn how to breathe and use mixed voice / head voice better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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