Messica 5,468 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 How high are you going? Were you using falsetto? I think they meant that thing we were talking about in our last lesson like when i hit a C7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messica 5,468 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 None of them are above average, from what I know. When you hit puberty you get a voice type. Kids are trebles, then they become tenors, sopranos, baritones, etc. some factors can come into play as you age for you to change voice type but it's not that common, it is not like Pokémon And its not like once you get a moonstone you keep your treble voice and become a counter tenor or a dragon stone that can make you from baritone to tenor. Plus we dont get to know what type we are born with and I dont think habits affect what voice type youll get. This ain't no RPG where we get to pick a class. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messica 5,468 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) jenny's singing reminds me of mine. pushy but has some connection. Edited June 25, 2017 by Messica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messica 5,468 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 What do you mean by "connection" like support?yes like as if she is trying to support. She sounds like she is trying, thats me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messica 5,468 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) Can I have your overall thoughts/analysis of this performance guys? It's Ha Sungwoon, Wanna One's other main vocalist. This performance dates back to 2015. I shouldnt be answering but these are my two cents since i havent been here in a long long time. He has nice placement and support here. He's fine up to F#4. 0:43 to 0:52 C3 had some support, D4,E4s supported same as from 1:20 but the C3s arent bad. 1:47 E4 resonant. 2:00 nice mask placement on that E4. 2:03 to 2:07 those G4s had good placement but was pushed. 3:27 G4 'gok' is a little tight, after that is G4-F4-E4-G4 up to 3:30 which all had support including that G4 but it might be a little pushed, other than that it wasnt bad. Good placement altogether. 3:44-4:48 G4s were okay I think. F4 at 3:49 nice support and placement but that vibrato was wobbly. 3:54 D4 has small resonance in there I see you. 3:58-4:01 some resonance in that D4 too yass. 4:03 F4 supported. Sounds above average to me. He seems to be singing within his supported range, not going out of it. He might be able to do G#4s nicely if there was a video but with this performance he is above average to me if not above average-average. His pitch seems fine, but he tends to pull too much chest at times. Edited June 29, 2017 by Messica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messica 5,468 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Oh, he is in Produce 101? I see... I'm having more doubts about his lower range now but it's not bad. So, he's a tenor with a really chesty mix? That makes sense. Everything above D4 seems quite pushed. Except when he mixes more softly. well even if he is a baritone, resonating D4s sounds like an above average thing to do if not A-AA thing to do. here is more i guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messica 5,468 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) dp Edited June 29, 2017 by Messica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messica 5,468 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 What do you mean you shouldn't be answering? Hm, is this guy even a tenor? If so, either his voice is naturally heavy or he's being quite chesty. I'm using your time stamps... C3s do seem nice, it's quite heavy. 0.58, that softly mixed Eb/E is nice. 1.20 again, the C3s seem okay. I'm not sure if he's lowering his larynx tho. He is being a little airy, a little raspy. Maybe stylistically. 1.47 even E4 seems high for him already, is he a tenor? It seems pushed. G4s seem pushed too. Maybe his chestiness is throwing me off. 3.27 it seems tight and pushed, again. Throughout the lines there he doesn't sound relaxed, it sounds pushed. 3.44 until 4.48. Mhm, the G4s don't seem nice for me. The F4, I'm not sure. Still hearing a fair amount of chestiness and pushiness. D4s are much better. I don't really hear resonance though. I haven't a tenor be resonant on a D4 before, and it's taking him effort there already. 4.03 was better too. Then there's a falsetto. I'm not good at this and I'm just trying out, but he seems like a lower placed voice lol. If he's not a baritone, then he's a very chesty tenor. because i used to answer video questions even though i wasnt trained and i got so much of them wrong and so its generally not a good idea. Im not a credible source to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messica 5,468 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) Hm, his approach is much different here. His placement is...nasal. He is supporting, I wouldn't call it strong, it's in his nose most of the time, 0.32, the F4 was better, it sounded relaxed and opened but then it started going nasal again. At least that's what it sounds like to me. 0.53, pushed. He's not bad. He was supporting and he was relaxed. Not as chesty as the one earlier. But I don't think he's anything more than average. Oh I see. I feel like his placement was non nasal on the 2015 video but yes i do hear nasality here. Edited June 29, 2017 by Messica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messica 5,468 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Hey, hey, no need to be rude. We are all here to learn. Unfortunately, I can't stop and give it a listen to confirm or deny, but really no need to be rude. thanks K but i didnt really see it as rude. B kept it politely short for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messica 5,468 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Hey, hey, no need to be rude. We are all here to learn. Unfortunately, I can't stop and give it a listen to confirm or deny, but really no need to be rude. so does he support or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messica 5,468 Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 Yes he does support, just wasn't resonating D4s in those clips and the G4s weren't supported thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messica 5,468 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 (edited) Did Jessica support the C#5 at 14:00? Her larynx sounds neutral here and it sounds more relaxed than her usual live C#5s in FLY, but she did get tense when she tried to force a vibrato? EDIT: Oh and did she support the C5 at 7:03? Did Jessica resonate the A4-G4 at 2:49? Edited July 2, 2017 by Messica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messica 5,468 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Jaehwan is probably around Average ye, wait until there is more to judge him on for consistency but he'd probably BE A or A to AA i cant believe im better than sungwoon.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messica 5,468 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 C#5 sounds like the usual, not supported too tense. There's a bit of a raise too. the C5 you timestamped isn't live. And the A4-G4 isn't resonant, resonance is pretty rare for her cuz she doesn't sing open enough most of the time It was opened tho. Somehow i hear chest resonance on those F4s and G4s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messica 5,468 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 who said you were better than him lol It was just a comment. I have inconsistent support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messica 5,468 Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 I feel you. One day E4's and even F4's become a piece of cake and I'm not vocal frying my ass out on the second octave but now I'm like bad. I feel like I've regressed rather than be inconsistent, which is sad since I love singing but I'm not as good as I was before.Im really weird like I cant consistently support but i can hit relaxed Eb4s at times. Keep in mind im a baritone. Im okay up to C4/C#4 tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messica 5,468 Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 what do you guys think of Hwang Chiyeol's G#4s in here ? @4:32 & 4:21 he's a baritone btw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yZj56rUIHs i want to say its throaty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messica 5,468 Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 isn't jessica sounding so nasal in this lol well she actually hits several non nasal notes here but her tone is generally nasal but its supported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messica 5,468 Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 isn't jessica sounding so nasal in this lol catch these non nasal supported C#5s at 2:00-2:20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm5e6gYHM-M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messica 5,468 Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) isn't jessica sounding so nasal in this lol Non nasal Bb4s 0:53-1:00 (Confirmed by K) C5 1:35 A4s 2:03, 2:20-2:28 C5 2:33 (Confirmed by Ahmin) 2:48 G4 Bb4s 2:55-3:04 (Confirmed by K) Catch these non nasal supported C#5s (confirmed by Ahmin) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm5e6gYHM-M 2:00-2:20 Also these C#5s sound like theyve got support in em https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWBcpek2CBU 1:00, 2:05, 2:52, 2:54. Also non nasal A4 2:39 Edited August 10, 2017 by Messica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messica 5,468 Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 so sad she doesn't belt the whole songdude im hoping she gets an upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messica 5,468 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 *sigh* The moment I saw the notification "Ahmin quoted your post" and it started with "Zeke, dear", I was like "Oh shit I f**cked up" XD sent from your mom. Yess omg same. I feel like im about to get whipped when he says that. I don't no why its so scary 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messica 5,468 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 XD IKR! Ahmin is like the typical Asian mom but...sassier. sent from your mom. Ahmin is literally my vocal mother so yeah it hits hard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messica 5,468 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 This is what I've been listening to lately and wonder what's the best way to define this sound? Is it just me or do Zion.T, Yeonjung, Joy all sound like this: It seems to be in classical music too. Jack Li Vigni calls it cry phonation or, unnecessarily translated to Italian, voce magra. He recorded some examples. He's seriously indoctrinated by this open throat idea, though. That shit dies hard. https://tenortalkblog.wordpress.com/tag/voce-magracry-phonation/ There's some of that pesky research stuff done by Cathrine Sadolin in order to rigorously define what this is and she names it "curbing." She claims it's Check the link below; it's mostly pictures, not reading. I picked out some relevant parts that correlate throat narrowing with creating high frequency sound. Anatomical photos are inside the spoiler!https://cvtresearch.com/papers-2/3954-2/ There's more sounds but I included "neutral" as the comparison because it's the light lyric kpop vocalist sound we're most familiar with. Is this practical or useful to know? Here's a quick experiment I did: Supported and producing resonance. and never produces resonance. It looks to me like it matches the info from that paper, so we can distinguish it ourselves for certain. Dunno how I feel about the naming scheme yet but at least neutral/curbing or cry phonation don't have biased connotations based upon indemonstrable pseudoscience. If you think about it from a natural selection POV, it makes sense the sound of a baby's cry would have extra energy in the 2-5 kHz range human hearing is most sensitive. How would babies strain if they're the model for vocal endurance? btw, I'm an amateur so don't take my guesses too seriously for these kpop vocalist examples. There's plenty more I assume use this, like Rosé or Lovelyz Jin. I only found western examples and made assumptions based on those. It's common in R&B or neo-soul. Here are some other things from my playlist... Never gets old! Mixed voice from the first guy? Joe Pesci's voice 0:46 - 1:03 with lower larynx? thats so crazy, i hear yeonjung Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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